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Posted: 12/23/2018 8:15:36 PM EDT
What does GD currently think of the metric system?  Note that for the purposes of this poll, I am really referring to the SI system.

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Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:16:56 PM EDT
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IBTP
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:17:07 PM EDT
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I hate it, especially when you're trying to work on a vehicle and it has both SAE and Metric hardware.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:17:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:18:42 PM EDT
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Don’t like it, don’t want it...
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:20:09 PM EDT
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Poll Fail.

Get both.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:20:21 PM EDT
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Invented for uneducated peasants.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:21:35 PM EDT
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I had a discussion about this very topic last week.  I was visiting college friends and their socialist son was home from college telling me we should change.  When I asked him to defend his position on changing the only reason he could give was we should join the rest of the world.....
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:21:59 PM EDT
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We should switch to SI when the boomers die off.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:22:27 PM EDT
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Invented for uneducated peasants.
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SAE or Metric?

Math makes a whole lot more sense in Metric...
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:22:58 PM EDT
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Invented for uneducated peasants.
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Metric was indeed invented for uneducated peasants.  SI, on the other hand...
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:24:02 PM EDT
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He has a point, but that is no reason to change.

Metric and Imperial are not mutually exclusive.  We use both and they both have their uses in different situations.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:26:24 PM EDT
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I think it's inevitable the US will adopt it, but until then fuck'em and measure the dick in inches.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:27:28 PM EDT
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He has a point, but that is no reason to change.

Metric and Imperial are not mutually exclusive.  We use both and they both have their uses in different situations.
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Yeah but that justification (that everyone else uses it) does piss me off.  I am profoundly in favor of switching sooner rather than later, and what the rest of the world does has nothing to do with it.  At least, not to me.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:28:53 PM EDT
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Anything critical enough to be in metric/SI already is.

Quit trying to destroy my traditional units.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:31:08 PM EDT
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Anything critical enough to be in metric/SI already is.

Quit trying to destroy my traditional units.
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It's not me that's threatening them.  It's others realizing that there is another way.  What you are fundamentally afraid of is people gaining this level of understanding.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:32:00 PM EDT
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Yeah but that justification (that everyone else uses it) does piss me off.  I am profoundly in favor of switching sooner rather than later, and what the rest of the world does has nothing to do with it.  At least, not to me.
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He has a point, but that is no reason to change.

Metric and Imperial are not mutually exclusive.  We use both and they both have their uses in different situations.
Yeah but that justification (that everyone else uses it) does piss me off.  I am profoundly in favor of switching sooner rather than later, and what the rest of the world does has nothing to do with it.  At least, not to me.
That's fair enough.

Depends if you are doing a lot of international trade, I guess.

My understanding is that a lot of US manufacturing has to cater to metric anyway of they want to sell to metric markets.

For me, it's a case of working in the units that suit the situation best.  I can do both Metric and Imperial easily, so it's no biggie to me either way.  Hence my vote would be to "get both".
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:32:26 PM EDT
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There is no single "best" system of units, and certainly not across all disciplines and applications. There are always tradeoffs.

Examples:

I prefer working with metric fasteners. All but the smallest are in integer sizes, which I find much easier to remember and distinguish than fractional inch descriptions. However, for expressing distance, I prefer customary units. In part this is due to familiarity, but it is also because we have a much more common intermediate unit - the foot. Again, the benefit being able to describe common everyday things using integers.

For describing weather conditions, I prefer Fahrenheit. Its 0-100 range nicely corresponds to typical living conditions and also provides finer graduations than Celsius. Whereas in more technical applications, I don't have a strong preference either way - it makes perfect sense to me to see a readout of engine coolant temperature in degC, for example.

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The one thing I do hate is the stupid "pound-mass" unit. It's fucking retarded, because unlike other units, it requires additional factors added on, beyond normal dimensional analysis. Want to use feet and pounds? Fine - the proper unit of mass in that system is the slug. (1 lb = 1 slug * ft / (s^2)) Stop trying to turn a unit of force into a unit of mass.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:33:48 PM EDT
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I use metric in Mexico.   They're units.

The people I know in Canada who were around when they transitioned say it was stupidest thing that's ever happened in a country with no shortage of stupid.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:35:17 PM EDT
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I’m in Canada where the metric system has been in use since I was in high school.
I’m used to the metric system but in my industry HVAC most things still use the imperial system.
Pressure in PSIG. Temperature for superheat and sub cooling in degrees F.
Duct dimensions in inches.
Pipe dimensions in inches.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:36:31 PM EDT
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The one thing I do hate is the stupid "pound-mass" unit. It's fucking retarded, because unlike other units, it requires additional factors added on, beyond normal dimensional analysis. Want to use feet and pounds? Fine - the proper unit of mass in that system is the slug. (1 lb = 1 slug * ft / (s^2)) Stop trying to turn a unit of force into a unit of mass.
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Per the NIST, the U.S. pound is indeed a measure of mass.  It's definition is 0.4536 kg.

I'm not saying that makes any sense, but that's what it is.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:37:00 PM EDT
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I use metric in Mexico.   They're units.

The people I know in Canada who were around when they transitioned say it was stupidest thing that's ever happened in a country with no shortage of stupid.
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Pricing of everything is still shown for both Lbs and Kgs
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:38:21 PM EDT
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What bothers me is when scientists talk about the definition of a kilogram. How about define a f'ing gram, not 1000x a gram. Man that pisses me off.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:39:49 PM EDT
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You'll end up with an even worse mishmash of standard and metric measurement use than Canada.

It's a social re engineering project for government intellectuals and elitists.

Don't do it
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:39:52 PM EDT
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Per the NIST, the U.S. pound is indeed a measure of mass.  It's definition is 0.4536 kg.

I'm not saying that makes any sense, but that's what it is.
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Probably why all the MEs insisted on using it, while us AEs used slugs (for those times when we weren't in SI, obviously).

It's a huge pain in the ass to use lb-mass, since basic physical formulae then need additional numerical factors added in. Easier to convert to slugs - or even to SI - do all of the work, and convert back if necessary.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:41:38 PM EDT
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What bothers me is when scientists talk about the definition of a kilogram. How about define a f'ing gram, not 1000x a gram. Man that pisses me off.
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What bothers me is when scientists talk about the definition of a kilogram. How about define a f'ing gram, not 1000x a gram. Man that pisses me off.
Ask and ye shall receive:

A gram Originally defined as "the absolute weight of a volume of pure water equal to the cube of the hundredth part of a metre [1 cm3], and at the temperature of melting ice"(later at 4 °C, the temperature of maximum density of water).

However, in a reversal of reference and defined units, a gram is now defined as one thousandth of the SI base unit, the kilogram, or 1×10-3 kg, which itself is now defined by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures, not in terms of grams, but by "the amount of electricity needed to counteract its force"
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:43:39 PM EDT
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I am 1 and 39/50ths of a meter tall, for example.
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Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:44:02 PM EDT
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Poll fail.

No "Metric system is better suited to some situations, English units to others - Master Race says Get Both" option.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:47:11 PM EDT
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Poll fail.

No "Metric system is better suited to some situations, English units to others - Master Race says Get Both" option.
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I have given you the option of pie.  Be grateful.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:47:16 PM EDT
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Well, I lile my reticles in mils and my drinks by the liter so....
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:48:27 PM EDT
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Well, I lile my reticles in mils and my drinks by the liter so....
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But what about your adjustments?
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:49:07 PM EDT
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You get your litrecola there, Farva?
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:49:52 PM EDT
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10, 10!
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:50:14 PM EDT
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Why doesn't anyone like pie?!
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:50:29 PM EDT
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Metric commies can suck on my big 25.4 cm...
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:52:06 PM EDT
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How does not being metric inconvenience your life?

Look, if you don't have the mental horsepower to sort through shit like this, then maybe you shouldn't be out in the road trying to direct traffic.  Maybe you should just let people use the units they want to use.  Not seeing anything to gain by dictate.

ETA: Not referring to OP, specifically.  It's either "your" or "y'alls".  And, I'm about all y'alled out.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:52:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:53:34 PM EDT
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And, they'd gladly do that … if they could only figure out what a fucking Pascal was.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:53:54 PM EDT
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10's!

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Metric time, baby!
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:54:17 PM EDT
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I'd happily ditch the imperial system completely.

Should have switched to metric decades ago.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:54:37 PM EDT
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Having used metric for work & lab—the transition is worth it.

I have a fraction & decimal chart from my days in the machine shop—nobody could keep track of the fractions & decimals.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:55:32 PM EDT
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I think it's inevitable the US will adopt it, but until then fuck'em and measure the dick in inches.
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You can increase your penis size by 254% by switching to the metric system.

The primary advantage of the metric system is the synergy of units.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:55:52 PM EDT
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I have given you the option of pie.  Be grateful.
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I'm not.

Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:56:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:56:33 PM EDT
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The rod on the left is an abomination .

Fuck the metric system

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Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:56:55 PM EDT
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How does not being metric inconvenience your life?

Look, if you don't have the mental horsepower to sort through shit like this, then maybe you shouldn't be out in the road trying to direct traffic.  Maybe you should just let people use the units they want to use.  Not seeing anything to gain by dictate.
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If you are referring to me, I am not here to tell anyone what to use.  But I what I can do is try to answer any questions that anyone has about this system.

Sadly, it looks like some people already came by and tried to ram this system down everyone's throats.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:58:24 PM EDT
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Imperial should just die already.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 8:58:32 PM EDT
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US metric includes kilogram-force.  Triple retarded.
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That would be a Newton.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 9:01:30 PM EDT
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The rod on the left is an abomination .

Fuck the metric system

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What is that on the left?

It looks like it could be decimeters, but that would be one really fucked up way of showing them.
Link Posted: 12/23/2018 9:01:46 PM EDT
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How does not being metric inconvenience your life?
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Buying thousands of dollars worth of sockets to remove SAE fasteners is one. Then the space, storage solutions, and weight (if traveling) needed for them.
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