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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if someone wound up with this guy's account or how he could just troll along steadily for twenty years. An opinion that disagrees with yours about a person like Alex Jones who deliberately made himself "Controversial" for the clicks & sponsorships is hardly ... "trolling". Lots of people here on ARFCOM think Alex Jones is a complete Scumbag and eventually got exactly what he deserved.  Difference of Opinion. Bigger_Hammer  |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:15:14 PM EDT
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He can be a scumbag, be guilty of defamation, and still have had an unjust verdict. 1.5 billion is insane.
And he isn't always wrong, though he often is. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:21:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Rightt-289.jpg Quoted: Yeah. I’ve seen it plenty of times at funerals. Smiling and laughing one minute, sobbing like a baby the next. In fact, it happened to me at my mom’s service. Human emotion is a very variable thing in a time of grief. “Robbie Shaw was getting into character” is one of the dumber conspiracy theories surrounding Sandy Hook. You should be embarrassed to be peddling it. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Rightt-289.jpg How do you know? Good Times, which ran in the 1970s, did an episode about death. One of the characters acted like Robbie Shaw in the episode. I really doubt Robbie Shaw has watched Good Times. My point is you do not know how every single person will react to death.  Good Times | Florida Breaks Down | The Norman Lear Effect |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:23:22 PM EDT
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I went through a shitload of crazy emotions after finding Dad dead on the floor. Even later thinking about it could make me go from happy to devastated.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:25:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if someone wound up with this guy's account or how he could just troll along steadily for twenty years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. I wonder if someone wound up with this guy's account or how he could just troll along steadily for twenty years. Recent news events have done one hell of a job showing us just who people really are. I’ve seen it here on this site as well as at work, among friends and with family. I’ve even learned a little bit about myself lately with certain things I thought I believed but no longer do, but that’s really got more to do with learning who people really are vs. who I thought they were. Much better to find out now than later. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? Of course not. It's just more weaponized political warfare to shut down any counter voice to the left. And many are support it because they don't like the guy. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:29:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He can be a scumbag, be guilty of defamation, and still have had an unjust verdict. 1.5 billion is insane. And he isn't always wrong, though he often is. If I have learned anything on this site in 15ish years (damn) it is that everything must be black or white, there is no grey. People in general a very tribal and binary. They are almost incapable of critical thinking. Same issue if calling out Trump for 2A shit...."sorry your girl lost." Or discussing the "cause" of some event - such as inflation. Everyone wants things to be simple. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course not. It's just more weaponized political warfare to shut down any counter voice to the left. And many are support it because they don't like the guy. Defamation was illegal long before Jones came along. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:30:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this is why I'm glad Ukraine Lost. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. And this is why I'm glad Ukraine Lost.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:30:51 PM EDT
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That's some pretty high-dollar "free" speech right there.
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:32:28 PM EDT
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The fact that they went after him so hard tells me he was right.
They never did that about 9/11. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:33:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, You may not like him, but they screwed him just like they would screw you an me. Nope! Because I am not a dumbass loud mouth spouting shit to get a few clicks. He deserves to be hung out to dry. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:39:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Defamation was illegal long before Jones came along. And nobody was getting 1.5 billion for a few comments. You and others in this thread are celebrating Democrat lawfare. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:39:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d figure a lawyer would know the definition of punitive damages? I’ll be that guy here but these threads are always filled with people that are sticking their fingers in their ears and stamping their feet about the facts and reality of this case. Completely denying that defamation is not protected by the Constitution and theory of which has a long history that stretches back before the founding. I watched a few days of the raw feed of this case and they had him dead to rights on obvious flagrant defamation. ::Alex Jones voice:: “They had the documents!” Internal emails with ad revenue breakdowns discussing the huge uptick in click throughs during the Sandy Hook segments. Not lawyers contentions, direct statements and metrics, “we need to push this story more because it brings in x more dollars.” The very definition of actual malice. The balance sheet they showed had infowars bringing in something retarded like 150k a week in boner pill sales. Added to that Jones was the white equivalent of the Christmas parade guy who acted like an unhinged maniac the entire process, trying to hide evidence from discovery, trying to hide assets from the court, etc All the thumbing his nose at the legal system that makes judges/juries want to break it off in your ass for doing. Not to mention the nature of the lie itself being so noxious itself you can’t legitimately trying to play “whatabout isms” without looking like a damn fool. iF tHeY CoULd dO iT tO HiM ?!?!? Yeah if maliciously lie for years with your own multi million dollar (cumulatively hundreds over the decades) media empire about murdered children you too could be slapped with a gargantuan civil suit. Flame suit on. QFT. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was a whole lotta words to try and walk back your own summary: ""Yeah if maliciously lie for years with your own multi million dollar (cumulatively hundreds over the decades) media empire about murdered children you too could be slapped with a gargantuan civil suit." Your own characterization was one of lies about dead children. You can walk backwards all you like, but you already betrayed your thoughts. We can all see you're working backwards gymnastics to try to make a defamation about a dead child to be a defamation of a live person instead, because it is only through such contortion that you can weasel in some weak linkage to law. Contradicting someone else's facts about a dead person is defaming the dead person, not the live person. If you and I get an argument, I deny the holocaust, and you say it's real and I say that's a lie then we both know the victim of defamation here is the reputation of the holocaust victims. Again this is holocaust denial v2 but because it's more recent and 'feels' people want to wish defamation of the dead into law by saying you've defamed people who disagree with you. YOU GOT ME! YOUR PERRY MASON MOMENT! As much as you want to wish it into existence otherwise the situation is about Alex Jones defaming live people about their dead kids. I’m sorry you’re latching your star to this idiot but it’s starting to feel like I’m debating a flat earther. Never going to accept reality on reality’s terms and autistically stuck on a nonsensical premise. It’s not worth continuing debating at this point. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:44:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I always figured it would end up a 7, or at least that he'd want it to. As a 13, he'd liquidate, then have to basically give whatever he did liquidate to the trustees. He'd then still be on the hook for the rest. With a 7, he's saying 'Im selling it all, thats all I have, I'm out of business and assets and we're calling it even at the end'. There's nothing stopping him for giving them literally nothing, some random assets, calling it good and then starting InfoCrusade.com the next day right where he left off. Entire lawsuit was a fucking scam. Yes it was. I hope you're right and he is back in business the next day. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:44:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And nobody was getting 1.5 billion for a few comments. You and others in this thread are celebrating Democrat lawfare. LOL. Big miss. I've said nothing of my opinion of the monetary judgement. It wasn't "lawfare." It was clear-cut defamation and he got sued for it, and lost. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Awarding damages in the billions because some conspiracy theorist online said something you don't like? That's the most un-American thing I've ever heard. The ADL and SPLC regularly engage in defamation far above and beyond anything Jones did toward their targets and yet they don't pay a cent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? This. Awarding damages in the billions because some conspiracy theorist online said something you don't like? That's the most un-American thing I've ever heard. The ADL and SPLC regularly engage in defamation far above and beyond anything Jones did toward their targets and yet they don't pay a cent. We do not have a free country. We have a rogue government and a corrupt legal system. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:46:00 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: AJ was a liar who peddled BS conspiracy theories and supported Socialists when it was convenient. As a reminder, if Ukraine has lost that means the war is done, right?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And this is why I’m glad Ukraine Lost. AJ was a liar who peddled BS conspiracy theories and supported Socialists when it was convenient. As a reminder, if Ukraine has lost that means the war is done, right? Quite a few of his conspiracy theories end up having some truth in them. Be nice if people would take a lot of those theories a little more serious. Maybe he hasn't been right on all of them but he's probably more accurate and honest than our own government and media. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:46:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Big miss. I've said nothing of my opinion of the monetary judgement. It wasn't "lawfare." It was clear-cut defamation and he got sued for it, and lost. Big miss by you. This narrative was kicked off by Hillary and then Democrat lawyers picked up and ran with it. You and others in this thread push the left's narrative and celebrate their victory. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:48:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Big miss by you. This narrative was kicked off by Hillary and then Democrat lawyers picked up and ran with it. You and others in this thread push the left's narrative and celebrate their victory. You're not in tune with reality when it comes to this subject. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:48:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. Yeah, fuck the guy who said all the crazy things that were hidden from us and have been proven correct, because he said unproveable things about a really bad event. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're not in tune with reality when it comes to this subject. Keep schilling for the left. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:50:13 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I went through a shitload of crazy emotions after finding Dad dead on the floor. Even later thinking about it could make me go from happy to devastated. I'm sorry you had to experience that. My best friend found his dad dead in the garage, and it was an emotional roller coaster for him. 8 years later it is still something he is dealing with. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:51:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. if only he had been a Ukbro. things could have turned out differently. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 2:59:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if only he had been a Ukbro. things could have turned out differently. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. if only he had been a Ukbro. things could have turned out differently. TRUTH! |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:00:04 PM EDT
[#27]
On the left, is Alex Jones.
On the right ... the stupid stuff Alex Jones says. 
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:02:44 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the left, is Alex Jones. On the right ... the stupid stuff Alex Jones says. https://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/AusGeo/2018/01/22/66778/green-tree-frogs.jpg 
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:06:23 PM EDT
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 Attached FileQuote HistoryQuoted: And nobody was getting 1.5 billion for a few comments. You and others in this thread are celebrating Democrat lawfare. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Defamation was illegal long before Jones came along. And nobody was getting 1.5 billion for a few comments. You and others in this thread are celebrating Democrat lawfare. Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:06:32 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep schilling for the left. Yes. I'm a leftist schill(sic) because I can think critically. 
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:07:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Big miss. I've said nothing of my opinion of the monetary judgement. It wasn't "lawfare." It was clear-cut defamation and he got sued for it, and lost. Bullshit |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:08:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It gets LOTS of Media Attention. Because it is relatively rare & usually white kids - not some everyday black teenages shooting each other nightly over a drug selling street corner., The twisted kids like the Columbine shooters became famous / infamous and went from nobodies to somebodies by killing their classmates. Which then plays as a loop for idiot loner nobody losers who "want to make a name for themselves". Which gets lots of Media Attention ... in the loop again and again and again and again .... It has since long ago become a Media Standard - "O.K. - in this scene, The kid is really mentally messed up, ... so ... We have him go shoot up a school and shoot it up - preferable very young innocent young ones or perhaps his own classmates as he wants "revenge"!!! and to the point "School Shooter" has gone from being unthinkable to now being a Slang, Trope & "Standard" in our Society that everyone can see in their minds eye. Just like Airports increased security to prevent hijackings & terrorism - schools as soft targets with huge media attention should have been hardened & secured better a decade ago. But the Teachers Unions & Liberals don't want to do that ("it makes the school like a prison" they say) so we remain with our schools uniquely open to mass murder. Bigger_Hammer Exactly. This is how the conspiracies start. The fbi usually says they were watching them and do nothing. The school systems refuse to put policies in that harden security. It’s almost as if the ends justify the means… |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:09:10 PM EDT
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IIRC he negotiated a $55 million settlement with the plaintiffs but the judge denied it and the court ordered amount still stands. }
More lawfare. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:09:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit Nothing I said was untrue. Don't take up baseball, you guys are racking the strikes up  |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:09:51 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL. Big miss. I've said nothing of my opinion of the monetary judgement. It wasn't "lawfare." It was clear-cut defamation and he got sued for it, and lost. Bullshit Do you know what defamation is? |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:10:13 PM EDT
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So.... "he owes more than $1.5 billion in damages over his lies", I wonder how much the CDC, DOJ, FBI, CNN and MSNBC would owe people?
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:14:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: YOU GOT ME! YOUR PERRY MASON MOMENT! As much as you want to wish it into existence otherwise the situation is about Alex Jones defaming live people about their dead kids. I’m sorry you’re latching your star to this idiot but it’s starting to feel like I’m debating a flat earther. Never going to accept reality on reality’s terms and autistically stuck on a nonsensical premise. It’s not worth continuing debating at this point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was a whole lotta words to try and walk back your own summary: ""Yeah if maliciously lie for years with your own multi million dollar (cumulatively hundreds over the decades) media empire about murdered children you too could be slapped with a gargantuan civil suit." Your own characterization was one of lies about dead children. You can walk backwards all you like, but you already betrayed your thoughts. We can all see you're working backwards gymnastics to try to make a defamation about a dead child to be a defamation of a live person instead, because it is only through such contortion that you can weasel in some weak linkage to law. Contradicting someone else's facts about a dead person is defaming the dead person, not the live person. If you and I get an argument, I deny the holocaust, and you say it's real and I say that's a lie then we both know the victim of defamation here is the reputation of the holocaust victims. Again this is holocaust denial v2 but because it's more recent and 'feels' people want to wish defamation of the dead into law by saying you've defamed people who disagree with you. YOU GOT ME! YOUR PERRY MASON MOMENT! As much as you want to wish it into existence otherwise the situation is about Alex Jones defaming live people about their dead kids. I’m sorry you’re latching your star to this idiot but it’s starting to feel like I’m debating a flat earther. Never going to accept reality on reality’s terms and autistically stuck on a nonsensical premise. It’s not worth continuing debating at this point. These living people are so 'defamed' by Alex Jones no one has even been able to articulate a provably false fact about a living person that has caused material damages to the parents, ponder on that. Hell I doubt anyone here can even name the parties of this suit without looking at the case or a news article, even though with billions in damages that has got to be such horrible defamation that basically the entire country falsely believes you're a piece of shit based on the words of Jones. With billions of reputational damages I imagine their careers were also ruined by Jones. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:14:29 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that they went after him so hard tells me he was right. They never did that about 9/11. It’s not just AJ though. I have never seen such a coordinated effort to silence any and all discussion about that event other than the narrative given. It was the damndest thing I’ve ever seen, and that alone gave me pause. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:29:14 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, You may not like him, but they screwed him just like they would screw you an me. I agree. I'm not a fan of his, but that judgement was a real stretch. If he didn't at least tell people to call and harass the poor parents then it's not his fault. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:39:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't understand. He hurt people's feelings. Do you not value people's feelings?!  Let me check….No |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:40:24 PM EDT
[#41]
That is just a ridiculous amount of money.
What many are missing is the glaring issue, the precedent this just set. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:41:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree. I'm not a fan of his, but that judgement was a real stretch. If he didn't at least tell people to call and harass the poor parents then it's not his fault. The FBI agent got 9 million. Alex Jones never even said his name on air. People are pretending like he dedicated entire shows to Sandy Hook. From what I understand from the trial was there was only 21 minutes of recordings presented. These trials are went kept Sandy Hook in the news and probably what attracted any negative attention they received. Of course that is one of the points of going after Jones, it was to keep Sandy Hook in the news. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:46:57 PM EDT
[#43]
Judge Barbara Bellis, who found Jones liable for damages, will oversee the trial. She is the same judge who oversaw Sandy Hook families’ lawsuit against gun maker Remington, which made the Bushmaster rifle used in the school shooting. In February, Remington agreed to settle the lawsuit for $73 million. I'm sure this Judge is the hero to the Alex Jones haters in this thread. She's also the one who took out Remington/Bushmaster. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:48:13 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. They say that the most washed part of your body is your hands. I say it's clearly the brain. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPcLVCnbsAEaZ77?format=jpg&name=900x900 TV, it’s called “programming” for a reason. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:49:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The FBI agent got 9 million. Alex Jones never even said his name on air. People are pretending like he dedicated entire shows to Sandy Hook. From what I understand from the trial was there was only 21 minutes of recordings presented. These trials are went kept Sandy Hook in the news and probably what attracted any negative attention they received. Of course that is one of the points of going after Jones, it was to keep Sandy Hook in the news. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree. I'm not a fan of his, but that judgement was a real stretch. If he didn't at least tell people to call and harass the poor parents then it's not his fault. The FBI agent got 9 million. Alex Jones never even said his name on air. People are pretending like he dedicated entire shows to Sandy Hook. From what I understand from the trial was there was only 21 minutes of recordings presented. These trials are went kept Sandy Hook in the news and probably what attracted any negative attention they received. Of course that is one of the points of going after Jones, it was to keep Sandy Hook in the news. Yep. Erica Lafferty got cancer roughly during the trial and as a result of the chain of events from the so called Jones' defamation, she was able to raise enough go fund me money to go through chemotherapy. So she claims defamatory damages while in reality it appears that Jones' comments set off a chain of fundraising possibilities that very well may save her life and the damages appear to be NEGATIVE. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:50:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The verdicts totaled more than gdp of some small countries. If everyone in Grenada volunteered to put every penny they made towards paying off Jones' judgments for a year they couldn't pay it off. Jones is an a hole but did he really cause damages to people in the billions? Attached File |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What exactly has he done for freedom? Spewing BS and getting money off the usual idiots? LOLOLOL I guess you also missed the part where he is bancrupt? Or maybe you need a russian translation? He helped elect Trump, he has lead millions away from MSM, helped defend the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 9th/10 and have those who fight for them a platform to speak from, he has employed many people. “Muh bankruptcy!” Yeah, why is he? Has nothing to do with a Kangaroo Court. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is just a ridiculous amount of money. What many are missing is the glaring issue, the precedent this just set. It's only done this way because "Completely Destroy Your Life" isn't allowed as a sentence. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:53:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: if he is one of the 'important' voices behind trump were are living in sad times. jones was an asshole of the first order. he ranted about how the parents of sandy hook kids were crisis actors. the parents got continuous harassment for years by the 'true believers' that jones sold his snakeoil vitamins to. imagine your kid is killed and the populace decides they werent killed, youre faking it because you are part of a huge government conspiracy. When is it illegal to be an asshole? And yeah he is important, maybe that says more about the absolute gutter..no…Sewer that is journalism. |
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Posted: 6/7/2024 3:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Erica Lafferty got cancer roughly during the trial and as a result of the chain of events from the so called Jones' defamation, she was able to raise enough go fund me money to go through chemotherapy. So she claims defamatory damages while in reality it appears that Jones' comments set off a chain of fundraising possibilities that very well may save her life and the damages appear to be NEGATIVE. The same fbi that tried to instigate a mass shooting in garland Texas… |
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