What if I told you that kids who get hit are much more likely to have adhd?  

You might say “chicken egg”. What if I told that stress (like violence) shapes a child’s brain. They can’t prove causation, for obvious reasons.

I see these posts about hitting kids because they deserve it. I rarely hear how well it works. Most the time I hear how it has to be applied repeatedly with no change. I’m beginning to think it makes things worse.

I got whupped (not beaten) occasionally by my dad.  Looking back, most of the time it was well deserved.  I believe it did much more good than bad.  Of course there are limits, but a whupping is not always bad, esp. for boys.  Boys are also diagnosed more often than girls with ADHD.  Coincidence?

Most psychology and psychiatry is made up BS. It’s trying to explain spiritual phenomena with science. Science is for physical phenomena.

What if I told you when we were subject to an ass whipping for breaking rules, we did not break rules. At least not twice.

Funny how we had no idea what a mass shooting was back then, and we all had access to guns.

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It's real, but the diagnosis process should be more rigorous because other issues can be diagnosed as ADHD.

Given all the money we throw at public education it would probably be worth doing a full evaluation for every child at least once during their school career. Like pick a grade and through the year every child in that grade is evaluated- not just for ADHD but for any issues that may effect learning [autism, dyslexia, poor vision, hearing/auditory processing]. Maybe 3rd grade after reading has been learned but before too many years with perhaps reduced learning pile up.

Ohh it's real. Come visit sometime

To all the people saying "oh, where was ADD 50/100/more years ago", it was still there, just was seen differently.

My grandfather fit the ADD profile perfectly. What happened to him? He got kicked out of three high schools until he could lie about his age and join the Air Corp in '42. Found out he was fascinated with the Norden bomb sight, ended up being lead bombardier for his group. Came home and worked with his hands all his life; he was 85+ and still making intricate scroll saw cutouts, because it was what he wanted, what he needed to do. He really broke when he couldn't sit down and see the work anymore.

Lots of people who made historical advancements in science and engineering were possibly ADD. Obsessive about learning, but you often read they died broke because they didn't have or care about the business sense to monetize their inventions.

There aren't enough professionals to evaluate the relatively small percentage of students who are suspected of having a disability, much less every student.  And it gets worse every year.

I run meetings and process for both.

The criteria for eligibility under section 504 is that the student:

1) Has a physical or mental impairment
2) The impairment (at least) significantly impacts a major life function.
3) The student requires accommodation in the school setting.

It is possible for a student to have a medical Dx. of ADHD and to meet life function impact criteria necessary for section 504 eligibility but not meet the adverse educational impact criteria or need for specialized instruction requirement that would be necessary to be eligible for an IEP. That's why there have been situations where I have lead a team to a determination of non-eligibility under IDEA and then immediately initiated a referral for the same student under Section 504 based on the same/similar underlying disability concerns.

300.8(c)(9)(i) lists ADHD as a medical Dx. that can qualify an individual for the OHI classification. OCR publications have made it clear that is a non-exhaustive list and that the definition of what qualifies is much more broad.

Subdivision (ii) imposes the educational impact requirement.

In effect, the diagnosis alone does not cause the student to become eligible.

I want to bang my head against the wall every time questionnaires are thrown at families before even checking the kids vision and hearing.

Yes in a sense that you can say some people have more trouble concentrating than others.

It is a drug sham though probably just because they want to believe they medicated their children or themselves for a purpose.

I don’t blame them for doing it either, it’s what the world and every educated professional was saying was needed.

Had I had kids years ago and was told by many different professionals that they needed to be medicated I probably would have done the same.

Sad really to have been duped by the system.

its fairly well established and long accepted, look at all the drugs prescribed for it...they are all basically speed. if it wasnt the case why would it CALM a person who has ADHYPERactivitityD down? I wasnt n the camp at first, i had laser surgery on my eyes ( prk = blind for a month)  and i was given Valium to sedate me prior to the surgery....it made me bounce of the walls. It still does. The doctor was upset because i did not indicate on the questionnaire  that i was adhd...i told him it was BS and he sat me down and gave me the clearest possible way of saying it. i went and saw a few psychologists that i trusted  ( i am going to school for this at the time) and they laughed at me and said that i was too good a student to miss such an obvious thing like that.
this is a good article that explains it

Most of those "ADHD" behaviors can be remedied with spankings, belts, shoes, and hard slaps across the face.

I was the little ahole kid who wouldn't sit still or focus on his school work at the small catholic grammar school I attended from 1976 to 1984.  Back then the nuns and lay teachers didn't know what adhd was.  One teacher would put masking tape on my mouth.  Shit like that kinda f's up a kid during those formative years

I still deal with adhd issues.  It really sucks at times

For the people who think kids just need their ass whooped more...



So what you're saying is that if you're working and you get a bit bored and your mind wanders to that sweet AR build you want to start, things in your Amazon Wish List, what you're going to do next weekend, did you leave the stove on?

the best solution for that is for someone to come beat the shit out of you?

Diet, exercise, and removing electronics/youtube/tictok will probably cure more than HALF the diagnosises.

It's real and also a fad. There are too many "influences" and "content creators" making videos on it, using it to get likes. They talk about things that are part of the normal human condition and chalk it up to ADHD.

But it is real, that I'm sure of, I just think people are using it as a catch all. A few years ago every basic white girl had anxiety and were on Xanax. Now they all have ADHD and are on different drugs.

But I will say again, it is real, just likely over diagnosed.

As someone when went undiagnosed for a long time. It can manifest in a lot of ways.

I never really didn't bad in school due to a pretty good photographic memory, but sitting still was all but impossible. I could manage a class room but I would fidget with something.

And yea I grew up on a farms so taking care of animals, the homestead, equipment, building things was always a thing so it wasn't that my body wasn't preoccupied with useful activities.

Nor did I get a phone till I was 15 and just about got my driver's license. The phone was my mom's safety device in case of a vehicle accident and didn't have data or texting. Really it was mostly useless.

Fast forward to normal life and 2 things are noticable.
1. I mainline caffeine to focus as it calms me down.
2. Any hobby I start or interest I take I dive so deep into within a week I can damn near be an expert. (I'm exaggerating but I do a deep dive and absorb as much as I can)

I also tend to do very well at my job since it's something I like to do and can plan 2-3 steps ahead which is very good for safety and productivity.

One thing I don't like is I hyper focus too much at work I can completely forget about everything else that isn't the immediate task in front of me. My kids don't exist in that moment, wife either. It's great because no distraction but I feel guilty over it.

Likewise on most of my feelings. I get to being so logical that my feelings are practically on a switch. And flipping a happiness switch or love switch makes things feel very fake. And sympathy just doesn't exist.

So in short I'm a cold hearted narcissistic jerk that's very good at task put in front of him.

It is:
-real
-overdiagnosed
-on a spectrum
-overmedicated

It is not:
-an excuse for bad behavior
-a catch-all diagnosis
-solved through medication alone
-treated with (for example) no food coloring diet, gluten free diet, essential oils, etc.

Personal experience: most kids diagnosed with ADHD are actually afflicted by other disorders or poor parenting.

ETA: Didn't read the whole thread but noticed above me on this page a couple other posters nailed it. Highly misunderstood, requires rigorous evaluation. Your primary care physician is the wrong person for that, period.

I am the same way.

I don't think a lot of those behaviors are generally representative of ADHD as much as potentially being on the mild side of the autism spectrum.

The emotional switch and cold logical approach without felt consideration for others feelings (but you can manually understand their feelings if you want and react appropriately based on learned behavior) isn't a typical symptom of ADHD i don't think.

My wife and kids live with me in Madagascar and i love them. But then they go for 9 months to live in Morocco while a stay to work in Madagascar and i don't miss them. It's like i just switch to "living by myself" mode where I'm perfectly happy to go to work and come home and chat occasionally with them via WhatsApp but even that is mostly for their benefit.

Then when they come back, i switch back into "living with my family" mode and I'm perfectly happy to spend time with them and be the dad and husband again.

I feel guilty for not missing them.

My wife laughs and just tells me it's the autism (I've never been diagnosed or evaluated for autism but i have been diagnosed with ADHD).

I agree with the bolded.

If you take a look at the DSM the answers are there. I don't agree with how it has been bastardized with tranny nonsense in DSM-V but that aside it is the set of criteria that are used.
DSM-V ASD Criteria
DSM-IV and V ADHD Criteria

Probably way over diagnosed.  

Lazy parents would rather medicate their kids than actually parent.

It's certainly a real disorder though.

It's quite possible that it's slight autism but I don't have any other characteristics of the disorder.

For me idk how to explain it. Like the whole time leading up to having my son on Monday I didn't get excited or worried or anything really I just knuckled down with work so I could take off this week without worrying about money.

But the moment he was born healthy it's like a huge weight of anxiety was lifted. I literally cried but not in a sense of happiness but rather stress relief.

Most things you can control in life but the health of wife and child during birth isn't something I can control and was at the very least a subconscious worry.

Even now as he is laying on my chest asleep I don't have any significant emotional feeling. I know the definition of love and happiness but at most I can describe it as anxiety free. Which is about as close as I can get to happy. In my experience.

That's not to say I can't enjoy things. I do enjoy my son laying on my chest asleep, I enjoyed the end result of the 3 hour tuning session I did on my trucks sound system, I enjoy the result of range practice. But like getting excited I don't do.

Psychiatrists are medical doctors psychologists can be medical doctors but you do not have to be a medical doctor to be a psychologist.

I believe it’s like the brown recluse bites being the most over diagnosed spider bite. It’s real and can cause real damage to one self but it’s extremely diagnosed.