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NJ, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2024 6:58:44 AM EDT
Was looking on the PA site yesterday, and noticed their GLX 2.5-10 is discontinued. I've been very close to buying this scope a few times as it fits in that sweet spot for something reasonably light with FFP and a good ranging reticle. Terrific choice for a scope under $1k for an AR15 with a focus on a bit longer range. It has it's down sides too with a somewhat narrow FOV and some don't like their chevron based reticle.
Any word on if PA is replacing this with something updated? I do hope they keep the form factor similar, with low weight and fix the things like the small'ish FOV. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2024 8:49:37 AM EDT
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With the resurgence of MPVO, my guess is a plx and slx to better round out that segment. DLO might have the skinny or be able to get it.
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Posted: 8/15/2024 9:03:24 AM EDT
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I had the same question.
They also discontinued their glx 4-16x but their glx 3-18x is almost 50% heavier iirc and has markedly poor reviews compared to the 4-16x. When i asked in their industry forum they said they have new stuff coming out soon, which i assume would be their same answer to your question about the decidedly popular 2.5-10x. This was their answer last month: "We are working on some new products that will be in this range in the near future, stay tuned and sign up for our email blast for new products release updates!" |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2024 9:55:43 AM EDT
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That’s too bad. It filled a sweet spot for magnification, weight, feature set, and decent glass.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2024 10:01:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KalmanPhilter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: I had the same question. They also discontinued their glx 4-16x but their glx 3-18x is almost 50% heavier iirc and has markedly poor reviews compared to the 4-16x. When i asked in their industry forum they said they have new stuff coming out soon, which i assume would be their same answer to your question about the decidedly popular 2.5-10x. This was their answer last month: "We are working on some new products that will be in this range in the near future, stay tuned and sign up for our email blast for new products release updates!" The 3-18 are actually 6-18 lens systems with a half power lens to get a pseudo-3X. That’s why their exit pupils don’t hit the large openings a native 3X would achieve. Thus they are darker & heavier & possibly poorer field of view than the 4-16. Unfortunately too many optics are made for easy specs marketing and bought by people who never shoot outside of bright light at a bench at 100 yards. |
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Posted: 8/15/2024 12:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: The 3-18 are actually 6-18 lens systems with a half power lens to get a pseudo-3X. That's why their exit pupils don't hit the large openings a native 3X would achieve. Thus they are darker & heavier & possibly poorer field of view than the 4-16. Unfortunately too many optics are made for easy specs marketing and bought by people who never shoot outside of bright light at a bench at 100 yards. I guess we'll see what the next offering looks like. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/15/2024 4:35:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Blems/open box models are available at PA currently.
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Posted: 8/15/2024 7:19:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: The 3-18 are actually 6-18 lens systems with a half power lens to get a pseudo-3X. That’s why their exit pupils don’t hit the large openings a native 3X would achieve. Thus they are darker & heavier & possibly poorer field of view than the 4-16. Unfortunately too many optics are made for easy specs marketing and bought by people who never shoot outside of bright light at a bench at 100 yards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: Originally Posted By Daggertt: I had the same question. They also discontinued their glx 4-16x but their glx 3-18x is almost 50% heavier iirc and has markedly poor reviews compared to the 4-16x. When i asked in their industry forum they said they have new stuff coming out soon, which i assume would be their same answer to your question about the decidedly popular 2.5-10x. This was their answer last month: "We are working on some new products that will be in this range in the near future, stay tuned and sign up for our email blast for new products release updates!" The 3-18 are actually 6-18 lens systems with a half power lens to get a pseudo-3X. That’s why their exit pupils don’t hit the large openings a native 3X would achieve. Thus they are darker & heavier & possibly poorer field of view than the 4-16. Unfortunately too many optics are made for easy specs marketing and bought by people who never shoot outside of bright light at a bench at 100 yards. I’ve got that 3-18 and it’s ok but doesn’t really blow my hair back. That actually explains a lot. |
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Posted: 8/16/2024 9:36:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gman556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: I’ve got that 3-18 and it’s ok but doesn’t really blow my hair back. That actually explains a lot. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: Originally Posted By KalmanPhilter: Originally Posted By Daggertt: I had the same question. They also discontinued their glx 4-16x but their glx 3-18x is almost 50% heavier iirc and has markedly poor reviews compared to the 4-16x. When i asked in their industry forum they said they have new stuff coming out soon, which i assume would be their same answer to your question about the decidedly popular 2.5-10x. This was their answer last month: "We are working on some new products that will be in this range in the near future, stay tuned and sign up for our email blast for new products release updates!" The 3-18 are actually 6-18 lens systems with a half power lens to get a pseudo-3X. That’s why their exit pupils don’t hit the large openings a native 3X would achieve. Thus they are darker & heavier & possibly poorer field of view than the 4-16. Unfortunately too many optics are made for easy specs marketing and bought by people who never shoot outside of bright light at a bench at 100 yards. I’ve got that 3-18 and it’s ok but doesn’t really blow my hair back. That actually explains a lot. I remember a member here that used to work for them telling me that they did something similar when they came out with their SLX 1-8 where they just squeezed everything into their 1-6 SLX to get to 8x. I tried one when they first came out before he told me this and it made sense because it was absolute muddy garbage to look through. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2024 5:08:34 PM EDT
[#9]
Oh I hope they come out with a 2-10 PLx, I've asked them on multiple occasions.
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Posted: 8/19/2024 10:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: The 3-18 are actually 6-18 lens systems with a half power lens to get a pseudo-3X. That’s why their exit pupils don’t hit the large openings a native 3X would achieve. Thus they are darker & heavier & possibly poorer field of view than the 4-16. Unfortunately too many optics are made for easy specs marketing and bought by people who never shoot outside of bright light at a bench at 100 yards. Yikes, the whole GLx line has been a let down. Nice turrents on a subpar optical system. |
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Posted: 8/19/2024 11:20:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Feuerhand]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trey-W: Yikes, the whole GLx line has been a let down. Nice turrents on a subpar optical system. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trey-W: Yikes, the whole GLx line has been a let down. Nice turrents on a subpar optical system. Not to mention the turrets are paired with a reticle that makes dialing for elevation pointless because you lose your windage stadia. I know PA has a hardon for chevrons but c'mon, did anyone actually shoot this scope at distance before they shipped them? Originally Posted By HotelBravo: Oh I hope they come out with a 2-10 PLx, I've asked them on multiple occasions. That would be excellent. ETA: formatting |
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USA
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Posted: 8/20/2024 8:27:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sparky-kb]
[#12]
There's one on the EE. That's where I got mine about 2 weeks ago.
I'm sure what they're coming out with will be nice, but I wanted the GLx 2.5-10 for my 18 inch 5.56 "SPR" so that's what I got  |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/21/2024 9:45:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trey-W: Yikes, the whole GLx line has been a let down. Nice turrents on a subpar optical system. The GLx 6-24 and 2.5-10 are decent glass and performance for the price. Four times (or less) zoom lens systems are usually just simpler. I don’t see most people buying these as dusk or dawn hunting scopes. At low magnification the exit pupil is generally large enough. Old eyes tend to need better glass / light transmission. PA mostly has been steadily improving. I’m optimistic. |
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Posted: 8/23/2024 8:17:55 PM EDT
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Specifically the GLx 2.5-10 is one of my favorite little scopes. I think its optics and mag range work great together. Pretty light and the thing is durable.
The glx 3-18x and the lpvo were a disappointment though, prettty gross on the higher mag I don’t know what those of you are complaining about the turrets, I liked the design, simple to set zero stop etc, clicky enough, track fine. I dial elevation Depending on what I’m doing. I like the reticle, I can deal with the chevron but yeah it’s not preferred. Hope they are doing a PLX 2-10 that’d be rad. If it was close to the same size and weight just premiumized, I’d buy 2 |
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Posted: 8/24/2024 5:56:58 PM EDT
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I really wish PA didn’t insist on the chevron as the aiming point for everything they do. It’s small in the scheme of things but the chevron on a precision optic absolutely irks me. Their lineup would be so much nicer if they just had a floating center dot instead.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/25/2024 8:10:01 AM EDT
[#16]
I totally agree and do not like Chevrons at all for my precision builds and wish Primary Arms would give dot only options for non-chevron variants. Besides the chevron which I despise the scopes are a good value for the money imo.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 1:07:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroEngineer]
[#17]
A GLX scope with the same glass, same turrets, 2-10 or 2-12 magnification and getting rid of the stupid chevron reticle would be awesome.
Seeing what happened with the POS that’s the 3-18, I don’t know. Could be a great new optic or it could have a bunch of people longing for the 2.5-10. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:42:27 PM EDT
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What’s the consensus on the glx 4-16?
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Posted: 8/26/2024 3:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duck_Hunt: What’s the consensus on the glx 4-16? I have one and I really like it. Outside the dumb chevron. Which in the scheme of things is small, but still dumb. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 6:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: I have one and I really like it. Outside the dumb chevron. Which in the scheme of things is small, but still dumb. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: What’s the consensus on the glx 4-16? I have one and I really like it. Outside the dumb chevron. Which in the scheme of things is small, but still dumb. Thanks for the info. I’m looking for a used scope to put on a Jesusmoor I recently picked up. That model glx is on my short list. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:41:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alien]
[#21]
This is interesting. I wound up just getting an Athlon Helos BTR Gen II 2-12x42 a while back because the Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10 was never in stock. I actually liked the idea of the chevron on Primary Arm's Griffin reticle more and I know the Athlon is not considered to be quite in the same tier, but it's been wonderful for me so far and the extra magnification can't hurt.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:46:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -OdieGreen-]
[#22]
Add me to the list if people who doesn’t think chevrons have a place in higher magnification optics. Hell I still like a really fine crosshair for that matter.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 9:51:08 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: This is interesting. I wound up just getting an Athlon Helos BTR Gen II 2-12x42 a while back because the Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10 was never in stock. I actually liked the idea of the chevron on Primary Arm's Griffin reticle more and I know the Athlon is not considered to be quite in the same tier, but it's been wonderful for me so far and the extra magnification can't hurt. It seems like the only ~2-10x options anymore are the Credo without parallax adjustment and the heavy Vortex without locking turrets. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:10:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: This is interesting. I wound up just getting an Athlon Helos BTR Gen II 2-12x42 a while back because the Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10 was never in stock. I actually liked the idea of the chevron on Primary Arm's Griffin reticle more and I know the Athlon is not considered to be quite in the same tier, but it's been wonderful for me so far and the extra magnification can't hurt. I prefer my Helos over my PAs. It’s a great scope more than what the price would imply. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 10:47:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alien]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: The mil reticle Helos 2-12x hasn't been available for purchase anywhere either recently. It seems like the only ~2-10x options anymore are the Credo without parallax adjustment and the heavy Vortex without locking turrets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By Alien: This is interesting. I wound up just getting an Athlon Helos BTR Gen II 2-12x42 a while back because the Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10 was never in stock. I actually liked the idea of the chevron on Primary Arm's Griffin reticle more and I know the Athlon is not considered to be quite in the same tier, but it's been wonderful for me so far and the extra magnification can't hurt. It seems like the only ~2-10x options anymore are the Credo without parallax adjustment and the heavy Vortex without locking turrets.  https://www.opticsplanet.com/athlon-optics-helos-btr-gen2-2-12x42mm-riflescopes-w-ahmr2-ffp-ir-mil-reticle.html Originally Posted By doty_soty: Originally Posted By Alien: This is interesting. I wound up just getting an Athlon Helos BTR Gen II 2-12x42 a while back because the Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10 was never in stock. I actually liked the idea of the chevron on Primary Arm's Griffin reticle more and I know the Athlon is not considered to be quite in the same tier, but it's been wonderful for me so far and the extra magnification can't hurt. I prefer my Helos over my PAs. It's a great scope more than what the price would imply. 
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:37:41 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: That really sucks. It is a hell of a scope for the money, and I'm very happy with mine. I bought my MIL model back in February from OpticsPlanet. The surprising thing was the scope I bought came with the sunshade and throw lever which I thought I had to buy separately (and did buy and had to return after I realized I already had them). Right now it's not in stock there either but shows availability within 14 days. If it's not in stock however, who knows when it will actually ship. https://www.opticsplanet.com/athlon-optics-helos-btr-gen2-2-12x42mm-riflescopes-w-ahmr2-ffp-ir-mil-reticle.html Sounds like I made the right decision then. I'm not sure what the deal is with the Helos 2-12x, but I was looking to pick one up recently and I mean they simply aren't available ANYWHERE (mil reticle). I mean, including ebay, and all of the random drop shippers or small shops online. Oh well. Maybe PA's newer offerings replacing the 2.5-10x and 4-16x won't be as disappointing as their most recent lineup of 3-18x and 4.5-27x 34mm 30oz behemoths that don't even perform well. Fingers crossed. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:59:15 PM EDT
[#27]
If you can get past the reticle, the Steiner H6Xi is another 2-12x option
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:20:47 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luny421: If you can get past the cough... yeah, at that price, you're talking about a whole different category of optic than a $400 Athlon or $600 PA.  Attached File |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:28:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Opticsplanet says the PA 2.5-10x, which we know is discontinued, will ship out by March 2025. I'm not sure what the deal is with the Helos 2-12x, but I was looking to pick one up recently and I mean they simply aren't available ANYWHERE (mil reticle). I mean, including ebay, and all of the random drop shippers or small shops online. Oh well. Maybe PA's newer offerings replacing the 2.5-10x and 4-16x won't be as disappointing as their most recent lineup of 3-18x and 4.5-27x 34mm 30oz behemoths that don't even perform well. Fingers crossed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By Alien: That really sucks. It is a hell of a scope for the money, and I'm very happy with mine. I bought my MIL model back in February from OpticsPlanet. The surprising thing was the scope I bought came with the sunshade and throw lever which I thought I had to buy separately (and did buy and had to return after I realized I already had them). Right now it's not in stock there either but shows availability within 14 days. If it's not in stock however, who knows when it will actually ship. https://www.opticsplanet.com/athlon-optics-helos-btr-gen2-2-12x42mm-riflescopes-w-ahmr2-ffp-ir-mil-reticle.html Sounds like I made the right decision then. I'm not sure what the deal is with the Helos 2-12x, but I was looking to pick one up recently and I mean they simply aren't available ANYWHERE (mil reticle). I mean, including ebay, and all of the random drop shippers or small shops online. Oh well. Maybe PA's newer offerings replacing the 2.5-10x and 4-16x won't be as disappointing as their most recent lineup of 3-18x and 4.5-27x 34mm 30oz behemoths that don't even perform well. Fingers crossed. The Athlon Helos 2-12 MRAD has been available again in the last few days. I’ve received “back in stock” emails from four different places so far. Midway and Cameralandny being two of them. I went ahead and ordered one the other day. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:26:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroEngineer]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stater61: The Athlon Helos 2-12 MRAD has been available again in the last few days. I’ve received “back in stock” emails from four different places so far. Midway and Cameralandny being two of them. I went ahead and ordered one the other day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stater61: Originally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By Alien: That really sucks. It is a hell of a scope for the money, and I'm very happy with mine. I bought my MIL model back in February from OpticsPlanet. The surprising thing was the scope I bought came with the sunshade and throw lever which I thought I had to buy separately (and did buy and had to return after I realized I already had them). Right now it's not in stock there either but shows availability within 14 days. If it's not in stock however, who knows when it will actually ship. https://www.opticsplanet.com/athlon-optics-helos-btr-gen2-2-12x42mm-riflescopes-w-ahmr2-ffp-ir-mil-reticle.html Sounds like I made the right decision then. I'm not sure what the deal is with the Helos 2-12x, but I was looking to pick one up recently and I mean they simply aren't available ANYWHERE (mil reticle). I mean, including ebay, and all of the random drop shippers or small shops online. Oh well. Maybe PA's newer offerings replacing the 2.5-10x and 4-16x won't be as disappointing as their most recent lineup of 3-18x and 4.5-27x 34mm 30oz behemoths that don't even perform well. Fingers crossed. The Athlon Helos 2-12 MRAD has been available again in the last few days. I’ve received “back in stock” emails from four different places so far. Midway and Cameralandny being two of them. I went ahead and ordered one the other day. I just ordered another Helos MIL 2-12. I have used a Helos on an 18” AR for a few years, and it performed really well this summer out to 600 yards. I wanted to try the PA Glx 2.5-10 as I’d heard the glass was an improvement and clarity at 600 yards was a minor issue with the Helos. Ultimately I decided not to wait whatever years PA will take to replace this spot in their lineup. oh well. I don’t understand the business model of “we make a 2.5-10 they’d well regarded in the mid price range, so let’s stop making that”. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:38:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stater61: The Athlon Helos 2-12 MRAD has been available again in the last few days. I've received "back in stock" emails from four different places so far. Midway and Cameralandny being two of them. I went ahead and ordered one the other day. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 4:23:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Alien]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: ugh i just ordered a swampfox kentucky long 2-12x. I guess I'll have to get both and see which one I like best. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By stater61: The Athlon Helos 2-12 MRAD has been available again in the last few days. I've received "back in stock" emails from four different places so far. Midway and Cameralandny being two of them. I went ahead and ordered one the other day.  Best SPR Scopes For Under $1000  The Cheapest SPR Scope Worth A Damn | Athlon Helos 2-12x  Athlon Helos BTR II 2-12x42 AHMR2 FFP Reticle - New Mid-Budget Champ? |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:04:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: ugh i just ordered a swampfox kentucky long 2-12x. I guess I'll have to get both and see which one I like best. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Originally Posted By stater61: The Athlon Helos 2-12 MRAD has been available again in the last few days. I've received "back in stock" emails from four different places so far. Midway and Cameralandny being two of them. I went ahead and ordered one the other day. I have both. I like both. The Athlon, to me, edges out the KL in most ways but not by a lot in any way. They’re both great optics, it’s just that the Athlon is tough competition. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:16:29 PM EDT
[#34]
I liked the Helos gen2 2-12x enough to jump on an Ares ETR UHD 3-18x for a rimfire for my son. Both scopes track great.
The Helos getting ready for Heartland 4 (not sure yet if I'm using it or a PA 3x micro prism in an ADM mount):  Attached FileThe Ares on a lefty Bergara B14r:  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:53:35 PM EDT
[#35]
Well, this was timely as I am considering a scope for an SPR. That Athlon looks interesting.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:39:03 PM EDT
[#36]
Has anyone ever truly had issues with the Credo 2-10’s lack of parallax adjustment or is that just a talking point people parrot around without trying it?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:38:15 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ct78: Has anyone ever truly had issues with the Credo 2-10’s lack of parallax adjustment or is that just a talking point people parrot around without trying it? I just sold mine because I could not keep MOA groups. In fact, the small groups were 2 to 3 moa. I've never shot that rifle so poorly. I could not find middle ground between the reticle being clear and the target being clear. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 12:09:55 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BruceLeroy: I just sold mine because I could not keep MOA groups. In fact, the small groups were 2 to 3 moa. I've never shot that rifle so poorly. I could not find middle ground between the reticle being clear and the target being clear. That sounds like it was fixed at 30yds or 800yds. Even then, sight alignment. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:04:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alien: Cancel cancel cancel. I had considered that one too at the time (as it's supposed to be a good scope for the price point), but the Brass Facts comparison video and these other two specific videos convinced me the Athlon was the right choice in lieu of the Primary Arms GLx 2.5-10.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyDZvxSZ5Cg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Os-bAHPn8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otglZ_HMOB4I watched all those videos before, and Brass Facts' conclusion in all of them is "the PA 2.5-10x is the best of the bunch for several reasons but also quite a bit more expensive, and if you're not getting the PA, the Swampfox and Athlon are both so close that you could basically pick between them based on which reticle you prefer." C_DOES really liked the Swampfox in his review in all areas except the turret detents not aligning with the number of mils on the turret, which apparently swampfox has fixed sometime in the last 2 years. So it seems like a decent optic based on those videos. Brass Facts also shit all over the NX8 1-8x because it has an uncapped elevation turret and didn't like the reticle or 1x, and said it's not bad overall, but for $1800, he expects more. Ok well, the version I picked up used on the EE for $1200 has a capped elevation turret and the newer FC-DMx reticle which is great, so I guess if those are the only complaints, thats why I love it. We'll see how I feel about the Swampfox. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:13:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ct78]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BruceLeroy: I just sold mine because I could not keep MOA groups. In fact, the small groups were 2 to 3 moa. I've never shot that rifle so poorly. I could not find middle ground between the reticle being clear and the target being clear. Wow that’s interesting to hear. I figured that one would be in the running as a good option especially if people prematurely cross it off the list just because of lack of adjustable parallax. One other variable is, if you look at the drop testing done by Formidilosus on Rok, it seems like a shockingly high number of these budget SPR scopes lose zero just from 18” drops or riding around in a truck. Even Leupold’s supposedly failing this. It makes me feel a bit less confident in scope choices |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2024 2:06:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DvlDog]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: I’ve got that 3-18 and it’s ok but doesn’t really blow my hair back. That actually explains a lot. Yeah, I kiinda feel hoodwinked now. Thats what I get for trusting chicom optics. Very underwhelming scope and barely worth the discounted price I paid. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:36:20 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ct78: Has anyone ever truly had issues with the Credo 2-10’s lack of parallax adjustment or is that just a talking point people parrot around without trying it? It’s the whole ‘designed for quick engagement’ sales pitch. Personally I’d rather have the side parallax and not need it than need it and not have it. I have the 2-10 Credo, and when used in such a manner I agree it’s not of much use, but there are absolutely times I wish it had it. To me it’s like how for years manufacturers insisted on dumb little dinky sights on smaller carry guns. ‘It’s not for that’ etc. Ok cool but like, it’s nice to have the option to aim my gun too. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:38:29 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PortaJohnPicasso: I liked the Helos gen2 2-12x enough to jump on an Ares ETR UHD 3-18x for a rimfire for my son. Both scopes track great. The Helos getting ready for Heartland 4 (not sure yet if I'm using it or a PA 3x micro prism in an ADM mount): https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/543436/IMG_20240907_122946174_HDR_jpg-3317018.JPG The Ares on a lefty Bergara B14r: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/543436/IMG_20240821_184646660_jpg-3317019.JPG I have two ETRs and also for them after the positive experience I had with the Helos. The 4.5-30 is a behemoth but both it and the 3-18 are VERY nice for what I paid and I’d compare them against considerably more expensive scopes. The hidden gem for me was the 4-20 Helos. For $400 it’s hard to think of anything else in the category I’d rather own. I have two now on less ‘serious’ precision rifles and would happily buy another. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:51:53 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: The hidden gem for me was the 4-20 Helos. For $400 it's hard to think of anything else in the category I'd rather own. I have two now on less 'serious' precision rifles and would happily buy another. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 8:44:34 AM EDT
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[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: That sounds like it was fixed at 30yds or 800yds. Even then, sight alignment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighpowerRifleBrony: Originally Posted By BruceLeroy: I just sold mine because I could not keep MOA groups. In fact, the small groups were 2 to 3 moa. I've never shot that rifle so poorly. I could not find middle ground between the reticle being clear and the target being clear. That sounds like it was fixed at 30yds or 800yds. Even then, sight alignment. I haven't had any problems with my Credo. At 100 I can maintain 1-1.5 MOA easily, but I shoot at KD 200-600 yards steel targets which also present no problem for me. Clarity of the 600 yards targets isn't great, but more than adequate (i can see my hits), in my experience. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 9:16:40 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DvlDog: Yeah, I kiinda feel hoodwinked now. Thats what I get for trusting chicom optics. Very underwhelming scope and barely worth the discounted price I paid. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DvlDog: Originally Posted By doty_soty: I’ve got that 3-18 and it’s ok but doesn’t really blow my hair back. That actually explains a lot. Yeah, I kiinda feel hoodwinked now. Thats what I get for trusting chicom optics. Very underwhelming scope and barely worth the discounted price I paid. To be clear, some of the optics bring positively discussed are also made in China. It’s how the optic was spec’ed by Primary Arms. The factory manufactures to a specification. How they chose to design the 3-18 wa NOT a surprise to PA. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 9:20:49 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: It’s the whole ‘designed for quick engagement’ sales pitch. Personally I’d rather have the side parallax and not need it than need it and not have it. I have the 2-10 Credo, and when used in such a manner I agree it’s not of much use, but there are absolutely times I wish it had it. To me it’s like how for years manufacturers insisted on dumb little dinky sights on smaller carry guns. ‘It’s not for that’ etc. Ok cool but like, it’s nice to have the option to aim my gun too. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: Originally Posted By ct78: Has anyone ever truly had issues with the Credo 2-10’s lack of parallax adjustment or is that just a talking point people parrot around without trying it? It’s the whole ‘designed for quick engagement’ sales pitch. Personally I’d rather have the side parallax and not need it than need it and not have it. I have the 2-10 Credo, and when used in such a manner I agree it’s not of much use, but there are absolutely times I wish it had it. To me it’s like how for years manufacturers insisted on dumb little dinky sights on smaller carry guns. ‘It’s not for that’ etc. Ok cool but like, it’s nice to have the option to aim my gun too. I completely agree. I’d rather have parallax adjustment than not for shooting at distances 400+ yards. I’m fine with no parallax adjustment on a LPVO. But for a MPVO, I want it. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 1:01:57 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doty_soty: The hidden gem for me was the 4-20 Helos. For $400 it’s hard to think of anything else in the category I’d rather own. I have two now on less ‘serious’ precision rifles and would happily buy another. Hmmm, that's good to know. The 2-12 Helos shines for me as a hunting scope that can reach out if needed. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 5:12:38 PM EDT
[#49]
Here's a sweet pic of my PA 2.5-10x. I'd probably have picked up a second one if they were still available instead of messing around with these 2-12x things.
14.5" ... mini DMR? Recce? I don't know.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 10:36:43 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: Here's a sweet pic of my PA 2.5-10x. I'd probably have picked up a second one if they were still available instead of messing around with these 2-12x things. 14.5" ... mini DMR? Recce? I don't know. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435611/e31fed48-d2a4-4e5a-a366-1c4c3898f321_jpe-3317849.JPG I’m actually miffed I missed the boat on their 2.5-10’s. Whatever they come out with to replace it, I hope it’s good and I hope it’s out soon. It’s such a useful magnification range. I really appreciate that side focus that so much of its competition lacks. I love my Credo 2.5-10’s and they’re great but I’d be smitten if it had the side focus. |
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