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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:11:46 PM EDT
I probably spent more on ammo than I did on the barrel.
I shot three groups with different ammo. What do you think of the performance of a $50 barrel??  Anderson AR-15 Barrel Accuracy Review |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:24:51 PM EDT
[#1]
A quick video which is refreshing this day and age.
I'm not rich enough to buy bargain barrels, but always interesting to see how they perform. That said, the high rate of fire may not have done it justice. Seemed like shot dispersion opened up as the barrel heated, which is to be expected. |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the high rate of fire may not have done it justice. Seemed like shot dispersion opened up as the barrel heated, which is to be expected. Thanks for the reply Each group took about 5-10 minutes to shoot and the barrel was cooled with a chamber chiller between each group. Also, when I was at the range, I actually shot the 77gr group 1st, 69's second and 55's last. |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:34:24 PM EDT
[#3]
His accuracy testing is a bit dubious as he is rapid firing....
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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:40:26 PM EDT
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For $50, I'd say you got taken. It performs like a $30 barrel.
That being said, if you re-crowned it and fire lapped it it might improve things. Those railroad tracks are indicative of a barrel that was not lapped or honed following the reaming operation. That's not necessarily indicative of a bad barrel, since I have seen barrels like that perform admirably at 600 yards just like that. However it does show that they are putting out barrels that are competing at a lower end price point. |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the reply Each group took about 5-10 minutes to shoot and the barrel was cooled with a chamber chiller between each group. Also, when I was at the range, I actually shot the 77gr group 1st, 69's second and 55's last. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: the high rate of fire may not have done it justice. Seemed like shot dispersion opened up as the barrel heated, which is to be expected. Thanks for the reply Each group took about 5-10 minutes to shoot and the barrel was cooled with a chamber chiller between each group. Also, when I was at the range, I actually shot the 77gr group 1st, 69's second and 55's last. Well, then the barrel sucks ass. Which is to be expected from a bargain barrel. You might make a note in your vid that you sped up the shooting sequence. Seems like others thought the same thing I did. Kudos to you for not making this video 25 minutes long with 23 minutes of monologue...or god forbid the boxing/unboxing thing (what kind of idiot cares about that anyway?). |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:49:59 PM EDT
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Have not watched the video yet, I will in a few, just wanted to say welcome to arfcom OP, that's a pretty good first post, much better than some of the whack jobs i've seen join this year. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: 6/13/2024 12:56:30 PM EDT
[#7]
What type of ammo? Bulk pack? Match? Handloads?
Shit in = shit out! |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 1:16:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You might make a note in your vid that you sped up the shooting sequence. Seems like others thought the same thing I did. Quote HistoryQuoted: You might make a note in your vid that you sped up the shooting sequence. Seems like others thought the same thing I did. During the shooting sequence of this video, I put an asterisks on the lower right part of the screen and wrote "Edited for Brevity". I realize there is a lot of text on the screen during the shooting sequence, so, I'll find a better way to communicate this for the next video. Thanks for the feedback!! Quoted: Kudos to you for not making this video 25 minutes long with 23 minutes of monologue. Haha, yeah... I wanted to keep it short and to the point. I could have kept the shooting sequences unedited and avoid any confusion, but I really don't think anyone wants to watch 30 minutes of group shooting. Quoted: ..or god forbid the boxing/unboxing thing (what kind of idiot cares about that anyway?). Ditto!! I wanted to present some unique information. I personally don't have a lot of confidence in 5 round groups and like using a larger sample size to get a better representation of what a rifle is capable of on a repeated basis. |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 1:21:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:just wanted to say welcome to arfcom OP, that's a pretty good first post Quote HistoryQuoted:just wanted to say welcome to arfcom OP, that's a pretty good first post Thank you!! Quoted: What type of ammo? Bulk pack? Match? Handloads? Shit in = shit out! All ammo was handloaded on a dillon XL650 with a Mark 7 automation kit First group 55gr Hornady FMJs with CFE 223 Powder (my cheap plinking load) 2nd group was 69gr Sierra MatchKings on top of N140 with Lake City Brass 3rd group was 77gr Sierra MatchKings on N140 Powder and Norma Brass Ive had other barrels shoot these loads for much better in 30-shot groups... More videos to come. |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 1:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His accuracy testing is a bit dubious as he is rapid firing.... Each group took about 5-10 minutes to shoot. I edited it down so that it didn't put you sleep watching 30 minutes of group shooting. I'll make that more apparent in subsequent videos to avoid confusion. |
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Posted: 6/13/2024 4:03:18 PM EDT
[#11]
I like short, concise, and informative videos.
Keep it up. Keep your test protocols and ensure statistical significance. |
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Posted: 6/14/2024 11:00:29 AM EDT
[#12]
Great video, I'd say the $50 barrel.. produced $50 results.
I also appreciate your efforts. Thank You |
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Posted: 6/14/2024 1:34:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Good vid. The bore was cleaned before scoping or at least before shooting, correct?
I wonder if the throat will even out with wear. You might get a half decent group in the last 500 rounds before it keyholes.  |
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Posted: 6/14/2024 1:53:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good vid. The bore was cleaned before scoping or at least before shooting, correct? Quote HistoryQuoted: Good vid. The bore was cleaned before scoping or at least before shooting, correct? Thank you!! Yes, the bore was cleaned before it was borescoped & shot. Anderson doesn't post a break-in process, so I went straight to shooting groups with it after initial cleaning. Quoted:You might get a half decent group in the last 500 rounds before it keyholes. |
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Posted: 6/14/2024 1:54:45 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great video, I'd say the $50 barrel.. produced $50 results. I also appreciate your efforts. Thank You I'd be nice if it shot better, but I don't disagree with your statement.... If I paid the full $115 retail price, I might be signing a different tune. Thank you!! |
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Posted: 6/15/2024 6:00:15 PM EDT
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After you shoot 200 rounds through it, do the same test again with the same ammo and see how it does
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Posted: 6/15/2024 7:02:28 PM EDT
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I bought one of those Anderson complete uppers a few weeks ago that Primary Arms had on sale. With just a red dot sight at 50 yards it seemed to shoot pretty good.
This post makes me want to slap a scope on it and duplicate the OP's test. |
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Posted: 6/15/2024 8:41:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought one of those Anderson complete uppers a few weeks ago that Primary Arms had on sale. With just a red dot sight at 50 yards it seemed to shoot pretty good. This post makes me want to slap a scope on it and duplicate the OP's test. |
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Posted: 6/15/2024 8:54:37 PM EDT
[#19]
Thank you for not using 3 or 5 shot groups. 10 is good, 30 is superb.
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Posted: 6/15/2024 9:27:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Be funny if it is better than the BAs you've had. Ain't that the truth... |
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Posted: 6/15/2024 9:34:18 PM EDT
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Thanks new member for a youtube link. Hope you get the views and subs if that is what is hoped for. I recently bought a 54 dollar barrel from MidwayUSA but don't have a channel.
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Posted: 6/15/2024 10:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for not using 3 or 5 shot groups. 10 is good, 30 is superb. Larger sample sizes are good, but I prefer composites unless you’re just looking to see if a barrel walks at it warms up. 10rds with good trigger pulls and a clear sight picture is better data than 30rds with mirage, canting and shooter fatigue being introduced. If you’re using a mechanical testing platform, yeah, shoot a larger sample size. If you’re in a less controlled environment, 30samples per target might not be the way to go. Without knowing anything else, and no control group/shooter proficiency info, it appears that barrel is a rack grade bullet hose. Maybe BCA is turning those out? |
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Posted: 6/15/2024 11:02:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: I probably spent more on ammo than I did on the barrel. I shot three groups with different ammo. What do you think of the performance of a $50 barrel??  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-hh_vhcyNoA quick video done with a 30 round shot group. And his only accuracy video, so we don't know how good his groups can be with a different barrel. 10 3-round groups would have been better. Even 6 5-round groups. Shooter fatigue is a thing. I don't see how a mean radius of <1moa with match ammo is a disappointing result. If a $50 barrel did better perhaps competition barrels or a $300 Daniel Defense barrel wouldn't be as much of a value. I regularly get 2-4moa out of a factory $350 Anderson rifle using M193 ammo. Good enough for me. I get about the same accuracy out of a Daniel Defense factory rifle. I get 0.65 MOA out of a Ruger SFAR using a specific factory hunting load Superb video quality with edits and information presented. The competition videos are nice. |
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Posted: 6/15/2024 11:24:24 PM EDT
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Yikes
Thanks for the test data. I'll pass. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 12:13:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you!! Yes, the bore was cleaned before it was borescoped & shot. Anderson doesn't post a break-in process, so I went straight to shooting groups with it after initial cleaning. Haha Yeah, this barrel will probably be relegated to CQB distances at best. Nice video, Not much you can do to improve a nitrided barrel. I had an AR Stoner barrel that was producing 9 MOA ES with M193. I chopped & threaded to 12.5” and faced an 11-degree Target crown. Got it down to 3-4 MOA so worth keeping as a plinking suppressor host or for mag dumping blasting. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 12:53:51 AM EDT
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My experience has been the opposite. I have a 7.5" 300blk Anderson barrel that has been a laser beam. Purchased it shortly after Anderson brought their barrel production in house. Prior to the purchase, I had some questions about the barrel and their production. They had changed from 1/7 to 1/8 twist. Anderson was extremely helpful and responsive. If I had that poor grouping I would have asked Anderson to replace the barrel.
I feel I have gotten much more than my $50 worth. Of course both of these experiences (mine and the OP) are a sample of one. I am not going to endorse or condemn a company until there is a trend or pattern. YMMV. |
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Posted: 6/16/2024 9:08:57 PM EDT
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@HighpowerRifleBrony
@AccuracyArsenal Well I slapped a scope on my Anderson upper and hit the range. Wind was quartering at 5 mph +/- so not an issue. Storms were rolling in so I felt rushed but I will say 95% of the shots felt good. All shots were from the bench a minute or less apart. Time between groups was walking time to target and back... again, kind of rushed. The rifle... my barrel seems to have a grey finish.  First up but no photo was 55gr FMJ to zero and get on paper, I'd say it was around 4 MOA +. Not bad IMO. Second group was 69gr SMK's with 24.0grs Re15... Ten shots, just under 2".   Last group was 77gr SMK's with 23.5grs AA2520... Ten shots, just over 2" NOT counting the odd guy that did his own thing.   I was going to do more shooting but the rifle stopped functioning... a quick look over and I discovered the gas block had worked its way loose... so in less than 100 rounds the gas block worked loose. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 8:20:20 AM EDT
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I had a older anderson 16inch carbine barrel 1/8 twist that I had a few thousand rounds threw. Never expected precision accuracy but was able to get minute of fire extinguisher accuracy at 200 yards. Not bad for a 50 dollar barrel at the time. Sold it at some point with the upper to a friend who continues to use it as a garbage blaster.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 9:25:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Nevermind. Misread.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 11:33:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @HighpowerRifleBrony @AccuracyArsenal Well I slapped a scope on my Anderson upper and hit the range. Wind was quartering at 5 mph +/- so not an issue. Storms were rolling in so I felt rushed but I will say 95% of the shots felt good. All shots were from the bench a minute or less apart. Time between groups was walking time to target and back... again, kind of rushed. The rifle... my barrel seems to have a grey finish. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q70/922/BBMYiS.jpg First up but no photo was 55gr FMJ to zero and get on paper, I'd say it was around 4 MOA +. Not bad IMO. Second group was 69gr SMK's with 24.0grs Re15... Ten shots, just under 2". https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q70/923/aaQlH5.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q70/922/fL42PB.jpg Last group was 77gr SMK's with 23.5grs AA2520... Ten shots, just over 2" NOT counting the odd guy that did his own thing. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q70/923/3koe9E.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q70/924/otvSRe.jpg I was going to do more shooting but the rifle stopped functioning... a quick look over and I discovered the gas block had worked its way loose... so in less than 100 rounds the gas block worked loose. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 12:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Barrel-wise it looks like you got a better roll of the house-weighted dice. That might improve from not terrible to decent in 200 rounds. Yep, not bad IMO for what it is. I played the OP's video and stopped at about the 10-round mark and my barrel seemed to initially mirror his... if I had more time and the gas block didn't work loose, I'd have actually fired a 20-round group. Might go back and re-shoot later in the week just for the hell of it. |
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Posted: 6/17/2024 1:28:11 PM EDT
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I suuuuuuper appreciate a video that gets right into the meat of things. Thanks for posting. I just bought a bunch of Anderson lowers. They will not see Anderson bargain barrels.
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Posted: 6/17/2024 5:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After you shoot 200 rounds through it, do the same test again with the same ammo and see how it does Quote HistoryQuoted: After you shoot 200 rounds through it, do the same test again with the same ammo and see how it does Will do. Although, I'm not in too big of a hurry to shoot this barrel a whole bunch. Quoted: Thank you for not using 3 or 5 shot groups. 10 is good, 30 is superb. Yeah, I'm not a fan of 5-shot groups either. I think 30-shots gives me a really good idea about the capability of the system. Quoted: And his only accuracy video, so we don't know how good his groups can be with a different barrel. Superb video quality with edits and information presented. The competition videos are nice. I'll try to establish a bit more credibility in future posts. After posting, I realized people probably don't really have much confidence if the results are due to the shooter or due to the barrel, or something else. Thanks for the compliments!! Quoted: Well I slapped a scope on my Anderson upper and hit the range. First up but no photo was 55gr FMJ to zero and get on paper, I'd say it was around 4 MOA +. Not bad IMO. Second group was 69gr SMK's with 24.0grs Re15... Ten shots, just under 2". Last group was 77gr SMK's with 23.5grs AA2520... Ten shots, just over 2" NOT counting the odd guy that did his own thing. No too dissimilar results for 10-shot groups. Thanks for contributing!! Quoted: I suuuuuuper appreciate a video that gets right into the meat of things. Haha, yeah me too!! |
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Posted: 6/19/2024 5:48:33 PM EDT
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So you guys are complaining about a $50 barrel that can shoot 2 inch 10 round groups at 100 yards with ammo it likes?
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Posted: 6/19/2024 6:04:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you guys are complaining about a $50 barrel that can shoot 2 inch 10 round groups at 100 yards with ammo it likes? I don't see anyone complaining... it's nothing more than fun at the range, informal testing, and info sharing. It's always interesting to take budget items and give them a work out to see what they will and will not do. ETA- from my post... "Yep, not bad IMO for what it is." |
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Posted: 6/20/2024 9:05:48 AM EDT
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I suggest 3, 10 round groups instead of 30 all at once. Between groups, take your eye off the glass for little while to help you refocus and let your eyes rest
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Posted: 6/20/2024 5:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see anyone complaining... it's nothing more than fun at the range, informal testing, and info sharing. It's always interesting to take budget items and give them a work out to see what they will and will not do. ETA- from my post... "Yep, not bad IMO for what it is." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you guys are complaining about a $50 barrel that can shoot 2 inch 10 round groups at 100 yards with ammo it likes? I don't see anyone complaining... it's nothing more than fun at the range, informal testing, and info sharing. It's always interesting to take budget items and give them a work out to see what they will and will not do. ETA- from my post... "Yep, not bad IMO for what it is." Bowhunter, I was just using your data point (2" 10 round group), didn't mean you specifically were complaining. But others are, "I'll pass," "Yikes." Maybe not complaining, but downing the barrel. My point is, barrels have progressed to the point that a $50 barrel will shoot basically better than twice the military standard. That seems pretty good to me. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 12:25:20 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My point is, barrels have progressed to the point that a $50 barrel will shoot basically better than twice the military standard. That seems pretty good to me. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 7:40:01 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you guys are complaining about a $50 barrel that can shoot 2 inch 10 round groups at 100 yards with ammo it likes? OP's barrel didn't accomplish that. Another poster's barrel did. Which is the principle issue with buying bargain barrels. Lack of consistency in QC and manufacturing. It's always gamble. I think Jeff Cooper once said "Only accurate rifles are interesting". I agree 100%. It's not that I'm wealthy or a snob. I just don't have the cash to roll the dice on a cheap barrel, when I can spend more on a known quantity. If I want an accurate barrel, I buy from barrel manufacturers who only make barrels. Thats their niche and they have track records. |
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Posted: 6/21/2024 11:56:34 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Well I slapped a scope on my Anderson upper and hit the range. First up but no photo was 55gr FMJ to zero and get on paper, I'd say it was around 4 MOA +. Not bad IMO. Second group was 69gr SMK's with 24.0grs Re15... Ten shots, just under 2". Last group was 77gr SMK's with 23.5grs AA2520... Ten shots, just over 2" NOT counting the odd guy that did his own thing. AccuracyArsenal: No too dissimilar results for 10-shot groups. Thanks for contributing!! A bit of extrapolating, but OP says his barrel shot similar 10 shot groups. |
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Posted: 6/22/2024 11:58:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A bit of extrapolating, but OP says his barrel shot similar 10 shot groups. The 10-shot groups as shown in the video measure the following... 55 gr groups Shots 1-10 5.809 MOA Shots 11-20 6.152 MOA Shots 21-30 4.790 MOA 69 gr groups Shots 1-10 2.180 MOA Shots 11-20 3.013 MOA Shots 21-30 3.124 MOA 77 gr groups Shots 1-10 3.008 MOA Shots 11-20 3.257 MOA Shots 21-30 4.132 MOA         
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Posted: 6/22/2024 1:51:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 10-shot groups as shown in the video measure the following... 55 gr groups Shots 1-10 5.809 MOA Shots 11-20 6.152 MOA Shots 21-30 4.790 MOA 69 gr groups Shots 1-10 2.180 MOA Shots 11-20 3.013 MOA Shots 21-30 3.124 MOA 77 gr groups Shots 1-10 3.008 MOA Shots 11-20 3.257 MOA Shots 21-30 4.132 MOA https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/7638/eSmsZN.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/3663/vDq4ID.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/2954/dkTs0d.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/911/scUwDw.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/768/J9vBxk.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/817/nqWwTq.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9391/PDoW5E.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/5161/gI6Z6O.jpg https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/4474/8LXXMP.jpg One bad thing about this place is you will find people like to shit on or leave unnecessary unmeaningful commentary in other people's posts...  |
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