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Posted: 5/28/2013 9:02:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13: So can some of you guys post pics of " Phase Replacement" clones please? ETA Found these "PR" pics on page 500. That's my baby on the bottom - I had to sell the PR upper to help fund my CQBR project. I regret selling it, but I'm considering picking one up again in the future. |
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Posted: 5/28/2013 9:09:53 PM EDT
[#2]
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
So can some of you guys post pics of " Phase Replacement" clones please? ETA Found these "PR" pics on page 500. Couple of setups I've put together. Reposts but you asked. First setup: 
Switched things around a bit and painted: 
Tried it with a t1 
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Posted: 5/28/2013 10:57:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AnthonyL]
[#5]
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
Should get a non FSP like below  Ok, let's say I go the non-FSP route. What is the USGI issue front BUIS that will work with my MaTech rear BUIS? |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2013 11:03:33 PM EDT
[#6]
KAC 99051 in tan/taupe.
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Posted: 5/28/2013 11:13:31 PM EDT
[#7]
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
KAC 99051 in tan/taupe. Any leads on where to find one....they seem to be unobtainium.... |
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Posted: 5/28/2013 11:35:26 PM EDT
[#8]
Originally Posted By AnthonyL: Originally Posted By Tmender03: KAC 99051 in tan/taupe. Any leads on where to find one....they seem to be unobtainium.... Get on the email notification list at Operation Parts and wait for the notification email - have your credit card handy and be ready to jump on it as soon as you get the notification. That's how I scored both of mine. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2013 11:36:08 PM EDT
[#9]
Well it was fun while it lasted, time to ditch the block II. Can't say ill miss it though
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2013 11:42:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By AnthonyL:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
KAC 99051 in tan/taupe. Any leads on where to find one....they seem to be unobtainium.... Get on the email notification list at Operation Parts and wait for the notification email - have your credit card handy and be ready to jump on it as soon as you get the notification. That's how I scored both of mine. There's also King Optic USA and the EE. The EE is going to take a little more effort but, that's where I got mine. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 12:12:16 AM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By RadOP:
Well it was fun while it lasted, time to ditch the block II. Can't say ill miss it though 
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Posted: 5/29/2013 12:21:28 AM EDT
[#12]
Originally Posted By wootizzle:
Originally Posted By RadOP:
Well it was fun while it lasted, time to ditch the block II. Can't say ill miss it though The block II does nothing that the mk12 cant do almost as well and better in everything else... 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2013 12:34:54 AM EDT
[#13]
Originally Posted By gunnut003:
Originally Posted By wootizzle:
Originally Posted By RadOP:
Well it was fun while it lasted, time to ditch the block II. Can't say ill miss it though The block II does nothing that the mk12 cant do almost as well and better in everything else... The block II and my Mk12 are used for two different things. Block II for close shooting quick movement etc etc. Mk12 is strictly "precision" Ditching the block II because I don't like the overall feeling of the RIS II. If I don't ditch the gun entirely it'll probably be something close to a Phased Replacement but the RIS II absolutely is going bye bye |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 12:41:31 AM EDT
[#14]
Originally Posted By AnthonyL:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
Should get a non FSP like below http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll35/joshauclarkson/myweapon1_zps1a45feac.jpg Ok, let's say I go the non-FSP route. What is the USGI issue front BUIS that will work with my MaTech rear BUIS? Pretty much any front sight will work with the Matech (or any other front/rear sight combo) but the KAC taupe sight is the most accurate for clone purposes. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2013 12:57:18 AM EDT
[#15]
Originally Posted By RadOP:
The block II and my Mk12 are used for two different things. Block II for close shooting quick movement etc etc. Mk12 is strictly "precision" Ditching the block II because I don't like the overall feeling of the RIS II. If I don't ditch the gun entirely it'll probably be something close to a Phased Replacement but the RIS II absolutely is going bye bye Pretty much seeing that split on this thread. There are those who like the RIS II and those who prefer the KAC. I prefer the RIS II as I grip out towards the L39 slot with the stock fully extended and it feels awesome. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:16:44 AM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By patriot_man:
Originally Posted By RadOP:
The block II and my Mk12 are used for two different things. Block II for close shooting quick movement etc etc. Mk12 is strictly "precision" Ditching the block II because I don't like the overall feeling of the RIS II. If I don't ditch the gun entirely it'll probably be something close to a Phased Replacement but the RIS II absolutely is going bye bye Pretty much seeing that split on this thread. There are those who like the RIS II and those who prefer the KAC. I prefer the RIS II as I grip out towards the L39 slot with the stock fully extended and it feels awesome. Never have I ever shot any AR platform with the stock completely extended and position of my hand wasnt dictated by that either. Truly growing up on the M16A4 throughout my service and later moving into a role that required/issued a M4 I've always shot with my off hand mid way up the 7in rail and around the same with the M16. For the block II its more about the unnecessary added rail space that I don't need and mostly I just am not pleased with the overall feeling of the gun |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:25:37 AM EDT
[#17]
I'm in the same boat as well and prefer the feel of the PR a lot more. It felt too front heavy even with a SOPMOD stock.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:27:06 AM EDT
[#18]
Originally Posted By the444shooter:
Originally Posted By gunnut003:
Originally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By gunnut003:
Originally Posted By AggiePhil:
How is the switch from an Aimpoint (Mod 0) to an EOTech (Mod 1) an improvement?  Improved field of view for one..and batteries are common enough, it not like they die every day.  The FOV argument is misunderstood, you're supposed to keep both eyes open for both sight systems. I meant deviation for solid cheekweld. i have multiples of each, i use them to build clones, and it is not like either is garbage, but it is entertaining to watch the fanbois dish put and defend these sights...  ,Ok, now lets talk EOtech versus the Elcan--I want to save up enough for a Specter DR, but I could also afford an EOtech + Magnifier WAY sooner. I know the merits of both, but do you guys think I would be satisfied w/ just using an EO+magnifier? Does the 1moa dot turn into a 3-5moa dot w/ magnifier(depending on magnifier) and obscure any of the target? What I don't like about a RDS (Aimpoint or Eotech) and magnifier, is that you have the magnifier flopping around off to the side when not in use. This seems to upset the center of gravity and makes the rifle feel like it is weighted to one side. I don't like that feel. Others may not mind it, but I don't like it. Personal preference. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:47:25 AM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By patriot_man: Originally Posted By RadOP: The block II and my Mk12 are used for two different things. Block II for close shooting quick movement etc etc. Mk12 is strictly "precision" Ditching the block II because I don't like the overall feeling of the RIS II. If I don't ditch the gun entirely it'll probably be something close to a Phased Replacement but the RIS II absolutely is going bye bye Pretty much seeing that split on this thread. There are those who like the RIS II and those who prefer the KAC. I prefer the RIS II as I grip out towards the L39 slot with the stock fully extended and it feels awesome. In my opinion, the KAC RAS balances the carbine better and the reduction in weight makes it quicker to throw around - especially transitioning between targets. If I were hiking around some mountainous terrain all day and night, I'd rather have a lighter gun with less rail space than a heavier gun with more... However, I'm a civilian recreational shooter, so weight/mobility isn't something I'm concerned with. Heavier guns are more fun anyway.  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:56:31 AM EDT
[#22]
I agree with ya'll on Block II.
Way too heavy and cumbersome to be a good CQB carbine with a RDS and not in the same league as the Mk 12 when it comes to light precision even in the same size package. IMO, the block I was the best configuration for a carbine. Aimpoint in a lower 1/3 mount, KAC 300M buis, CAR or waffle stock and a lighter front end. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 9:00:11 AM EDT
[#23]
You guys do realize the the difference in weight between a M4 with KAC M4 RAS and a M4 with RIS II & KAC front sight is about 1 oz?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/29/2013 9:21:18 AM EDT
[#24]
Originally Posted By Postal0311:
You guys do realize the the difference in weight between a M4 with KAC M4 RAS and a M4 with RIS II & KAC front sight is about 1 oz? Moment arm. It makes a big difference. I've used a PR and a Block II through several two and three day classes and the Block II is a pig. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 9:23:19 AM EDT
[#25]
Originally Posted By Postal0311: You guys do realize the the difference in weight between a M4 with KAC M4 RAS and a M4 with RIS II & KAC front sight is about 1 oz? Maybe the balance is off to them? |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 10:59:26 AM EDT
[#26]
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13: Originally Posted By Postal0311: You guys do realize the the difference in weight between a M4 with KAC M4 RAS and a M4 with RIS II & KAC front sight is about 1 oz? Maybe the balance is off to them? It's the balance. With the KAC RAS, all the weight of the gun is closer to the center - with the Block II, the extra rail length makes it slightly more front heavy. It's not really a big deal for a recreational shooter (like me), but like I said, to have to hull a rifle around all day, I'd rather have the PR.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 12:34:52 PM EDT
[#27]
After doing some catching up I realized a lot of the discussion here seems to go in circles. So much so that I get deja vu every 2-3 months. Anyway, still love this thread
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Just bought a P226 MK25 off gunbroker to add to the collection, but it won't be in my hands for another 2-3 weeks. Thanks to Augee for the help! Pic thread: 
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:11:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gunnut003]
[#28]
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By Postal0311:
You guys do realize the the difference in weight between a M4 with KAC M4 RAS and a M4 with RIS II & KAC front sight is about 1 oz? Maybe the balance is off to them? It is. You hang the flashlight and laser unit in front of your arm ( assuming you grip the rifle on the rearward 7"). At least with the PR or Block I, all that crap is right above your arm...
With that said, I think I am still keeping the Block II, Bacon is good once in a while. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 1:16:12 PM EDT
[#29]
Originally Posted By gunnut003: Originally Posted By jukeboxx13: Originally Posted By Postal0311: You guys do realize the the difference in weight between a M4 with KAC M4 RAS and a M4 with RIS II & KAC front sight is about 1 oz? Maybe the balance is off to them? It is. You hang the flashlight and laser unit in front of your arm ( assuming you grip the rifle on the rearward 7"). At least with the PR or Block I, all that crap is right above your arm... With that said, I think I am still keeping the Block II, Bacon is good once in a while. I'm not getting rid of my Block II carbine upper either - it's still a badass upper, even if it's slightly more heavy. Hell, my M1A is heavy as shit, but I still love it.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 2:34:46 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By thesocialistnetwork:
After doing some catching up I realized a lot of the discussion here seems to go in circles. So much so that I get deja vu every 2-3 months. Anyway, still love this thread .
Just bought a P226 MK25 off gunbroker to add to the collection, but it won't be in my hands for another 2-3 weeks. Thanks to Augee for the help! Pic thread: http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/j0ny4ng/f64941b4-7d01-4609-946b-aa920560e473.jpg Good pickup. I love my MK25. Probably my favorite Sig I own...and I own several. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 2:51:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By thesocialistnetwork:
After doing some catching up I realized a lot of the discussion here seems to go in circles. So much so that I get deja vu every 2-3 months. Anyway, still love this thread .
Just bought a P226 MK25 off gunbroker to add to the collection, but it won't be in my hands for another 2-3 weeks. Thanks to Augee for the help! Pic thread: http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/j0ny4ng/f64941b4-7d01-4609-946b-aa920560e473.jpg Beautiful rifles. I am planning to pick up a mk25 later this year. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 5:42:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919: Originally Posted By thesocialistnetwork: After doing some catching up I realized a lot of the discussion here seems to go in circles. So much so that I get deja vu every 2-3 months. Anyway, still love this thread .Just bought a P226 MK25 off gunbroker to add to the collection, but it won't be in my hands for another 2-3 weeks. Thanks to Augee for the help! Pic thread: http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/j0ny4ng/f64941b4-7d01-4609-946b-aa920560e473.jpg Beautiful rifles. I am planning to pick up a mk25 later this year. Pick up the SRT for it if you get one - the SRT blows the standard trigger out of the water. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 6:11:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AR-Ryan21]
[#33]
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
Originally Posted By thesocialistnetwork:
After doing some catching up I realized a lot of the discussion here seems to go in circles. So much so that I get deja vu every 2-3 months. Anyway, still love this thread .
Just bought a P226 MK25 off gunbroker to add to the collection, but it won't be in my hands for another 2-3 weeks. Thanks to Augee for the help! Pic thread: http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/j0ny4ng/f64941b4-7d01-4609-946b-aa920560e473.jpg Beautiful rifles. I am planning to pick up a mk25 later this year. Pick up the SRT for it if you get one - the SRT blows the standard trigger out of the water. Yep. The SRT trigger rocks. I had to grab one for all my Sigs. My 239 SAS Gen 2 came with the SRT already installed. I never understood how Sig chooses which models to ship with the SRT. I've got models without the SRT from the factory that msrp for as much as other models that come with the SRT included. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 6:13:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Originally Posted By ragincajun1919: Originally Posted By thesocialistnetwork: After doing some catching up I realized a lot of the discussion here seems to go in circles. So much so that I get deja vu every 2-3 months. Anyway, still love this thread .Just bought a P226 MK25 off gunbroker to add to the collection, but it won't be in my hands for another 2-3 weeks. Thanks to Augee for the help! Pic thread: http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g71/j0ny4ng/f64941b4-7d01-4609-946b-aa920560e473.jpg Beautiful rifles. I am planning to pick up a mk25 later this year. Pick up the SRT for it if you get one - the SRT blows the standard trigger out of the water. Yep. The SRT trigger rocks. I had to grab one for all my Sigs. My 239 SAS Gen 2 came with the SRT already installed. I never understood how Sig chooses which models to ship with the SRT. I've got models without the SRT from the factory that msrp for as much as other models that come with the SRT included. It's a night and day difference between the two triggers. |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 6:30:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Are we discussing pistols now?
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Posted: 5/29/2013 6:41:08 PM EDT
[#36]
We shouldn't be.
Back on topic, do we have any pics of the M620 on a block ii? |
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:18:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Anybody running the 12.25" barrel setup? Seems like that might be the best compromise between weight, barrel length, and velocity.
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:25:49 PM EDT
[#38]
Originally Posted By AggiePhil:
Anybody running the 12.25" barrel setup? Seems like that might be the best compromise between weight, barrel length, and velocity. It also wouldn't be a clone
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:32:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SilentMark]
[#39]
Originally Posted By TXWoodsman:
Originally Posted By AggiePhil:
Anybody running the 12.25" barrel setup? Seems like that might be the best compromise between weight, barrel length, and velocity. It also wouldn't be a clone A very uncommon unobtanium clone GL/SSC Pic courtesy of one of the few to own a gl/SSC rail, Stickman. 
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:34:15 PM EDT
[#40]
See "RIS URG II 12.25" MCN: 1090-01-D12-0982".
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Posted: 5/29/2013 7:39:20 PM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By SilentMark:
Originally Posted By TXWoodsman:
Originally Posted By AggiePhil:
Anybody running the 12.25" barrel setup? Seems like that might be the best compromise between weight, barrel length, and velocity. It also wouldn't be a clone A very uncommon unobtanium clone GL/SSC Pic courtesy of one of the few to own a gl/SSC rail, Stickman. http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/silentmark73/e011a68938fc757d7ebdd4904144311c_zps3754d1da.jpg Forgot about that rail set up. I retract my statement 
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Posted: 5/30/2013 11:40:21 AM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By samuse:
I agree with ya'll on Block II. Way too heavy and cumbersome to be a good CQB carbine with a RDS and not in the same league as the Mk 12 when it comes to light precision even in the same size package. IMO, the block I was the best configuration for a carbine. Aimpoint in a lower 1/3 mount, KAC 300M buis, CAR or waffle stock and a lighter front end. Stop. Crushing. My. Dream! I've got a DD M4a1 SOCOM arriving tomorrow, and am going to start building it up, and I don't need this negativity! 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2013 11:45:57 AM EDT
[#43]
Originally Posted By the444shooter:
Originally Posted By samuse:
I agree with ya'll on Block II. Way too heavy and cumbersome to be a good CQB carbine with a RDS and not in the same league as the Mk 12 when it comes to light precision even in the same size package. IMO, the block I was the best configuration for a carbine. Aimpoint in a lower 1/3 mount, KAC 300M buis, CAR or waffle stock and a lighter front end. Stop. Crushing. My. Dream! I've got a DD M4a1 SOCOM arriving tomorrow, and am going to start building it up, and I don't need this negativity! Don't worry, I love shooting mine, and it's a blast every time I take it out. |
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Posted: 5/30/2013 12:45:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
Originally Posted By the444shooter:
Originally Posted By samuse:
I agree with ya'll on Block II. Way too heavy and cumbersome to be a good CQB carbine with a RDS and not in the same league as the Mk 12 when it comes to light precision even in the same size package. IMO, the block I was the best configuration for a carbine. Aimpoint in a lower 1/3 mount, KAC 300M buis, CAR or waffle stock and a lighter front end. Stop. Crushing. My. Dream! I've got a DD M4a1 SOCOM arriving tomorrow, and am going to start building it up, and I don't need this negativity! Don't worry, I love shooting mine, and it's a blast every time I take it out. +1 And I don't know why the comparisons to the Mk12 are happening. |
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Posted: 5/30/2013 1:35:30 PM EDT
[#45]
Originally Posted By SilentMark:
Originally Posted By TXWoodsman:
Originally Posted By AggiePhil:
Anybody running the 12.25" barrel setup? Seems like that might be the best compromise between weight, barrel length, and velocity. It also wouldn't be a clone A very uncommon unobtanium clone GL/SSC Pic courtesy of one of the few to own a gl/SSC rail, Stickman. http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/silentmark73/e011a68938fc757d7ebdd4904144311c_zps3754d1da.jpg Damn it. I want one. How do I track down this length RIS II? |
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Posted: 5/30/2013 1:54:25 PM EDT
[#46]
I found an old thread that said Daniel Defense will do a run of them if we order 100. Anyone want to put together a group buy? If so, I'm in for one.
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Posted: 5/30/2013 1:56:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Originally Posted By AggiePhil:
I found an old thread that said Daniel Defense will do a run of them if we order 100. Anyone want to put together a group buy? If so, I'm in for one. Sadly, DD cd back and said that even for 100 try won't re-tool and make them. Only way to get more is if the .mil orders more and they will run off extras for us. |
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Posted: 5/30/2013 2:17:29 PM EDT
[#48]
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
Originally Posted By AggiePhil:
I found an old thread that said Daniel Defense will do a run of them if we order 100. Anyone want to put together a group buy? If so, I'm in for one. Sadly, DD cd back and said that even for 100 try won't re-tool and make them. Only way to get more is if the .mil orders more and they will run off extras for us. Yeah, we've tried this a few times in the past. |
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Posted: 5/30/2013 2:41:00 PM EDT
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Anyone using the LBT two point sling, LBT-2500BZ?
I've decided Im between that, the VTAC, and the Ares Armor Huskey sling. The LBT looks the most streamlined with padding and already comes with hk hooks. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2013 8:08:11 PM EDT
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Little update on my SU-230, Elcan over-nighted me two screws for free, now it's back in business.
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