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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:50:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Go with 20ga it's my personal favorite and can do anything you need it to
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:50:35 PM EDT
[#2]
all my kids start on a 410. 20ga is a lot for a 5 year old. My 15 year old daughter just graduated to 20 this year.
ETA: I'm trying to say, Get Both. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:50:37 PM EDT
[#3]
Good luck finding .410 ammo.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:51:17 PM EDT
[#4]
.410 ammo is really hard to source
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:52:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: all my kids start on a 410. 20ga is a lot for a 5 year old. My 15 year old daughter just graduated to 20 this year. ETA: I'm trying to say, Get Both. How about 20ga mini shells? |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:53:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck finding .410 ammo. This, 20 is much easier. Have you considered a 28ga? Also a lite 20ga shell is easy to control. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:53:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .410 ammo is really hard to source Less than an hour ago I gave my buddy two boxes of 3" 6 shot. I hadn't owned a .410 in thirty years but still had the ammo. Now he and his kid can shoot it. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:55:27 PM EDT
[#8]
20. As mentioned, 410 can be a bear to find.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:55:40 PM EDT
[#9]
I hunted with a 20 gauge for years as long as you aren't shooting turkey shot it should be okay for a kid and shoots like a real gun.
I don't have much faith in 410 bit like everyone said finding ammo is a pain anyways 20 gauge at 5yo? Even a youth model seems like it would be awkwardly large, at least the pump guns |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:56:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: I want to get a new sxs for small game hunting / camping. The stoeger coach guns would be great in our thick woods, canoes, etc. I honestly can't remember the last time I shot a 410. Is it worth it? I'm thinking my 5yo could start with it. 20 is way better than 410. If I wanted a small sxs shotgun I'd look into a 28 gauge. For small I'd go 28 or 20. Overall I'd go 12 or 20. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:56:43 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .410 ammo is really hard to source No Walmarts in your area? |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:56:54 PM EDT
[#12]
Subsonic 20 ga lite trap loads, still more pellets than a .410.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:57:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: I want to get a new sxs for small game hunting / camping. The stoeger coach guns would be great in our thick woods, canoes, etc. I honestly can't remember the last time I shot a 410. Is it worth it? I'm thinking my 5yo could start with it. it's more about fit - and I doubt it would fit a 5yo well $410 is $$$ I doubt the .410 will fit a 5yo some kids tolerate the recoil better than others |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:57:43 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I hunted with a 20 gauge for years as long as you aren't shooting turkey shot it should be okay for a kid and shoots like a real gun. I don't have much faith in 410 bit like everyone said finding ammo is a pain anyways 20 gauge at 5yo? Even a youth model seems like it would be awkwardly large, at least the pump guns There's a tiny Mossberg 20 ga w/ like a 3 round mag & an 18.5" bbl w/ choke tubes. 510, https://www.mossberg.com/510-mini-super-bantam-all-purpose-field-50485.html 
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Posted: 2/29/2024 5:59:00 PM EDT
[#15]
20 gauge. 410 is an expert's gun and a horrible first choice. The myth that the 410 is a good kid's gun needs to die.
Five is awfully damn young for shotgun. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 gauge. 410 is an expert's gun and a horrible first choice. The myth that the 410 is a good kid's gun needs to die. Five is awfully damn young for shotgun. Yeah, I've never really used it. I've hunted with 20 gauge a lot. There's a stoeger 20ga 20" with a recoil pad that might be the ticket. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No Walmarts in your area? I haven't seen 410 at Walmart in 2 years. 12, 20, 28, 16 ordered by quantity, but 0 boxes of 410. Not even an empty spot where it should go. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:07:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 gauge. 410 is an expert's gun and a horrible first choice. The myth that the 410 is a good kid's gun needs to die. this is untrue a 410 at the 16 yard line on a trap range is indeed an experts gun I've been BSA shooting sports volunteer for maybe 15 years - when I first started the grey beards squawked 'Arrchhh 410 is for experts Arrchhh' But our boy scout shooting is done right next to the trap house - the old single barrel eastern arms 410 with the super heavy butt stock just naturally point in the right direction. Assuming a lad or now young lady can decently shoulder it often as not they'll break a bird in the first 5 shots. It works alot better than them getting beat up with a too big 20 ga we've had dozens maybe even a few hundred by now wee small scouts do just fine with a .410 - once they get a little bigger they smoke birds with 20 ga Just because the NRA wrote something in the Shotgun Instructor book in 1956 doesn't make it always true |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:07:54 PM EDT
[#19]
Get the kid a sling shot.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:08:19 PM EDT
[#20]
20 is the correct answer
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:08:54 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's a tiny Mossberg 20 ga w/ like a 3 round mag & an 18.5" bbl w/ choke tubes. 510, https://www.mossberg.com/510-mini-super-bantam-all-purpose-field-50485.html https://www.mossberg.com/media/catalog/product/cache/e481e64536a684f69707b47f11cbf51f/5/0/50485_510mini_opoxqh80ptafsiyy.jpg Yep, have one. All my kids and grandkids started on it. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:11:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:11:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen 410 at Walmart in 2 years. 12, 20, 28, 16 ordered by quantity, but 0 boxes of 410. Not even an empty spot where it should go. Recently bought a flat from an ammo house, 7 1/2 shot Nobel Sport target loads. $144 shipped. That’s the only way I can find it, I too haven’t seen it at Walmart/Bass/Cabelas for years. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:13:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this is untrue a 410 at the 16 yard line on a trap range is indeed an experts gun I've been BSA shooting sports volunteer for maybe 15 years - when I first started the grey beards squawked 'Arrchhh 410 is for experts Arrchhh' But our boy scout shooting is done right next to the trap house - the old single barrel eastern arms 410 with the super heavy butt stock just naturally point in the right direction. Assuming a lad or now young lady can decently shoulder it often as not they'll break a bird in the first 5 shots. It works alot better than them getting beat up with a too big 20 ga we've had dozens maybe even a few hundred by now wee small scouts do just fine with a .410 - once they get a little bigger they smoke birds with 20 ga Just because the NRA wrote something in the Shotgun Instructor book in 1956 doesn't make it always true Breaking clays or downing birds with .410 is more difficult due to lack of shot. Don’t believe me, go shoot in a sub-gauge tournament sometime. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:14:07 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the kid a sling shot. Well he's got airsoft, bb guns, and a Smith and wesson m64 so far. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:14:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go with 20ga it's my personal favorite and can do anything you need it to This, 100% 20g is very versatile gauge, can get shells anywhere from large loads that can take down larger animals to smal low recoil loads suitable for kids and new shooters. I would however not recommend a coach or other super short barrel shotgun. These are usually made to shoot only close range stuff, like 20 yards. Often have fixed cylinder choke. You can get things like 26inch barrel which is great in heavy woods and have changeable choke. CZ Bobwhite Intermediate Would fill the bill much better than a coach gun. Save those for cowboy action shooting. .410's have a following but ammo us expensive and can be harder to find and if you do less options than a 20g |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:14:52 PM EDT
[#27]
First shotgun for what?
If you are looking for a first shotgun for shooting at squirrels or stationary targets, .410 would be fine. With its dimunitive stock, the Rossi Tuffy is a nice gun for very small statured people. If you wanted him to be doing something more reminiscent of wingshooting, a 20 would be better (and probably not something that would be advisable for a 5 year old). |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:14:52 PM EDT
[#28]
20 gauge. 410 is expensive and hard to find.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:15:14 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Recently bought a flat from an ammo house, 7 1/2 shot Nobel Sport target loads. $144 shipped. That’s the only way I can find it, I too haven’t seen it at Walmart/Bass/Cabelas for years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I haven't seen 410 at Walmart in 2 years. 12, 20, 28, 16 ordered by quantity, but 0 boxes of 410. Not even an empty spot where it should go. Recently bought a flat from an ammo house, 7 1/2 shot Nobel Sport target loads. $144 shipped. That’s the only way I can find it, I too haven’t seen it at Walmart/Bass/Cabelas for years. I'm like 40 minutes from. A Walmart. Last time I was there I saw plenty of 410 hunting shells. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:16:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen 410 at Walmart in 2 years. 12, 20, 28, 16 ordered by quantity, but 0 boxes of 410. Not even an empty spot where it should go. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No Walmarts in your area? I haven't seen 410 at Walmart in 2 years. 12, 20, 28, 16 ordered by quantity, but 0 boxes of 410. Not even an empty spot where it should go. Interesting. I saw some at Walmart today. Texas may be different. It is also in stock at Academy (a local sporting goods chain). |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:16:24 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, 100% 20g is very versatile gauge, can get shells anywhere from large loads that can take down larger animals to smal low recoil loads suitable for kids and new shooters. I would however not recommend a coach or other super short barrel shotgun. These are usually made to shoot only close range stuff, like 20 yards. Often have fixed cylinder choke. You can get things like 26inch barrel which is great in heavy woods and have changeable choke. CZ Bobwhite Intermediate Would fill the bill much better than a coach gun. Save those for cowboy action shooting. .410's have a following but ammo us expensive and can be harder to find and if you do less options than a 20g Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Go with 20ga it's my personal favorite and can do anything you need it to This, 100% 20g is very versatile gauge, can get shells anywhere from large loads that can take down larger animals to smal low recoil loads suitable for kids and new shooters. I would however not recommend a coach or other super short barrel shotgun. These are usually made to shoot only close range stuff, like 20 yards. Often have fixed cylinder choke. You can get things like 26inch barrel which is great in heavy woods and have changeable choke. CZ Bobwhite Intermediate Would fill the bill much better than a coach gun. Save those for cowboy action shooting. .410's have a following but ammo us expensive and can be harder to find and if you do less options than a 20g The stoeger coach has a modified/imp cylinder chokes which I prefer. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:16:58 PM EDT
[#32]
.410. Find an older Wingmaster in good shape, and never look back. Then, for something a bit different, grab an old Stevens 59B bolt action.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:17:42 PM EDT
[#33]
IMO, go with a 20 ga., later in life he’s more apt to use a 20 than the .410. My brother started with a 20 ga single shot and still hunts today with a 20 ga.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:18:16 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First shotgun for what? If you are looking for a first shotgun for shooting at squirrels or stationary targets, .410 would be fine. With its dimunitive stock, the Rossi Tuffy is a nice gun for very small statured people. If you wanted him to be doing something more reminiscent of wingshooting, a 20 would be better (and probably not something that would be advisable for a 5 year old). I wouldn't mind starting with the 410, then giving him a 20 gauge and taking the 410 for myself. But yeah, squirrels and targets will be first. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:20:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Got my boys a Mossberg semiauto 28 g. Was a good medium between the two and they manage it fine at 12 and 10 yo.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:25:26 PM EDT
[#36]
20ga with 26" barrel
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:35:12 PM EDT
[#37]
A 28ga SxS sounds way better than a .410 for a lightweight camping and kids gun.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:38:18 PM EDT
[#38]
I've got a single shot Stevens/Savage I've had over 45 years when I was younger maybe 6ish I had a hell of a time cocking the hammer without two hands. I have something similar to the double barrel shown by the OP. It says imported by Stoeger on it and I've had it about 30 years and its a good shooter. I think a 20 gauge is something youth could use a lot longer but the 410 is a fairly soft shooter if that is a concern. David.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:43:35 PM EDT
[#39]
Me? I'd go 20ga.
I miss my uncle. He had all the gauges in the late '70s / early '80s. And I mean all, including the smaller dying ones. 
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:45:06 PM EDT
[#40]
Try to find .410 shells, then decide. Almost impossible in my area.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:47:43 PM EDT
[#41]
yikes
I have a coach gun your 5 year old is not going to like firing it even in 20 gauge |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:48:48 PM EDT
[#42]
20 gauge because you can feed it
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:49:41 PM EDT
[#43]
20 gauge unless you have a surplus of money and haven’t found a way to get rid of it.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:49:47 PM EDT
[#44]
If you want them to actually hit anything, 20g. The 410 does not put much lead out and good luck finding ammo.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:52:23 PM EDT
[#45]
Definitely not .410.
The .410 has a really long shot string, which makes it really hard to connect with a flying target. If you're an experienced skeet shooter and want a greater challenge, by all means, try a .410. But for anyone else, it's a horrible gauge. It's also stupid expensive if you're buying factory ammo. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:55:44 PM EDT
[#46]
Plenty of 410 on AmmoSeek .
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:56:08 PM EDT
[#47]
More ammo options in 20 gauge. Cheaper too.
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:56:31 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck finding .410 ammo. This, 20ga is a lot easier to find right now. |
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:56:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/29/2024 6:57:11 PM EDT
[#50]
I wouldn't mind .410, but .410 users are like Corvette owners.
Neither one will shut the fuck up about how great their shit is. ETA - Old man... something... cloud.
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