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Posted: 9/4/2014 7:45:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Infidel4life11]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter:
A typical SOPMOD 1 ACOG will be a TA01NSN with the integrated back-up iron sights. But, you know... it's not my gun and I don't know if you're a purist who's going for aethetics or practical application. If you're going for looks, it needs the rear mount ears. It would help if you could show (or at least describe) the reticle pattern it uses. Me? if it has a "raised NSN" on the side, I'd say go for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tweeter:
Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Boys this came in my LGS (that I part time at) today. http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-21.jpg http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-20.jpg http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-19.jpg http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-18.jpg It's too old for me to know what model it is or if it's block II kosher or not, the cross hairs turn red when the lights are out. Can someone help a brother out! A typical SOPMOD 1 ACOG will be a TA01NSN with the integrated back-up iron sights. But, you know... it's not my gun and I don't know if you're a purist who's going for aethetics or practical application. If you're going for looks, it needs the rear mount ears. It would help if you could show (or at least describe) the reticle pattern it uses. Me? if it has a "raised NSN" on the side, I'd say go for it. Per Tijicon's website it's a TA01 reticle. I wasn't sure about it without the iron sights on it. I figured it was an early Block 1 sort of. Thank you guys for the info. Edit: Page owned 
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2014 10:08:48 PM EDT
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Got my M3X-700-A35 light kit today, and boy oh boy is this baby bright!
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Posted: 9/4/2014 10:38:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Darkstar117]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Boys this came in my LGS (that I part time at) today. http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-21.jpg http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-20.jpg http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-19.jpg http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee413/infidel4life11/Mobile%20Uploads/image-18.jpg It's too old for me to know what model it is or if it's block II kosher or not, the cross hairs turn red when the lights are out. Can someone help a brother out! Look at the bottom of the sight picture while looking through the reticle. The model should be displayed there. ETA: NM, my TA01 doesn't have the model number. My RCO ACOGs do though. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 3:50:44 PM EDT
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While not as cool as the ATPIAL-C that just got announced, Operation parts has some 99051 Taupe KAC front sights in stock if anyone needs one.
http://www.operationparts.com/KAC_Knights_Armament_RAS_Front_Folding_Sight_TAUPE_p/99051-taupe.htm |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 4:14:22 PM EDT
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Customer sent in this photo of his Noveske M4A1 after he painted it
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Posted: 9/5/2014 4:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeepinjoe17:
While not as cool as the ATPIAL-C that just got announced, Operation parts has some 99051 Taupe KAC front sights in stock if anyone needs one. http://www.operationparts.com/KAC_Knights_Armament_RAS_Front_Folding_Sight_TAUPE_p/99051-taupe.htm Thanks for the link. I need one for my MK12ish build. Think I'm actually gonna use the RIS II FDE rail on that as well. |
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Posted: 9/5/2014 7:30:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeepinjoe17:
While not as cool as the ATPIAL-C that just got announced, Operation parts has some 99051 Taupe KAC front sights in stock if anyone needs one. http://www.operationparts.com/KAC_Knights_Armament_RAS_Front_Folding_Sight_TAUPE_p/99051-taupe.htm Thanks for the heads up! ETA: Damnit, I was on their notification list for that too and never received an e-mail. Same shit happened last time!  
Oh well, at least I got one this go around. 
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MO, USA
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Posted: 9/5/2014 8:55:11 PM EDT
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Scored a Matech rear sight and a DD quick detach sling mount today for $40!
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 12:12:41 AM EDT
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Got some parts in!
 Now for my barrel to get back from ADCO and need a EXPS3-0...
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 12:17:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeputySteel:
Got some parts in! Now for my barrel to get back from ADCO and need a EXPS3-0...
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/KAC_zps1c422f68.jpg http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/KAC02_zpsd11f6603.jpg That rail looks uber short, imagine a PEQ-15 on there too. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 12:18:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DeputySteel]
[#11]
Picture with the PEQ and M3X on.... Luckily I don't have a PEQ to put on
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 12:19:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmender03:
That rail looks uber short, imagine a PEQ-15 on there too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tmender03:
Originally Posted By DeputySteel:
Got some parts in! Now for my barrel to get back from ADCO and need a EXPS3-0...
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/KAC_zps1c422f68.jpg http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/KAC02_zpsd11f6603.jpg That rail looks uber short, imagine a PEQ-15 on there too. You can say that, it sure feels short as I am coming from a RIS II... |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 1:02:12 AM EDT
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And whats the correct Tango down VFG? The BGV-MK46?
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Posted: 9/6/2014 1:11:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeputySteel:
Picture with the PEQ and M3X on.... Luckily I don't have a PEQ to put on
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/10172604_10152358676834769_4527506479044162579_n_zps693f1f95.jpg I'm still trying to figure out how all these guys are utilizing their Elcans with them so far foward on the upper. There's an even worse picture in the AFSOC clone thread of this. With my rifle, I have the Elcan scooted as far rearward as it will go while still allowing a rear BUIS and I have to shoot NTCH just to get a proper sight picture. The eye relief is relatively short (still better than a TA31 or TA01.) So are these guys just working with a "shrunken" sight picture or is there something I'm missing? |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 3:12:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeputySteel:
And whats the correct Tango down VFG? The BGV-MK46? No, the ITI model |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 9:08:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocBach:
No, the ITI model Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DocBach:
Originally Posted By DeputySteel:
And whats the correct Tango down VFG? The BGV-MK46? No, the ITI model Even though it's not clone correct I want the QDSF for mine. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 10:41:21 AM EDT
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whats the proper rear flip up sight ? im building a 10.3'
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Posted: 9/6/2014 10:50:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Darkstar117]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
whats the proper rear flip up sight ? im building a 10.3' The short answer is, yes. There are huge variations seen due to user preference. The long answer is KAC or Matech. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 11:21:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
I'm still trying to figure out how all these guys are utilizing their Elcans with them so far foward on the upper. There's an even worse picture in the AFSOC clone thread of this. With my rifle, I have the Elcan scooted as far rearward as it will go while still allowing a rear BUIS and I have to shoot NTCH just to get a proper sight picture. The eye relief is relatively short (still better than a TA31 or TA01.) So are these guys just working with a "shrunken" sight picture or is there something I'm missing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By DeputySteel:
Picture with the PEQ and M3X on.... Luckily I don't have a PEQ to put on
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/10172604_10152358676834769_4527506479044162579_n_zps693f1f95.jpg I'm still trying to figure out how all these guys are utilizing their Elcans with them so far foward on the upper. There's an even worse picture in the AFSOC clone thread of this. With my rifle, I have the Elcan scooted as far rearward as it will go while still allowing a rear BUIS and I have to shoot NTCH just to get a proper sight picture. The eye relief is relatively short (still better than a TA31 or TA01.) So are these guys just working with a "shrunken" sight picture or is there something I'm missing? I've wondered that as well |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 2:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TannerB:
I've wondered that as well Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TannerB:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By DeputySteel:
Picture with the PEQ and M3X on.... Luckily I don't have a PEQ to put on
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/10172604_10152358676834769_4527506479044162579_n_zps693f1f95.jpg I'm still trying to figure out how all these guys are utilizing their Elcans with them so far foward on the upper. There's an even worse picture in the AFSOC clone thread of this. With my rifle, I have the Elcan scooted as far rearward as it will go while still allowing a rear BUIS and I have to shoot NTCH just to get a proper sight picture. The eye relief is relatively short (still better than a TA31 or TA01.) So are these guys just working with a "shrunken" sight picture or is there something I'm missing? I've wondered that as well Maybe the optic is pushed forward to clear a helmet with NOD mount, goggles, etc? You can definitely still get a sight picture with the Elcan mounted that far forward, but it is not optimal. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 4:14:37 PM EDT
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will a matech fit under a Specter DR ?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darkstar117:
The short answer is, yes. There are huge variations seen due to user preference. The long answer is KAC or Matech. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darkstar117:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
whats the proper rear flip up sight ? im building a 10.3' The short answer is, yes. There are huge variations seen due to user preference. The long answer is KAC or Matech. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 4:37:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
will a matech fit under a Specter DR ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
will a matech fit under a Specter DR ? Originally Posted By Darkstar117:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
whats the proper rear flip up sight ? im building a 10.3' The short answer is, yes. There are huge variations seen due to user preference. The long answer is KAC or Matech. 
Yup. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 4:42:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn:
Maybe the optic is pushed forward to clear a helmet with NOD mount, goggles, etc? You can definitely still get a sight picture with the Elcan mounted that far forward, but it is not optimal. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn:
Originally Posted By TannerB:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By DeputySteel:
Picture with the PEQ and M3X on.... Luckily I don't have a PEQ to put on
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/10172604_10152358676834769_4527506479044162579_n_zps693f1f95.jpg I'm still trying to figure out how all these guys are utilizing their Elcans with them so far foward on the upper. There's an even worse picture in the AFSOC clone thread of this. With my rifle, I have the Elcan scooted as far rearward as it will go while still allowing a rear BUIS and I have to shoot NTCH just to get a proper sight picture. The eye relief is relatively short (still better than a TA31 or TA01.) So are these guys just working with a "shrunken" sight picture or is there something I'm missing? I've wondered that as well Maybe the optic is pushed forward to clear a helmet with NOD mount, goggles, etc? You can definitely still get a sight picture with the Elcan mounted that far forward, but it is not optimal. I guess that is a possibility but it still makes no sense to me. Why have the ATPIAL then? I've got an ATPIAL on my work gun and we are issued PVS-14's and I've tried this. It is at best less than optimal trying to look through an Aimpoint (no eye relief or eye box) with a helmet mounted PVS-14, at worst it's damn near impossible (I'd assume closer to this with an Elcan) with helmet mounted NOD's. Either way, I scooted my Elcan forward to that position and it is possible to get a sight picture with it, but as your stated, it is most assuredly not optimal. ETA: I think I've figured this out. Here is the picture from the AFSOC clone thread. 
It appears all the rifles we're seeing with the Elcan scooted far forward are equipped with BUIS. It also appears all the Elcans are scooted just far enough forward to allow the rear BUIS to be deployed without hitting the bottom of the eyepiece. I'm willing to bet these guys have them set up that way so they can utilize their BUIS without having to remove the Elcan. Seems kind of odd though, I was under the impression that BUIS wouldn't work correctly through a magnified optic even though the Elcan (as well as other optics) can be set to "1x" because it isn't exactly a true "1x". |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 5:11:46 PM EDT
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I want an FDE Elcan so bad.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 5:15:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
I guess that is a possibility but it still makes no sense to me. Why have the ATPIAL then? I've got an ATPIAL on my work gun and we are issued PVS-14's and I've tried this. It is at best less than optimal trying to look through an Aimpoint (no eye relief or eye box) with a helmet mounted PVS-14, at worst it's damn near impossible (I'd assume closer to this with an Elcan) with helmet mounted NOD's. Either way, I scooted my Elcan forward to that position and it is possible to get a sight picture with it, but as your stated, it is most assuredly not optimal. ETA: I think I've figured this out. Here is the picture from the AFSOC clone thread. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/536092_430805553622118_2119173075_n.jpg It appears all the rifles we're seeing with the Elcan scooted far forward are equipped with BUIS. It also appears all the Elcans are scooted just far enough forward to allow the rear BUIS to be deployed without hitting the bottom of the eyepiece. I'm willing to bet these guys have them set up that way so they can utilize their BUIS without having to remove the Elcan. Seems kind of odd though, I was under the impression that BUIS wouldn't work correctly through a magnified optic even though the Elcan (as well as other optics) can be set to "1x" because it isn't exactly a true "1x". Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By vmpglenn:
Originally Posted By TannerB:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By DeputySteel:
Picture with the PEQ and M3X on.... Luckily I don't have a PEQ to put on
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz306/DeputySteel/10172604_10152358676834769_4527506479044162579_n_zps693f1f95.jpg I'm still trying to figure out how all these guys are utilizing their Elcans with them so far foward on the upper. There's an even worse picture in the AFSOC clone thread of this. With my rifle, I have the Elcan scooted as far rearward as it will go while still allowing a rear BUIS and I have to shoot NTCH just to get a proper sight picture. The eye relief is relatively short (still better than a TA31 or TA01.) So are these guys just working with a "shrunken" sight picture or is there something I'm missing? I've wondered that as well Maybe the optic is pushed forward to clear a helmet with NOD mount, goggles, etc? You can definitely still get a sight picture with the Elcan mounted that far forward, but it is not optimal. I guess that is a possibility but it still makes no sense to me. Why have the ATPIAL then? I've got an ATPIAL on my work gun and we are issued PVS-14's and I've tried this. It is at best less than optimal trying to look through an Aimpoint (no eye relief or eye box) with a helmet mounted PVS-14, at worst it's damn near impossible (I'd assume closer to this with an Elcan) with helmet mounted NOD's. Either way, I scooted my Elcan forward to that position and it is possible to get a sight picture with it, but as your stated, it is most assuredly not optimal. ETA: I think I've figured this out. Here is the picture from the AFSOC clone thread. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/536092_430805553622118_2119173075_n.jpg It appears all the rifles we're seeing with the Elcan scooted far forward are equipped with BUIS. It also appears all the Elcans are scooted just far enough forward to allow the rear BUIS to be deployed without hitting the bottom of the eyepiece. I'm willing to bet these guys have them set up that way so they can utilize their BUIS without having to remove the Elcan. Seems kind of odd though, I was under the impression that BUIS wouldn't work correctly through a magnified optic even though the Elcan (as well as other optics) can be set to "1x" because it isn't exactly a true "1x". Maybe it's because they're Air Force... 
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Posted: 9/6/2014 5:23:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dysfunction:
That right there is some brand-ass-new fresh-outta-the-package Multicam. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dysfunction:
Originally Posted By Lancelot:
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/1896853_919903178026619_4446339216025671442_n.jpg That right there is some brand-ass-new fresh-outta-the-package Multicam. Patagonia, they're nice. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 5:31:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By schaz42:
Maybe it's because they're Air Force...
Hey now... sadly I agree. Small arms aren't our expertise. Blowing stuff up with aircraft is. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 6:06:18 PM EDT
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By any chance has anyone seen a photo of a block ii with a magpul rvg in the wild?
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Posted: 9/6/2014 6:07:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By schaz42:
Maybe it's because they're Air Force...
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By schaz42:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
I guess that is a possibility but it still makes no sense to me. Why have the ATPIAL then? I've got an ATPIAL on my work gun and we are issued PVS-14's and I've tried this. It is at best less than optimal trying to look through an Aimpoint (no eye relief or eye box) with a helmet mounted PVS-14, at worst it's damn near impossible (I'd assume closer to this with an Elcan) with helmet mounted NOD's. Either way, I scooted my Elcan forward to that position and it is possible to get a sight picture with it, but as your stated, it is most assuredly not optimal. ETA: I think I've figured this out. Here is the picture from the AFSOC clone thread. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/536092_430805553622118_2119173075_n.jpg It appears all the rifles we're seeing with the Elcan scooted far forward are equipped with BUIS. It also appears all the Elcans are scooted just far enough forward to allow the rear BUIS to be deployed without hitting the bottom of the eyepiece. I'm willing to bet these guys have them set up that way so they can utilize their BUIS without having to remove the Elcan. Seems kind of odd though, I was under the impression that BUIS wouldn't work correctly through a magnified optic even though the Elcan (as well as other optics) can be set to "1x" because it isn't exactly a true "1x". Maybe it's because they're Air Force...
That is a distinct possibility. I'm AF and it's usually a mentally taxing experience going for qual or sustainment firing at the range. The majority of CATM personnel I've come across are......um...interesting. Of course, there are a few CATM personnel who know their shit (usually the heavy weapons guys) but the majority aren't much better than your average gun shop employee.
ETA: The majority of people that I work with who carry guns everyday just like me are even worse. It always amazes me how surprised CATM personnel are when you clear a stoppage without raising your hand on the firing line for help first. 
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DZA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 8:09:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: VA-gunnut]
[#30]
Spam
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Posted: 9/6/2014 8:38:56 PM EDT
[#31]
"Final Configuration".
I'll laugh when I want to change it up. 
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Posted: 9/6/2014 9:01:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72:
I want an FDE Elcan so bad. So do I. I'm tempted to just get a black one and paint the rifle. 
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Posted: 9/6/2014 9:30:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
I guess that is a possibility but it still makes no sense to me. Why have the ATPIAL then? I've got an ATPIAL on my work gun and we are issued PVS-14's and I've tried this. It is at best less than optimal trying to look through an Aimpoint (no eye relief or eye box) with a helmet mounted PVS-14, at worst it's damn near impossible (I'd assume closer to this with an Elcan) with helmet mounted NOD's. Either way, I scooted my Elcan forward to that position and it is possible to get a sight picture with it, but as your stated, it is most assuredly not optimal. ETA: I think I've figured this out. Here is the picture from the AFSOC clone thread. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/536092_430805553622118_2119173075_n.jpg It appears all the rifles we're seeing with the Elcan scooted far forward are equipped with BUIS. It also appears all the Elcans are scooted just far enough forward to allow the rear BUIS to be deployed without hitting the bottom of the eyepiece. I'm willing to bet these guys have them set up that way so they can utilize their BUIS without having to remove the Elcan. Seems kind of odd though, I was under the impression that BUIS wouldn't work correctly through a magnified optic even though the Elcan (as well as other optics) can be set to "1x" because it isn't exactly a true "1x". you can use a buis through an elcan on 1x, the front sight on my scar 17 through my elcan on 1x: 
and a repost of said elcan on blk 2 to stay on topic: 
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Posted: 9/6/2014 10:13:48 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TSegler:
you can use a buis through an elcan on 1x, the front sight on my scar 17 through my elcan on 1x: http://i.imgur.com/CZl8XbNl.jpg and a repost of said elcan on blk 2 to stay on topic: http://i.imgur.com/Ti3kAZbl.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TSegler:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
I guess that is a possibility but it still makes no sense to me. Why have the ATPIAL then? I've got an ATPIAL on my work gun and we are issued PVS-14's and I've tried this. It is at best less than optimal trying to look through an Aimpoint (no eye relief or eye box) with a helmet mounted PVS-14, at worst it's damn near impossible (I'd assume closer to this with an Elcan) with helmet mounted NOD's. Either way, I scooted my Elcan forward to that position and it is possible to get a sight picture with it, but as your stated, it is most assuredly not optimal. ETA: I think I've figured this out. Here is the picture from the AFSOC clone thread. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/536092_430805553622118_2119173075_n.jpg It appears all the rifles we're seeing with the Elcan scooted far forward are equipped with BUIS. It also appears all the Elcans are scooted just far enough forward to allow the rear BUIS to be deployed without hitting the bottom of the eyepiece. I'm willing to bet these guys have them set up that way so they can utilize their BUIS without having to remove the Elcan. Seems kind of odd though, I was under the impression that BUIS wouldn't work correctly through a magnified optic even though the Elcan (as well as other optics) can be set to "1x" because it isn't exactly a true "1x". you can use a buis through an elcan on 1x, the front sight on my scar 17 through my elcan on 1x: http://i.imgur.com/CZl8XbNl.jpg and a repost of said elcan on blk 2 to stay on topic: http://i.imgur.com/Ti3kAZbl.jpg The question is, how much of a useable sight picture are you losing by scooting the Elcan that far forward? The answer is a lot. It really shouldn't even matter. The Elcan doesn't need illumination to utilize the reticle and if the lenses get so damaged you can't use that (in this case you wouldn't be able to use BUIS through it anyway) then there is "emergency sights" on top of the Elcan so you can make do until you can remove it. Basically, using BUIS through the elcan is about one of the most useless things you can do. |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 10:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
The question is, how much of a useable sight picture are you losing by scooting the Elcan that far forward? The answer is a lot. It really shouldn't even matter. The Elcan doesn't need illumination to utilize the reticle and if the lenses get so damaged you can't use that (in this case you wouldn't be able to use BUIS through it anyway) then there is "emergency sights" on top of the Elcan so you can make do until you can remove it. Basically, using BUIS through the elcan is about one of the most useless things you can do. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RJeff21:
Originally Posted By TSegler:
Originally Posted By RJeff21:
I guess that is a possibility but it still makes no sense to me. Why have the ATPIAL then? I've got an ATPIAL on my work gun and we are issued PVS-14's and I've tried this. It is at best less than optimal trying to look through an Aimpoint (no eye relief or eye box) with a helmet mounted PVS-14, at worst it's damn near impossible (I'd assume closer to this with an Elcan) with helmet mounted NOD's. Either way, I scooted my Elcan forward to that position and it is possible to get a sight picture with it, but as your stated, it is most assuredly not optimal. ETA: I think I've figured this out. Here is the picture from the AFSOC clone thread. https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/536092_430805553622118_2119173075_n.jpg It appears all the rifles we're seeing with the Elcan scooted far forward are equipped with BUIS. It also appears all the Elcans are scooted just far enough forward to allow the rear BUIS to be deployed without hitting the bottom of the eyepiece. I'm willing to bet these guys have them set up that way so they can utilize their BUIS without having to remove the Elcan. Seems kind of odd though, I was under the impression that BUIS wouldn't work correctly through a magnified optic even though the Elcan (as well as other optics) can be set to "1x" because it isn't exactly a true "1x". you can use a buis through an elcan on 1x, the front sight on my scar 17 through my elcan on 1x: http://i.imgur.com/CZl8XbNl.jpg and a repost of said elcan on blk 2 to stay on topic: http://i.imgur.com/Ti3kAZbl.jpg The question is, how much of a useable sight picture are you losing by scooting the Elcan that far forward? The answer is a lot. It really shouldn't even matter. The Elcan doesn't need illumination to utilize the reticle and if the lenses get so damaged you can't use that (in this case you wouldn't be able to use BUIS through it anyway) then there is "emergency sights" on top of the Elcan so you can make do until you can remove it. Basically, using BUIS through the elcan is about one of the most useless things you can do. I agree completely, I was just saying its possible, unlike most 1x traditional scopes |
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Posted: 9/6/2014 10:45:08 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Darkstar117:
"Final Configuration". I'll laugh when I want to change it up. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68320 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68321 How heavy are these setups? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2014 11:49:37 PM EDT
[#37]
There is no way I could shoot with mine that far forward, I hate if I'm an inch too far away.
 20140906_172705_1 by tb5252, on Flickr
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Posted: 9/7/2014 11:06:15 AM EDT
[#38]
i got one coming
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72:
I want an FDE Elcan so bad. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 1:40:08 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skeld:
How heavy are these setups? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skeld:
Originally Posted By Darkstar117:
"Final Configuration". I'll laugh when I want to change it up. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68320 http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=68321 How heavy are these setups? A lot. Scale says 12.0 lbs. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 2:10:42 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
i got one coming Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSOG1:
i got one coming Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
I want an FDE Elcan so bad. I'm jelly |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2014 3:35:40 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72:
I'm jelly Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
i got one coming Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
I want an FDE Elcan so bad. I'm jelly I believe I'm going to get to shoot mine for the first time tomorrow! Im keeping an eye out for a fde MRD mount... |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/7/2014 4:50:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotManJSO:
I believe I'm going to get to shoot mine for the first time tomorrow! Im keeping an eye out for a fde MRD mount... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PatriotManJSO:
Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
Originally Posted By BSOG1:
i got one coming Originally Posted By JBecker_72:
I want an FDE Elcan so bad. I'm jelly I believe I'm going to get to shoot mine for the first time tomorrow! Im keeping an eye out for a fde MRD mount... Good luck! Black has been seen "in the wild" on a SU-230. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 9:08:10 PM EDT
[#43]
Surprised this didn't get a little more attention on here. I know there was a post about it with a few replies a few pages back, but seriously people... civilian legal PEQ-15 is here!
http://tnvc.com/shop/l3-insight-atpial-c-class1-ir-laser/ I dunno about all of you, but that's exactly what I've been waiting for. I was just about to give up on Insight and buy a DBAL, then I come across this. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 9:23:37 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drb022:
Surprised this didn't get a little more attention on here. I know there was a post about it with a few replies a few pages back, but seriously people... civilian legal PEQ-15 is here! http://tnvc.com/shop/l3-insight-atpial-c-class1-ir-laser/ I dunno about all of you, but that's exactly what I've been waiting for. I was just about to give up on Insight and buy a DBAL, then I come across this. It's been mentioned in all the clone threads, along with having its own threads. |
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Posted: 9/7/2014 11:22:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: glamiskid5150]
[#45]
For my former-fellow Block II crew, I put my Tan SU-231 and SU-233 + dual switch on EE. Proceeds from the sales will go to my Arfcom membership purchase
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Posted: 9/8/2014 6:18:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Question for you fellas......continue running my M3X or switch over to a scout? I just purchased one of the civilian peq 15's so it would be kinda cool to have all the Insight do dads hooked up. However, to be honest...I think the scout is a better light. Thoughts?
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Posted: 9/8/2014 8:14:29 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang:
Question for you fellas......continue running my M3X or switch over to a scout? I just purchased one of the civilian peq 15's so it would be kinda cool to have all the Insight do dads hooked up. However, to be honest...I think the scout is a better light. Thoughts? Just buy this: Surefire SR-D-IT Remote Dual Switch for Weaponlight + ATPIAL Laser Device |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 8:52:55 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davebl:
Just buy this: Surefire SR-D-IT Remote Dual Switch for Weaponlight + ATPIAL Laser Device Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By davebl:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Question for you fellas......continue running my M3X or switch over to a scout? I just purchased one of the civilian peq 15's so it would be kinda cool to have all the Insight do dads hooked up. However, to be honest...I think the scout is a better light. Thoughts? Just buy this: Surefire SR-D-IT Remote Dual Switch for Weaponlight + ATPIAL Laser Device The Scout is the better light by far, and with that pressure switch you would be set. |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 8:55:03 AM EDT
[#49]
Insight WMX-200 is where it's at. As bright as surefire, integral strobe, built in IR, really cool mount, yeah these are damn good kit.
http://www.insighttechnology.com/l3-products/vbl-iii-wmx-200 Biggest problem is finding em' |
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Posted: 9/8/2014 9:37:31 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72:
The Scout is the better light by far, and with that pressure switch you would be set. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JBecker_72:
Originally Posted By davebl:
Originally Posted By LongTrang:
Question for you fellas......continue running my M3X or switch over to a scout? I just purchased one of the civilian peq 15's so it would be kinda cool to have all the Insight do dads hooked up. However, to be honest...I think the scout is a better light. Thoughts? Just buy this: Surefire SR-D-IT Remote Dual Switch for Weaponlight + ATPIAL Laser Device The Scout is the better light by far, and with that pressure switch you would be set. This is the setup I think I will be going with. Thinking of running the scout on a Gear Sector mount. |
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