*double post because im retarded

Link broken.  Looks good though.

Thanks mate. Not sure why the fuck the link isn't working.

Vari-X III in the EE if anyone is looking, decent price.  Not mine, just letting folks know.

After a couple outings with mine, no regrets here either. None

So were there any variations in slings and sling mounts in the wild that there’s photo evidence of? My Eagle Tas-1 came in today, and I only bought it to be clone correct. And I have to say, it’s a fairly miserable sling to use. Please tell me there’s other options lol

That's 3.5-15x50?  I always have a hard time wrapping my head around how much rail space these take up.  I couldn't pass up my clearance-marked Leupold Mk4 for $900 last year, but man, I want a NF.

Yep. 3.5-15x50 F1.

Do it.

If i ditch my mod 0 and glass, the big nf is going on the mod 1.

Helping spousal unit with a business project featuring more.....mk12

Found a Mk12 still out in the hills using a M16A1 lower.  Pics to follow later.

CD

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Does have a SSF trigger.

CD

That is one salty gal! Thanks for the pics CD

*ETA: warms my heart to see one still in action

Anyone have any ideas on the in-the-wild sling options for this?

Awesome. How long had it been since you'd seen one before?

About 4 yrs.

CD

Just get a Vickers sling from BFG, they are really good.  Got them on all my rifles.

Yeah I already have one on my HD rifle. I was trying to be clone correct

I'd put damn good money on a Vickers being ran on one. A large number of troops shit can the issued sling as soon as they deploy.

Two posts above you is one with a VTAC.

I couldn't disagree more. I had the x32 first then got an identical x24. Using them side by side the difference was a non issue for me. I feel like I get as sloppy as the scope will allow but maybe I'm just use to optics with unforgiving eye boxes (Elcan DR) . I'll gladly take the smaller package of the x24 given the choice. I've only looked at the x42 but for the size only 10x magnification and no parallax it seems to be going the wrong direction.

The x42 has parallax adjustment and digital illumination. The x32 is pretty much obsolete at this point as the x42 weighs only 1.5 oz more and is actually shorter in length. I really wish he x24 worked out for me as it is a cool piece of gear but I couldn't settle in the optics department for the sake of looking cool.

As issued - Eagle TAS-1 UMSS (inc. KAC 97027 aka 98721)

It includes silencing extension straps and is a fine sling if you learn how to actually use it.  Most people just want something a little more simple and I can't fault them there.

So I've had a burning question that only a few people will really be able to answer... are Douglas 1:8 twist barrels correct for the clone or not?  Keep reading before you snap a reply up...

I totally understand that 1:7 twist is the accepted clone standard (and is what the Mod 0/1 operator's manual lists), but I've seen at least 2-3 unicorn sales that seem to indicate 1:8 was used as well (in the early SPR rifles).  Case in point:

Original Mk12 Mod 0 upper on EE

What I'm looking for is for one (or more) of the guys who own the PRI-sold SOF uppers to chime in with what they actually received from PRI.  I'm pretty sure with a you'd be able to read the barrel marking through one of the vent holes on the hand-guard with a flashlight and a little patience.

So cool to see these old uppers on those ancient lowers still in service. @Combat_Diver, can you tell us what outfit that sucker's still circulating in?

Thanks for posting!

I didn't remember the X42 having parallax adjustment, that makes it a little more useful. I'd say all the 2.5-10x NXS scopes along with the Leupold 2.5-8x and 3.5-10x are obsolete, the new 1-x variables like the two NF and the CQBSS made sure of that.

I’ll jump ship once a 1-10x42 comes out but I’m the meantime I’ll enjoy 4mm exit pupils.

Not that it matters too much....kinda does. I called leupold yesterday to inquire about the TS-30 or possible MK4 line being reintroduced or if they even have any they would still sell. I was told they’re contemplating releasing a small batch in the near future. Not word when though. I wouldn’t be surprised if I missed this a few pages back either.

I highly regret selling mine last year. (Entire proper MOD 1 upper with TS-30)

The question would be, was that upper from PRI themselves and an actual contract unit, or perhaps a Vince Jiga unit built with an actual Gen I handguard someone got their hands on? If it's the latter, there's a chance the barrel isn't a contract unit even though he was building contract uppers at various points.

I'm not sure how to go about looking at the issued upper, I don't have a borescope or anything and one might understand my apprehension regarding pulling the ARMS sleeve and handguard, as that requires basically disassembling the upper.

Actually, you can tell that upper would have to be a Jiga or later upper, look at the vent holes and their distance from the side rail/top rail:


Compare to the issued SPR upper and Minuteman's oddball Gen I hybridy upper:
Gen I oddball vs Gen I Issued SPR upper by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr

And further compared with a Gen II handguard built upper, which I think ZakkAirborne now has:
PB18035801 by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr

@lancecriminal86

I understand what you're saying about the spacing however I almost had the upper in reference and exchanged emails with @Helojumper2001 about this upper and it was specifically from PRI and as I understood it, built during the contract time period. I would want Helojumper to confirm that I understood our email exchanges correctly however.

I also understand that the gen II handguards had 3 primary configurations. 3 button, 4 button and no button screw configurations as well as several being spaced differently (read drilled by hand) prior to settling on the mass produced (yet time period correct) handguards. All of which I'm sure you are completely aware of.

I think you're a bit confused.

There were PRI handguards used during the SPR prototype timeframe which looked quite different from what you see on the early SPR.

The kind on the issued SPR pictured above is what we commonly refer to as "Gen I". It's the Gen I that appeared in various configs, some with no visible button or set screws, some with 3 button heads, and some with 4. They have no heatshields, and no side rail mounting holes. They have one lower vent hole near the barrel nut. Their handguard collars are "stepped" and have a ribbed look about them.

The Gen II, as pictured in my post with the tan/brown camo, had an altered design. There was no lower vent hole near the barrel nut, the vent holes were further towards top/bottom than Gen I, there were side holes present for mounting additional rail sections, there were heatshields present, the length was different, and the handguard collar was flat with a hole in it.

There were a number of handguards made with some in-between features, where they retained the lower vent hole but also had Gen II features added like the side holes and the heat shields. The one linked in that sale appears to be one of those in-between patterns where the vent holes were Gen II style but it had no side rail holes. It seems related to that bare CF upper I posted however that one is again an odball, with an oversized handguard diameter. It looks like someone added the button head screws in the same fashion as the issued uppers had due to weakness issues and for some as a result of applying the KalGard tan coating which required baking (and likely affected the epoxy that holds the handguard threading into the CF tube".

I emailed with Helojumper long ago trying to suss out some of these odball Gen I/II hybrid rails.

The 80+ image gallery I keep of original, issued SPR rifles is consistent with what I posted above, and the green camo issued upper that I'm currently the caretaker of. Unless that listed upper was built with the intent of fulfilling a contract order sometime in 2001 or 2002 by which time SOCOM was already looking at the Mod 1 and PRI was redesigning their parts, then I don't think it's of the same provenance as the issued uppers. Is it possible a PRI employee or someone working the contract built it with some of the later parts as they were transitioning through Gen I to II to III somewhere in 2002-2003? That sounds likely. But by that time Mod 1s were coming online and it doesn't seem that those early pattern uppers were being ordered, rather the eventual Gen III ones were. I have a feeling by the time that upper was built they already knew they weren't going to need those parts for contract rifles, thus they let them be used for customer builds like those Vince Jiga built.

Lol, not the first time I've been confused and certainly not the last!!

Thanks for all the additional details and information! What you're saying clicked and makes a lot of sense. After reading again and going through the emails I was referring to I'm fairly certain you are correct. Thanks again for the added clarity.

So back to the original question... 1/8 twist barrels? Lol.

Anyone want to do a manual check the old fashion rod and rag and get a twist count?

Beautiful! PFFFFFFT!

Brad

Can only say that it an active duty SF group.

CD

As others have guessed VTac sling.  I've go another picture and higher res of those pictures.  Will posted them in another day or two.

CD

Any reason in particular they're still running a Mk12? Is it doing something a Block II with glass isn't? At this point the "why" and stories behind it is more interesting than the "what".

Roger that; I figured as much.

Hey guys, quick question. There are two versions of the PRI 8.5” rail, right? Which is “correct” for the Mod H 6 o’clock rail?

Thanks all.

You're referring to lug vs no lug?  No lug is correct for bottom rail - lugged version is for top rail to anchor sleeve's to.

Awesome, thanks!

Tell him I'll trade him a brand-new, unfired Mod1 for his upper and non lever stop #22s.  

I keep tell'n y'all those #22s are trash.

Does anyone have teardrop FAs in stock?

Going big green this time around... a bit dark but should lighten up a bit as it dries I suspect.  JBWeld'd Ambi markings worked out well too.

Aervoe Field Drab and Marine Corp Green.  I'm also getting lazy, I used to tape up the trigger and sights/posts bit but this time just covered scope makings basically and spray'd away.

Bro

Your rings on the mk6

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Numrich

Both sides are like that, I dunno. 34mm KAC mount, beats me.

Very nice! I like it!

Brad

I just noticed last week my #22's had some rock in them. It was in the dovetail where the ring meets the base. I was thinking WTF? I don't remember them moving like that at all. Ended up epoxying them in. No more jiggy jiggy!

Brad