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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2018 5:20:33 PM EDT
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Need everyone’s thoughts. I’m trying to build a 15.1". Should I buy a barrel and send it to Adco for a chop and contour or have CLE cut me a new one to 15.1"?
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Posted: 7/16/2018 5:25:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87:
Need everyone’s thoughts. I’m trying to build a 15.1". Should I buy a barrel and send it to Adco for a chop and contour or have CLE cut me a new one to 15.1"? I may be changing up things again (I know I have issues) and my 15.x" may not work on the new build so I may be unloading mine if so. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2018 5:30:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87:
Need everyone’s thoughts. I’m trying to build a 15.1". Should I buy a barrel and send it to Adco for a chop and contour or have CLE cut me a new one to 15.1"? ADCO re-creates perfection. Buy a barrel from CLE and then there's no need for a face lift from ADCO. Oh and what's up with this ballin' recce thread.....I see some folks have been busy while I was incognito.... 
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Posted: 7/16/2018 5:32:31 PM EDT
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2018 5:38:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Depends on what barrel you would send to Adco for the chop as the cut/thread and re-contour can get pricey. If CLE doesn't charge too much to revise one of their own then I'd stick with them. I'll tell you that my CLE Douglas has been an absolute stud of a barrel. I bought mine as a 16" and used for a while before sending to Adco for the chop. It shot very well in either case. I may be changing up things again (I know I have issues) and my 15.x" may not work on the new build so I may be unloading mine if so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Depends on what barrel you would send to Adco for the chop as the cut/thread and re-contour can get pricey. If CLE doesn't charge too much to revise one of their own then I'd stick with them. I'll tell you that my CLE Douglas has been an absolute stud of a barrel. I bought mine as a 16" and used for a while before sending to Adco for the chop. It shot very well in either case. I may be changing up things again (I know I have issues) and my 15.x" may not work on the new build so I may be unloading mine if so. Originally Posted By 5pt56:
CLE builds perfection. ADCO re-creates perfection. Buy a barrel from CLE and then there's no need for a face lift from ADCO. Oh and what's up with this ballin' recce thread.....I see some folks have been busy while I was incognito.... |
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2018 9:50:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
[#6]
First one to chop it, nerds.
  
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2018 11:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
First one to chop it, nerds. http://i.imgur.com/M1ZQMCN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GKQR1Fp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RsCbSnZ.jpg 
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2018 11:26:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
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@Eyekahn
Since this is your thread, is it exclusive to the FF RAS guns, or are we calling other NSW scoped M4-type rifles "Recces?" ....have a couple pics no one has seen before... |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 6:53:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
@Eyekahn Since this is your thread, is it exclusive to the FF RAS guns, or are we calling other NSW scoped M4-type rifles "Recces?" ....have a couple pics no one has seen before... Drop knowledge on us! |
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USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 6:53:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
First one to chop it, nerds. http://i.imgur.com/M1ZQMCN.jpg http://i.imgur.com/GKQR1Fp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RsCbSnZ.jpg |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 7:32:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Since this is your thread, is it exclusive to the FF RAS guns, or are we calling other NSW scoped M4-type rifles "Recces?" ....have a couple pics no one has seen before... |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 8:44:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Infidel4life11]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
CLE builds perfection. ADCO re-creates perfection. Buy a barrel from CLE and then there's no need for a face lift from ADCO. Oh and what's up with this ballin' recce thread.....I see some folks have been busy while I was incognito.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By Rothperson87:
Need everyone’s thoughts. I’m trying to build a 15.1". Should I buy a barrel and send it to Adco for a chop and contour or have CLE cut me a new one to 15.1"? ADCO re-creates perfection. Buy a barrel from CLE and then there's no need for a face lift from ADCO. Oh and what's up with this ballin' recce thread.....I see some folks have been busy while I was incognito.... +3 for CLE. I talked to Frank and he worked up my 14.5” mid length ops inc on a douglas blank and it’s been amazing. ETA: I believe Dobs is running a CLE also on his gangster RECCE |
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USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 9:31:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
CLE builds perfection. ADCO re-creates perfection. Buy a barrel from CLE and then there's no need for a face lift from ADCO. Oh and what's up with this ballin' recce thread.....I see some folks have been busy while I was incognito.... 
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USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 11:03:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
[#14]
These setups are pretty much widely known about now.
But these aren't...Mk18 Mod 1 lowers, LMT DMR buttstock, commercial DD upper with Slim Rail 12.0, midlength gas barrel, 4 prong. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 1:03:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
These setups are pretty much widely known about now. http://i.imgur.com/IwhTuxy.jpg But these aren't...Mk18 Mod 1 lowers, LMT DMR buttstock, commercial DD upper with Slim Rail 12.0, midlength gas barrel, 4 prong. http://i.imgur.com/M0lMsjZ.jpg |
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USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 1:35:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: usnguns]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: What’s the background on these? Who was testing/using them? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 4:43:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
2015. West Coast NSW. The amount of weird and random shit that never gets photographed is vast. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 4:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: My eyes kind of hurt now. Glad they 86’d those. |
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Posted: 7/17/2018 5:08:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
Who says they did?  
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/17/2018 6:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
For the prosperity of this thread, let us assume they did. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 1:14:27 PM EDT
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Sooooooo much better!!
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Posted: 7/18/2018 1:34:48 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 2:09:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLooks so good!
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USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 2:39:56 PM EDT
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Thank you Sirs! It's been a long road to this point but this configuration, at least saying this without shooting it yet, is about perfect!
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Posted: 7/18/2018 4:54:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usnguns:
These setups are pretty much widely known about now. http://i.imgur.com/IwhTuxy.jpg But these aren't...Mk18 Mod 1 lowers, LMT DMR buttstock, commercial DD upper with Slim Rail 12.0, midlength gas barrel, 4 prong. http://i.imgur.com/M0lMsjZ.jpg That stock seems like an odd choice. Who's gonna clone one? Haha |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 6:22:08 PM EDT
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Help me with the KAC rail. I'm interested in the SEAL recce specs, to the extent they can be known.
There seem to be several variations of the FF RAS and I'm not sure what is authentic and what is "good enough." I'm building m Recce around the Lilja 16" M4 Navy barrel with the KAC M4QD Flash Hider for its N4 suppressor. What rail model number is authentic? I know it has to be a KAC FF RAS, but it seems that the authentic ones are labeled "M4 Match." It is a 12" FF quad with the KAC rails on three sides. What I can find appears identical other than it is labeled differently. It has SKU part number 21318 and is listed most places as KAC Mk12 Mod 1. This is obviously for the Mk12 Mod 1 build. Are they identical beyond labels? How clone correct must it be to run on the Navy SEAL recce? |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 6:34:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MS556:
Help me with the KAC rail. I'm interested in the SEAL recce specs, to the extent they can be known. There seem to be several variations of the FF RAS and I'm not sure what is authentic and what is "good enough." I'm building m Recce around the Lilja 16" M4 Navy barrel with the KAC M4QD Flash Hider for its N4 suppressor. What rail model number is authentic? I know it has to be a KAC FF RAS, but it seems that the authentic ones are labeled "M4 Match." It is a 12" FF quad with the KAC rails on three sides. What I can find appears identical other than it is labeled differently. It has SKU part number 21318 and is listed most places as KAC Mk12 Mod 1. This is obviously for the Mk12 Mod 1 build. Are they identical beyond labels? How clone correct must it be to run on the Navy SEAL recce? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 7:21:12 PM EDT
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Mine as it sits now.
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MS, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 8:35:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
What you have found is the current production rail that you'll want. Sometimes companies label it as the MK12 mod 1 rail because it is the same rail. Just like the SAM-R which uses that rail. The one you have identified as being labeled as M4 match most likely also has Vero Beach and would be the historically accurate rail however that would be a feat to find and most likely twice the dough of the current production. I'll post a pic here soon and it is the current production model rail and is good to go. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 8:46:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MS556: Thank you. If it physically identical and from KAC I can live with that. My Lilja barrel is new (well, been running it recce-ish for a year or so). I'd just like to be a bit more true to form. FWIW, with match component handloads that barrel is sub 1/2 MOA. I just added the KAC flash hider to mount the N4. I'll place the order for the rail. Much appreciated. |
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Posted: 7/18/2018 8:57:34 PM EDT
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What barrel length is this? I would think it’s a 16” Lilja but just wanted to make sure. Looking at possibly cloning it.
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USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 9:00:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes:
What barrel length is this? I would think it’s a 16” Lilja but just wanted to make sure. Looking at possibly cloning it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/414212/EC01B2EC-8933-466B-AB9C-6A8553AEF64F-612213.JPG |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/18/2018 9:11:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BOONEA:
Mine as it sits now. https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37336457_10156228502127626_6370137893897240576_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=55e5ad24c84f7106f05b1ea08e3bef9b&oe=5BCBCCEE |
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Posted: 7/19/2018 12:21:38 AM EDT
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MS, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2018 6:35:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MS556]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes:
What barrel length is this? I would think it’s a 16” Lilja but just wanted to make sure. Looking at possibly cloning it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/414212/EC01B2EC-8933-466B-AB9C-6A8553AEF64F-612213.JPG |
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USA
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Posted: 7/19/2018 6:50:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes:
What barrel length is this? I would think it’s a 16” Lilja but just wanted to make sure. Looking at possibly cloning it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/414212/EC01B2EC-8933-466B-AB9C-6A8553AEF64F-612213.JPG |
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USA
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Posted: 7/20/2018 7:56:23 PM EDT
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Christened the recce today, name is fitting
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Posted: 7/20/2018 8:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
Christened the recce today, name is fitting
https://i.imgur.com/DULTyTV.jpg |
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USA
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Posted: 7/20/2018 8:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11: You’re damn right it is
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Posted: 7/20/2018 10:07:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
Christened the recce today, name is fitting
https://i.imgur.com/DULTyTV.jpg |
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Posted: 7/20/2018 10:29:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
Christened the recce today, name is fitting
https://i.imgur.com/DULTyTV.jpg How do you like the Vortex FH? I have one I planned on having P&W to mount an AEM5 and was wondering if the ping was as bad as people say. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 4:35:45 AM EDT
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Would a LMT MRP with a NF 2.5-10 X 42 be "worthy" as a starting point? Or a LaRue OBR with the same scope? I am seriously considering installing an A1 stock on the LaRue...
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USA
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Posted: 7/21/2018 6:08:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: @Dobs013 How do you like the Vortex FH? I have one I planned on having P&W to mount an AEM5 and was wondering if the ping was as bad as people say. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 6:32:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 77Bronc:
Would a LMT MRP with a NF 2.5-10 X 42 be "worthy" as a starting point? Or a LaRue OBR with the same scope? I am seriously considering installing an A1 stock on the LaRue... 77 |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2018 7:43:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 77Bronc:
Would a LMT MRP with a NF 2.5-10 X 42 be "worthy" as a starting point? Or a LaRue OBR with the same scope? I am seriously considering installing an A1 stock on the LaRue... 77 |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 8:22:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eMc9001]
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Just saw this: https://ballisticadvantage.com/16-inch-556-midlength-non-threaded-cmv-modern-barrel.html Wondering if it would be a good cheap one to send to ADCO. I already have my Douglas but a spare never hurt and it come's unthreaded so they are choppin it anyways. All my BA barrel's have shot great.
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Posted: 7/21/2018 8:37:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001:
Just saw this: https://ballisticadvantage.com/16-inch-556-midlength-non-threaded-cmv-modern-barrel.html Wondering if it would be a good cheap one to send to ADCO. I already have my Douglas but a spare never hurt and it come's unthreaded so they are choppin it anyways. All my BA barrel's have shot great. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 8:45:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: I’m sure it’s a nice barrel but I prefer stainless and heavier profile for a more precision oriented rig like the recce platform. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 9:30:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: That's what I'm running for this build, CLE Douglas Recon. Just figured it would be a nice cheap one for shit's and giggles. Less than 100rds fired and a little spray paint on it, I'll sell it for $120 shipped if you are interested. 
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Posted: 7/21/2018 9:36:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11: @eMc9001 I have BA's 16" mid-length Stainless with the opc inc contour Link and it shot really well. I originally had it on my recce before switching to a M4 Socom barrel. Less than 100rds fired and a little spray paint on it, I'll sell it for $120 shipped if you are interested. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/2018-01-13_11_13_30-418971.jpg |
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