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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:11:29 AM EDT
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Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:12:49 AM EDT
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The article talks about infowars being sold, but it has no value (I assume) without Jones
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:18:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The article talks about infowars being sold, but it has no value (I assume) without Jones |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:20:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:26:32 AM EDT
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I always figured it would end up a 7, or at least that he'd want it to.
As a 13, he'd liquidate, then have to basically give whatever he did liquidate to the trustees. He'd then still be on the hook for the rest. With a 7, he's saying 'Im selling it all, thats all I have, I'm out of business and assets and we're calling it even at the end'. There's nothing stopping him for giving them literally nothing, some random assets, calling it good and then starting InfoCrusade.com the next day right where he left off. Entire lawsuit was a fucking scam. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:18:57 AM EDT
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That whole lawsuit was bullshit
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:29:06 AM EDT
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Eliminating the competition before November.
We're not even a Banana Republic anymore. We've jumped into straight communism 101. Not a peep from the MSM. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:29:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That whole lawsuit was bullshit This, You may not like him, but they screwed him just like they would screw you an me. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:31:19 AM EDT
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What's going to happen when all those vitality pills flood the market for pennies on the dollar?
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:53:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's going to happen when all those vitality pills flood the market for pennies on the dollar? The salvation of western civilization birth rates |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:03:54 AM EDT
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So his next move should be to pull an Al Sharpton and constantly run for office so he can live on campaign funds.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:06:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? This. Awarding damages in the billions because some conspiracy theorist online said something you don't like? That's the most un-American thing I've ever heard. The ADL and SPLC regularly engage in defamation far above and beyond anything Jones did toward their targets and yet they don't pay a cent. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:13:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. Removed because COC |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:16:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? He harmed the narrative, he started reporting on mass immigration, The Great Replacement, Voter Fraud, Poisoning the food supply, etc he helped Trump win, he led people out of the cave, so they had to make an example out of him. It was a show trial in a Kangaroo court with a hostile judge and jury. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:18:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:19:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Awarding damages in the billions because some conspiracy theorist online said something you don't like? That's the most un-American thing I've ever heard. The ADL and SPLC regularly engage in defamation far above and beyond anything Jones did toward their targets and yet they don't pay a cent. Why is that? |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:24:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions?  |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:32:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He harmed the narrative, he started reporting on mass immigration, The Great Replacement, Voter Fraud, Poisoning the food supply, etc he helped Trump win, he led people out of the cave, so they had to make an example out of him. It was a show trial in a Kangaroo court with a hostile judge and jury. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? He harmed the narrative, he started reporting on mass immigration, The Great Replacement, Voter Fraud, Poisoning the food supply, etc he helped Trump win, he led people out of the cave, so they had to make an example out of him. It was a show trial in a Kangaroo court with a hostile judge and jury. If only there was something he could have done to defend himself... like comply with discovery. 
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:39:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this is why I’m glad Ukraine Lost. AJ was a liar who peddled BS conspiracy theories and supported Socialists when it was convenient. As a reminder, if Ukraine has lost that means the war is done, right? 
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:46:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2024 4:56:39 AM EDT
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If you are not on their side = you are next.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 5:20:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? No |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 5:25:25 AM EDT
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After fast and Furious and all the other stunts our government has pulled I’m really not sure he is not right.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 5:55:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That whole lawsuit was bullshit The lawsuit wasn’t bullshit. The Verdict and punative damages sure as hell were. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 5:59:24 AM EDT
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Doesn't libel/defamation compensation require real damages as a result of any lie? What kind of damages could the sandy hook parents possibly have as a result, were people really taking Alex Jones' word over theirs to the point their careers were ruined or something? I haven't read the lawsuit but I'm pretty curious to hear the summary of the real costs that were incurred they are suing for.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:05:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AJ was a liar who peddled BS conspiracy theories and supported Socialists when it was convenient. As a reminder, if Ukraine has lost that means the war is done, right? That's called a two-tier justice system. Cheer and take your victory lap, I guess, if that's what gets your boner going. Sooner or later, that system is going to be used on you, whether you understand that or not. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:10:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't libel/defamation compensation require real damages as a result of any lie? What kind of damages could the sandy hook parents possibly have as a result, were people really taking Alex Jones' word over theirs to the point their careers were ruined or something? I haven't read the lawsuit but I'm pretty curious to hear the summary of the real costs that were incurred they are suing for. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:12:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't understand. He hurt people's feelings. Do you not value people's feelings?! Not that the final judgment isn't disproportionate, but Alex Jones no doubt made it worse with his actions during the trial. He could have settled and paid way less, but instead he chose to turn it into a circus by acting like a clown. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:14:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only there was something he could have done to defend himself... like comply with discovery. His lawyer literally gave them everything, all on “accident” of course. Yeah just comply with a rigged system, that will totally work out. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:20:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AJ was a liar who peddled BS conspiracy theories and supported Socialists when it was convenient. As a reminder, if Ukraine has lost that means the war is done, right? See how right he has been over the last 30 years and how many “conspiracy theories” have been proven right, that’s not the own you think it. When did he support “socialists”. Ukraine is not going to regain the land/ tax base it has lost, so again, they lost, Z man will milk this as long and hard as he can, then he will flee after looting the national treasury. How much more they lose is all that is being determined. Z could save many lives by eating crow, but he has his heart set on retirement on that resort in Cyprus that you bought him with your tax dollars. I wonder who will get him, CIA or FSB… |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:22:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, leftists do that all day, every day. It's all they do. Their propaganda easily rivals that of anything the Third Reich came up with. I'm not noticing any of those reptilian scumbags getting popped with billion dollar money judgments. That's called a two-tier justice system. Cheer and take your victory lap, I guess, if that's what gets your boner going. Sooner or later, that system is going to be used on you, whether you understand that or not. He doesn’t care, as long as anyone opposing the current thing is silenced he is ok with it. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? Nope. He just hurt some peoples feelings. We do live in a country full of sissies now days day though. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:24:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now you understand why the left has fallen in love with their new, shiny toy... extreme lawfare. They have figured out how to use the system against itself. The left cannot, and will not, tolerate beliefs, opinions, and positions contrary to their own. They are starting with the big fish. Eventually, they will use this model to attack anyone they don't like. These people actually call the America Flag hate speech. How much longer will it be before reciting the Pledge of Allegiance is a felony? Probably a lot sooner than we think. And conservativism did nothing to stop it, sold books and cruises and backstabbed anyone who wanted to fight.. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:25:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: See how right he has been over the last 30 years and how many "conspiracy theories" have been proven right, that's not the own you think it. When did he support "socialists". Ukraine is not going to regain the land/ tax base it has lost, so again, they lost, Z man will milk this as long and hard as he can, then he will flee after looting the national treasury. How much more they lose is all that is being determined. Z could save many lives by eating crow, but he has his heart set on retirement on that resort in Cyprus that you bought him with your tax dollars. I wonder who will get him, CIA or FSB |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:26:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your kids were murdered in a school shooting, and some left-wing loudmouth was accusing you of being a crisis actor, would that not bother you? Would you take legal action against them? Not that the final judgment isn't disproportionate, but Alex Jones no doubt made it worse with his actions during the trial. He could have settled and paid way less, but instead he chose to turn it into a circus by acting like a clown. I wouldn’t listen. I’m a fan of free speech. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:26:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, You may not like him, but they screwed him just like they would screw you an me. and Trump |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:27:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:28:26 AM EDT
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Does converting to Chapter 7 really change anything in the long run, since intentional torts like libel aren't normally dischargeable in bankruptcy?
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:29:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your kids were murdered in a school shooting, and some left-wing loudmouth was accusing you of being a crisis actor, would that not bother you? Would you take legal action against them? Not that the final judgment isn't disproportionate, but Alex Jones no doubt made it worse with his actions during the trial. He could have settled and paid way less, but instead he chose to turn it into a circus by acting like a clown. The First Amendment wasn't designed to protect speech we like and agree with. It was designed to protect speech we don't like and don't agree with. People who don't like AJ find it easy to agree with the tyrants and despots trying to silence every voice they don't like. That's an unwise position given that they will eventually become the targets of those very tyrants and despots should they fail to bend the knee. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:34:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? I’d figure a lawyer would know the definition of punitive damages? I’ll be that guy here but these threads are always filled with people that are sticking their fingers in their ears and stamping their feet about the facts and reality of this case. Completely denying that defamation is not protected by the Constitution and theory of which has a long history that stretches back before the founding. I watched a few days of the raw feed of this case and they had him dead to rights on obvious flagrant defamation. ::Alex Jones voice:: “They had the documents!” Internal emails with ad revenue breakdowns discussing the huge uptick in click throughs during the Sandy Hook segments. Not lawyers contentions, direct statements and metrics, “we need to push this story more because it brings in x more dollars.” The very definition of actual malice. The balance sheet they showed had infowars bringing in something retarded like 150k a week in boner pill sales. Added to that Jones was the white equivalent of the Christmas parade guy who acted like an unhinged maniac the entire process, trying to hide evidence from discovery, trying to hide assets from the court, etc All the thumbing his nose at the legal system that makes judges/juries want to break it off in your ass for doing. Not to mention the nature of the lie itself being so noxious itself you can’t legitimately trying to play “whatabout isms” without looking like a damn fool. iF tHeY CoULd dO iT tO HiM ?!?!? Yeah if maliciously lie for years with your own multi million dollar (cumulatively hundreds over the decades) media empire about murdered children you too could be slapped with a gargantuan civil suit. Flame suit on. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:37:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If only there was something he could have done to defend himself... like comply with discovery. You want him to punish him for not producing something he doesnt have? |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your kids were murdered in a school shooting, and some left-wing loudmouth was accusing you of being a crisis actor, would that not bother you? Would you take legal action against them? Not that the final judgment isn't disproportionate, but Alex Jones no doubt made it worse with his actions during the trial. He could have settled and paid way less, but instead he chose to turn it into a circus by acting like a clown. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You don't understand. He hurt people's feelings. Do you not value people's feelings?! Not that the final judgment isn't disproportionate, but Alex Jones no doubt made it worse with his actions during the trial. He could have settled and paid way less, but instead he chose to turn it into a circus by acting like a clown. In the old timey days I feel like this would have been settled by one of the parents just punching Jones in the face and hopefully him getting the message and moving on, rather than a bunch of lawyers preying on understandably clinically unwell people on both sides. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:42:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a lot of people, not just AJ, who have serious questions about what happened that day at Sandy Hook. Those questions have been glossed over and outright ignored by the government, which has done little more than raise even more eyebrows. The First Amendment wasn't designed to protect speech we like and agree with. It was designed to protect speech we don't like and don't agree with. People who don't like AJ find it easy to agree with the tyrants and despots trying to silence every voice they don't like. That's an unwise position given that they will eventually become the targets of those very tyrants and despots should they fail to bend the knee. Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a lot of people, not just AJ, who have serious questions about what happened that day at Sandy Hook. Those questions have been glossed over and outright ignored by the government, which has done little more than raise even more eyebrows. The First Amendment wasn't designed to protect speech we like and agree with. It was designed to protect speech we don't like and don't agree with. People who don't like AJ find it easy to agree with the tyrants and despots trying to silence every voice they don't like. That's an unwise position given that they will eventually become the targets of those very tyrants and despots should they fail to bend the knee. The First Amendment was designed to protect people from the government, not people from each. You can't slander and cause damage that can be monetized and think you're protected by the First Amendment. Quoted: In the old timey days I feel like this would have been settled by one of the parents just punching Jones in the face and hopefully him getting the message and moving on, rather than a bunch of lawyers preying on understandably clinically unwell people on both sides. Old Timey days like when the MAGA kid was suing CNN and other media outlets for slander. Where were all you First Amendment advocates then? |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:47:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even Alex Jones admitted that Sandy Hook 100% happened. The First Amendment was designed to protect people from the government, not people from each. You can't slander and cause damage that can be monetized and think you're protected by the First Amendment. Where were all you Forst Amendment advocates when the MAGA kid was suing CNN and the other media outlets for slander? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are a lot of people, not just AJ, who have serious questions about what happened that day at Sandy Hook. Those questions have been glossed over and outright ignored by the government, which has done little more than raise even more eyebrows. The First Amendment wasn't designed to protect speech we like and agree with. It was designed to protect speech we don't like and don't agree with. People who don't like AJ find it easy to agree with the tyrants and despots trying to silence every voice they don't like. That's an unwise position given that they will eventually become the targets of those very tyrants and despots should they fail to bend the knee. The First Amendment was designed to protect people from the government, not people from each. You can't slander and cause damage that can be monetized and think you're protected by the First Amendment. Where were all you Forst Amendment advocates when the MAGA kid was suing CNN and the other media outlets for slander? What monetized damages? The parenst of Sandy Hook did not have their careers or income affected by Alex Jones. The only thing they are doing is defending the honor of their dead children. While I understand and don't blame the parents for what they're doing, the judicial system is not the place to settle opinions on honor, and they are being victimized by parasitic lawyers. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:51:56 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AJ was a liar who peddled BS conspiracy theories and supported Socialists when it was convenient. As a reminder, if Ukraine has lost that means the war is done, right? People also forget he’s been caught lying multiple times(such as the album cover)I say that as someone who listened for years and bought his products. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:52:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d figure a lawyer would know the definition of punitive damages? I’ll be that guy here but these threads are always filled with people that are sticking their fingers in their ears and stamping their feet about the facts and reality of this case. Completely denying that defamation is not protected by the Constitution and theory of which has a long history that stretches back before the founding. I watched a few days of the raw feed of this case and they had him dead to rights on obvious flagrant defamation. ::Alex Jones voice:: “They had the documents!” Internal emails with ad revenue breakdowns discussing the huge uptick in click throughs during the Sandy Hook segments. Not lawyers contentions, direct statements and metrics, “we need to push this story more because it brings in x more dollars.” The very definition of actual malice. The balance sheet they showed had infowars bringing in something retarded like 150k a week in boner pill sales. Added to that Jones was the white equivalent of the Christmas parade guy who acted like an unhinged maniac the entire process, trying to hide evidence from discovery, trying to hide assets from the court, etc All the thumbing his nose at the legal system that makes judges/juries want to break it off in your ass for doing. Not to mention the nature of the lie itself being so noxious itself you can’t legitimately trying to play “whatabout isms” without looking like a damn fool. iF tHeY CoULd dO iT tO HiM ?!?!? Yeah if maliciously lie for years with your own multi million dollar (cumulatively hundreds over the decades) media empire about murdered children you too could be slapped with a gargantuan civil suit. Flame suit on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? I’d figure a lawyer would know the definition of punitive damages? I’ll be that guy here but these threads are always filled with people that are sticking their fingers in their ears and stamping their feet about the facts and reality of this case. Completely denying that defamation is not protected by the Constitution and theory of which has a long history that stretches back before the founding. I watched a few days of the raw feed of this case and they had him dead to rights on obvious flagrant defamation. ::Alex Jones voice:: “They had the documents!” Internal emails with ad revenue breakdowns discussing the huge uptick in click throughs during the Sandy Hook segments. Not lawyers contentions, direct statements and metrics, “we need to push this story more because it brings in x more dollars.” The very definition of actual malice. The balance sheet they showed had infowars bringing in something retarded like 150k a week in boner pill sales. Added to that Jones was the white equivalent of the Christmas parade guy who acted like an unhinged maniac the entire process, trying to hide evidence from discovery, trying to hide assets from the court, etc All the thumbing his nose at the legal system that makes judges/juries want to break it off in your ass for doing. Not to mention the nature of the lie itself being so noxious itself you can’t legitimately trying to play “whatabout isms” without looking like a damn fool. iF tHeY CoULd dO iT tO HiM ?!?!? Yeah if maliciously lie for years with your own multi million dollar (cumulatively hundreds over the decades) media empire about murdered children you too could be slapped with a gargantuan civil suit. Flame suit on. The few times I’ve seen Alex Jones he has been entertaining, but I agree with most of what you said. He FA and he FO. My only issue is the same that most people have with it, the damages awarded were excessive to the extreme. Well beyond punitive. Anyone who thinks that kind of dollar amount would ever be appropriate is likely a retard that is incapable of forethought, especially if you consider today's lawfare environment. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:52:56 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, leftists do that all day, every day. It's all they do. Their propaganda easily rivals that of anything the Third Reich came up with. I'm not noticing any of those reptilian scumbags getting popped with billion dollar money judgments. That's called a two-tier justice system. Cheer and take your victory lap, I guess, if that's what gets your boner going. Sooner or later, that system is going to be used on you, whether you understand that or not. Id call it multi tier for sure. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:53:32 AM EDT
[#48]
Now Russia can buy the domain and eliminate the middleman.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:53:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd figure a lawyer would know the definition of punitive damages? I'll be that guy here but these threads are always filled with people that are sticking their fingers in their ears and stamping their feet about the facts and reality of this case. Completely denying that defamation is not protected by the Constitution and theory of which has a long history that stretches back before the founding. I watched a few days of the raw feed of this case and they had him dead to rights on obvious flagrant defamation. ::Alex Jones voice:: "They had the documents!" Internal emails with ad revenue breakdowns discussing the huge uptick in click throughs during the Sandy Hook segments. Not lawyers contentions, direct statements and metrics, "we need to push this story more because it brings in x more dollars." The very definition of actual malice. The balance sheet they showed had infowars bringing in something retarded like 150k a week in boner pill sales. Added to that Jones was the white equivalent of the Christmas parade guy who acted like an unhinged maniac the entire process, trying to hide evidence from discovery, trying to hide assets from the court, etc All the thumbing his nose at the legal system that makes judges/juries want to break it off in your ass for doing. Not to mention the nature of the lie itself being so noxious itself you can't legitimately trying to play "whatabout isms" without looking like a damn fool. iF tHeY CoULd dO iT tO HiM ?!?!? Yeah if maliciously lie for years with your own multi million dollar (cumulatively hundreds over the decades) media empire about murdered children you too could be slapped with a gargantuan civil suit. Flame suit on. You can put your flame suit on if you want. However you are walking yourself into the grinder called "socialism" where your "flame suit" won't protect you. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 6:54:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If your kids were murdered in a school shooting, and some left-wing loudmouth was accusing you of being a crisis actor, would that not bother you? Would you take legal action against them? Not that the final judgment isn't disproportionate, but Alex Jones no doubt made it worse with his actions during the trial. He could have settled and paid way less, but instead he chose to turn it into a circus by acting like a clown. Again, that suit would not go anywhere, because we don’t have power in this system, and that is by design. Hell a leftist murder kids in a school and live stream it and he would be released without bail. He has a right to speak his mind, and when those parents started to use their victimhood to assault the rights of other people, they made themselves legitimate targets of and for criticism |
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