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Posted: 9/15/2018 11:00:07 PM EDT
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I am shopping for a 3 lug adapter for my Scorpion. I see two main types of these adapters. ones that simply thread on and some that utilize the metal paw catch on the muzzle (like the factory flash hider). I would assume that the one with the paw catch would be the ideal version but shopping places like Manticore Arms (who seem to specialize in the scorpion) only carry the normal thread only type. That got me thinking if one was superior then the other.
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Posted: 9/15/2018 11:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeroworksxp:
I am shopping for a 3 lug adapter for my Scorpion. I see two main types of these adapters. ones that simply thread on and some that utilize the metal paw catch on the muzzle (like the factory flash hider). I would assume that the one with the paw catch would be the ideal version but shopping places like Manticore Arms (who seem to specialize in the scorpion) only carry the normal thread only type. That got me thinking if one was superior then the other. |
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Posted: 9/15/2018 11:44:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms:
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p296/Dawg180/BULLPUP%20TEASER%20091018%20JPG.jpg A little teaser before we launch tomorrow at Bullpup Shoot 2018. Yes, this is a partnership between Manticore Arms and CZ USA  |
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Posted: 9/15/2018 11:48:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: aeroworksxp]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By f40: It's up to you. It ends up being the same length either way pretty much. The ones that have the metal pawl are for the gen 1 guns that had only m18x1 threads. |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 12:15:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Samal]
[#5]
K conversion and binary trigger combo is lots of giggles
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Posted: 9/16/2018 1:49:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: You do not need a more vertical grip, a lot of people shot it today with no issues at all, but you are correct about why the OEM Scorpoion grip was on there- the Bullpup EVO is a CZ USA OEM product that we developed, and part of the deal was to show the gun in CZ USA parts- grip, froend, etc. The grip is easily interchanged with any aftermarket Scorpion grips, and we will most likely offer a grip optimized (in our opinion) for this configuration. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 2:08:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Samal:
K conversion and binary trigger combo is lots of giggles https://youtu.be/EzaTDBfUqVE  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzaTDBfUqVE |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 10:22:04 AM EDT
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Looking forward to seeing some video of these bullpups in action, particularly how people are using their support hand. Appears that it's one MLOK section too short, but maybe the video will tell another story.
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Posted: 9/16/2018 10:43:34 AM EDT
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Can we talk about the bullpup advantage in here or is that better for another thread?
I understand an AUG or Tavor as 5.56 is very velocity dependent. For 9mm, there really isn't much velocity gained going from 8-10" to 16" barrel. Especially for the distances a 9mm PCC is going to be used. The 7.7" Scorpion is perfect, especially with the side folding Tailhook. Nice and compact and fits well in a backpack. The Micro is/will be even better. So the bullpup doesn't offer anything over those two in terms of size and portability. So is the bullpup just for those considering the 16" carbine? The 16" carbine in 9mm never made sense to me based on the above for ballistics. You don't gain much in terminal ballistics for range it will be used at. If you want to shoot suppressed and subsonic, 16" isn't helping you compared to the 7.7 or 4" version. It definitely looks cool. Just trying to figure out what the advantage and purpose is. |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 11:26:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer:
Can we talk about the bullpup advantage in here or is that better for another thread? I understand an AUG or Tavor as 5.56 is very velocity dependent. For 9mm, there really isn't much velocity gained going from 8-10" to 16" barrel. Especially for the distances a 9mm PCC is going to be used. The 7.7" Scorpion is perfect, especially with the side folding Tailhook. Nice and compact and fits well in a backpack. The Micro is/will be even better. So the bullpup doesn't offer anything over those two in terms of size and portability. So is the bullpup just for those considering the 16" carbine? The 16" carbine in 9mm never made sense to me based on the above for ballistics. You don't gain much in terminal ballistics for range it will be used at. If you want to shoot suppressed and subsonic, 16" isn't helping you compared to the 7.7 or 4" version. It definitely looks cool. Just trying to figure out what the advantage and purpose is. |
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Posted: 9/16/2018 6:55:26 PM EDT
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I know it’s not out yet but does anyone know if the collapsible stock on the K uses the same attachment system as the current Evo 3?
Trying to decide if I want to wait for the K or buy one now and get the aftermarket K conversion. |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 8:55:37 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer:
Can we talk about the bullpup advantage in here or is that better for another thread? I understand an AUG or Tavor as 5.56 is very velocity dependent. For 9mm, there really isn't much velocity gained going from 8-10" to 16" barrel. Especially for the distances a 9mm PCC is going to be used. The 7.7" Scorpion is perfect, especially with the side folding Tailhook. Nice and compact and fits well in a backpack. The Micro is/will be even better. So the bullpup doesn't offer anything over those two in terms of size and portability. So is the bullpup just for those considering the 16" carbine? The 16" carbine in 9mm never made sense to me based on the above for ballistics. You don't gain much in terminal ballistics for range it will be used at. If you want to shoot suppressed and subsonic, 16" isn't helping you compared to the 7.7 or 4" version. It definitely looks cool. Just trying to figure out what the advantage and purpose is. |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 10:51:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sleep203]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer:
Can we talk about the bullpup advantage in here or is that better for another thread? I understand an AUG or Tavor as 5.56 is very velocity dependent. For 9mm, there really isn't much velocity gained going from 8-10" to 16" barrel. Especially for the distances a 9mm PCC is going to be used. The 7.7" Scorpion is perfect, especially with the side folding Tailhook. Nice and compact and fits well in a backpack. The Micro is/will be even better. So the bullpup doesn't offer anything over those two in terms of size and portability. So is the bullpup just for those considering the 16" carbine? The 16" carbine in 9mm never made sense to me based on the above for ballistics. You don't gain much in terminal ballistics for range it will be used at. If you want to shoot suppressed and subsonic, 16" isn't helping you compared to the 7.7 or 4" version. It definitely looks cool. Just trying to figure out what the advantage and purpose is.  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 11:19:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzAgLover:
I know it’s not out yet but does anyone know if the collapsible stock on the K uses the same attachment system as the current Evo 3? Trying to decide if I want to wait for the K or buy one now and get the aftermarket K conversion. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 11:27:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer:
Can we talk about the bullpup advantage in here or is that better for another thread? I understand an AUG or Tavor as 5.56 is very velocity dependent. For 9mm, there really isn't much velocity gained going from 8-10" to 16" barrel. Especially for the distances a 9mm PCC is going to be used. The 7.7" Scorpion is perfect, especially with the side folding Tailhook. Nice and compact and fits well in a backpack. The Micro is/will be even better. So the bullpup doesn't offer anything over those two in terms of size and portability. So is the bullpup just for those considering the 16" carbine? The 16" carbine in 9mm never made sense to me based on the above for ballistics. You don't gain much in terminal ballistics for range it will be used at. If you want to shoot suppressed and subsonic, 16" isn't helping you compared to the 7.7 or 4" version. It definitely looks cool. Just trying to figure out what the advantage and purpose is. For some people that doesn't matter, but others don't want to have to do NFA paperwork, and yet others live where SBR's aren't legal. So if you want to have a firearm with a stock that doesn't require NFA paperwork the 16" barreled carbine makes sense. The bullpup version allows you to drop the length by 12" and have a gun shorter than the SBR with a stock while still being non NFA. The Bullpup Scorpion will work on the 7.7" or even 4" barreled Scorpions as long as it has the OEM carbine forend, or one of the forends we will be releasing when the kit version of the Scorpion EVO bullpup launches. The only thing we will reocmmend is running a suppressor, barrel extension, or extended muzzle device so that the open end of the muzzle is at the end of the handguard, and not buried inside of it, mostly to prevent muzzle blast and powder from hitting your offhand in front of the trigger guard (and obviosly for liability purposes). Understand that what we are showing now is the very base model- the way a carbine looks if converted over with the bullpup kit with all OEM parts on it. We have A LOT of components in various stages of development that will let this go from "mild to wild" as they say including forends, grips, integral suppressors, VFG adapters, etc. The ultimate goal is to let you build up the bullpup version in the guise you want for the function you want (the Stinger PDW proof of concept we showed at Bullpup Shoot and in the video is a good example), this is by no means a "one and done" project on our part, a lot of thought has gone into what it can be in various forms and you are only seeing the very first pics. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 11:41:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IceAuger:
Looking forward to seeing some video of these bullpups in action, particularly how people are using their support hand. Appears that it's one MLOK section too short, but maybe the video will tell another story. https://www.facebook.com/WeLikeShooting/videos/354577701949256/ There are two M-LOK slots left on the OEM carbine forend, so there is plenty of room to mount a VFG if you want, and we will be offering longer forends in several configurations to give a little more hand room for those who want it. CZ wanted the Scorpion EVO bullpup to be able to mount their OEM grip, so it was a careful balancing act to have enough room behind to leave clearance to pull the magazine out with the offhand, and to have some room left on the forend. The front of the trigger guard is not only angled but starts out as wide as the forend at the top and tapers inward at the bottom, and basically works a bit like an Angled Fore Grip in function for gripping if you have medium to larger sized hands. We also have been working on a couple of interesting M-LOK mounted foregrips for those who want a different style of grip, some a bit like the P90 in concept (no pics yet, still in development) and obviously the Stinger has a grip adapter on it to show another solution. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 1:46:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi:
The advantages are relative only to US law. In the absence of such artificial legal constraints, the 16" barrel wouldn't exist for any gun IMO. |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 8:27:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Manticore_Arms: @IceAuger here is a video We Like Shooting posted today showing several people firing (including Jeremy "the beast" Pozderac shooting the Stinger PDW proof on concept one handed, lol) https://www.facebook.com/WeLikeShooting/videos/354577701949256/ There are two M-LOK slots left on the OEM carbine forend, so there is plenty of room to mount a VFG if you want, and we will be offering longer forends in several configurations to give a little more hand room for those who want it. CZ wanted the Scorpion EVO bullpup to be able to mount their OEM grip, so it was a careful balancing act to have enough room behind to leave clearance to pull the magazine out with the offhand, and to have some room left on the forend. The front of the trigger guard is not only angled but starts out as wide as the forend at the top and tapers inward at the bottom, and basically works a bit like an Angled Fore Grip in function for gripping if you have medium to larger sized hands. We also have been working on a couple of interesting M-LOK mounted foregrips for those who want a different style of grip, some a bit like the P90 in concept (no pics yet, still in development) and obviously the Stinger has a grip adapter on it to show another solution. Sven Manticore Arms Going back to what you said about CZ wanting to use their pistol grips and wanting to keep the swap as straight forward as possible, I can understand why wholesale changes weren't made. Totally makes sense. Can't wait to see how this plays out when the parts start to become available. Very cool. Thanks again. |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 1:13:31 PM EDT
[#19]
Pretty cool product Sven. From the pictures I have seen and the video thats out the aesthetics are definitely there. I really like that CZ was positive to it, shows a good relationship between your company and theirs. If I was in the market for a second scorpion I would be interested in one in this configuration, but only as an SBR so I could tuck my suppressor in it.
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Posted: 9/18/2018 1:20:07 PM EDT
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New to this thread
Are there photos floating around out there or the scorpion micro next to a regular scorpion to see size difference? |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 9:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackgunner:
New to this thread Are there photos floating around out there or the scorpion micro next to a regular scorpion to see size difference? 
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:17:44 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackgunner:
New to this thread Are there photos floating around out there or the scorpion micro next to a regular scorpion to see size difference? |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 1:22:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: snackgunner]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzAgLover: As you can see in the picture there isn’t a huge difference in the length but from what I’ve gathered the big difference shows up when you use the CZ suppressor which partially sits over the barrel so it doesn’t stick out nearly as far as a suppressor on the Evo 3. @f40 thanks for the pic |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:21:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackgunner:
Which suppressor are you referring to? Got a link? @f40 thanks for the pic Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackgunner:
Originally Posted By AzAgLover: As you can see in the picture there isn't a huge difference in the length but from what I've gathered the big difference shows up when you use the CZ suppressor which partially sits over the barrel so it doesn't stick out nearly as far as a suppressor on the Evo 3. @f40 thanks for the pic the can to sit deeper into the hand guard.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:26:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Nice. Whats the price on that silencer?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snackgunner:
Nice. Whats the price on that silencer? I just bought one in SS but it'll be "in jail" for awhile, so can't give any real feedback on it yet. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:43:09 PM EDT
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Is this suporessor a 9mm suppressor? Will work on other guns and all that? Or specifically made for the micro scorpion?
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Posted: 9/19/2018 2:49:57 PM EDT
[#28]
Yes, 9mm. It would work on something else, so long as you have enough barrel sticking out for it to fit over.
Threaded 1/2-28. |
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Posted: 9/19/2018 5:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jsha22lr:
Pretty cool product Sven. From the pictures I have seen and the video thats out the aesthetics are definitely there. I really like that CZ was positive to it, shows a good relationship between your company and theirs. If I was in the market for a second scorpion I would be interested in one in this configuration, but only as an SBR so I could tuck my suppressor in it. The hardest part was keeping this an absolute secret for 2 years. We wanted to launch it and put it in front of the public only after it was 100% proven out and ready for production. It was so secret a good chunk of the CZ USA office didn't even know about it. 
Looking forward to these getting out in people's hands, and we have a lot more cool CZ based stuff coming out in the next few months. Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:20:33 AM EDT
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I've been looking at the Innovative Arms integral suppressor, but the new CZ cans have my attention. One note on those, if you don't have a K barrel you'll have to have your pistol or carbine barrel cut so the can can sleeve over it.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 11:06:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jekbrown: STG44 and AK47 suggest otherwise, unless we're squabbling over fractions of an inch. 
The 14.5” is a US thing.. most if not all European assault rifles have 18-16” barrels |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 11:32:35 AM EDT
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I got to play with the Scorpion Bullpup at the Bullpup shoot this year. While I don’t have a Scorpion yet I will be getting one. The bullpup platform was amazing. It felt right in the shoulder and all of the controls were in the correct place. The optic rail with the HoloSun was at the perfect height and I wasn’t fishing with my head to find the red dot. The QD socket in the stock is a great touch as well.
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Posted: 9/23/2018 7:41:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AzAgLover]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi:
CZ has made a can that threads on about 1/3 of the way in, with a back blast chamber the envelopes around the barrel, allowing the can to sit deeper into the hand guard. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/78310/17z_CZScorpionS2SuppressorCutaway-676497.JPG I’m tired of waiting for CZ to come out with the Micro K but I don’t know if the HB K barrel will stick out far enough for the suppressor to attach to it. |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 2:06:57 AM EDT
[#34]
Noticed something else in the photograph posted by @tifosi. Do you guys see it? You are looking at the much rumored Gen 3 stock. It has been more than 2 years since I was told about this from the folks at CZ. I spoke with someone at CZ a few months ago and still were not sure when it was going to hit the street. They were guessing Shot Show 2019, but said they truly did not know. I was told it will interface with the magwell. If you ever wondered what the notch molded into the inside of the right front edge was there for now you know. Will address the misalignment many experienced and I believe will do away with the magnet.
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Posted: 9/25/2018 1:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzAgLover: What barrel are you planning on putting the suppressor on? The factory Evo 3 barrel? I'm tired of waiting for CZ to come out with the Micro K but I don't know if the HB K barrel will stick out far enough for the suppressor to attach to it. I've been meaning to bring the gun over to my LGS and test fit the can, but haven't had time lately. Here is the sketch I sent to ADCO for my barrel.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 1:03:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HTHF:
You are looking at the much rumored Gen 3 stock. |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 8:24:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AzAgLover]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi:
I had my factory pistol barrel shortened by ADCO. If my measurements are right it *should* work. I've been meaning to bring the gun over to my LGS and test fit the can, but haven't had time lately. Here is the sketch I sent to ADCO for my barrel. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/78310/Capture-682684.JPG Now I have to decide if I’m willing to accept the extra ~1” the HB barrel will add or wait for the micro to actually come out and hope CZ offers the barrel separately. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 4:05:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tifosi:
Nice catch. Looks like it has QD mounts as well? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 6:07:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AzAgLover]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HTHF: It looks like it. However that image looks more like an artists rendering. I would imagine they would have a QD sling point on the stock. It doesn’t look to have a mount on the stock either but I can’t tell if it’s the new stock or not. 
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:58:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HTHF:
It looks like it. However that image looks more like an artists rendering. I would imagine they would have a QD sling point on the stock. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HTHF:
Originally Posted By tifosi:
Nice catch. Looks like it has QD mounts as well? 
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Posted: 9/26/2018 9:25:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Garandboy]
[#41]
I have a pistol with the carbine hand guard. My suppressor sicks out a lot, I wanted to tuck it in further but can't see a way to do that with the nut that attaches the factory hand guard. Can't go aftermarket since the diameter on my suppressor is 1.64" OD and the ID on the aftermarket hand guards are 1.57" and 1.62". Is there a way to modify the factory hand guard mounting so I can tuck the suppressor back an inch or two?
This is the current set up. 
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Posted: 9/26/2018 1:27:01 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Garandboy:
I have a pistol with the carbine hand guard. My suppressor sicks out a lot, I wanted to tuck it in further but can't see a way to do that with the nut that attaches the factory hand guard. Can't go aftermarket since the diameter on my suppressor is 1.64" OD and the ID on the aftermarket hand guards are 1.57" and 1.62". Is there a way to modify the factory hand guard mounting so I can tuck the suppressor back an inch or two? This is the current set up. https://i.imgur.com/29fdyh7.jpg Are you saying you want to make the barrel shorter but can’t because the silencer won’t fit inside the handguard if you do? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 4:42:50 PM EDT
[#43]
Not mine. Saw this on the Scorpion owners Facebook page. NFI. Just thought it was cool.
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Posted: 9/26/2018 4:44:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Garandboy]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzAgLover: I’m confused. Are you saying you want to make the barrel shorter but can’t because the silencer won’t fit inside the handguard if you do? |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:48:04 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thebomber: If you have a Gen 1 stock its really easy to add a recessed QD mount to the stock. http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/hardgear/20161116_175839-1.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 7:59:42 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bcw107:
Not mine. Saw this on the Scorpion owners Facebook page. NFI. Just thought it was cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/22973/FB_IMG_1537994455399-683933.jpg |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 12:25:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By manji: Yes it is... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33932/IMG_0708-517013.jpg |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 11:30:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bcw107:
Not mine. Saw this on the Scorpion owners Facebook page. NFI. Just thought it was cool. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/22973/FB_IMG_1537994455399-683933.jpg |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 2:48:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RageAgainstTheVM: Aren't those the USC -> UMP conversions? Or is TBT making a new shell? |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 3:17:31 PM EDT
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Those are Omega receivered UMP clones because of the pistol braces.
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