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I’ve also found Golden Tiger to shoot best of the cheap Russian stuff.
I typically use Wolf though, as that’s what I commonly find available at the best price. |
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Golden Tiger makes really good 5.45, but its hell trying to find it.
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Golden Tiger is my #1 for 7.62 as well. Agreed!
I DID find some brass case 7.62 for a fair price about a month or two ago though - Geco ammo!! My range doesn't like the steel case stuff so I bought a hundred rounds to be able to sight in the rifles....that is nice stuff for the price, if you an now find it! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Lapua is the only correct answer here unfortunately it is so rare and prohibitively expensive that most Kalashnikov owners have never had the pleasure of shooting it and discovering just how accurate their can be. I managed to put away 100+ boxes of Lapua 7.62x39 at $3.00 a box. Not my pic: https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/217590/940751347/wm_13561357.jpg View Quote Was that ammo around when the Valmet was first released in the US in the 1980's? I saw the cost it is as expensive as some big game hunting cartridges. |
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WPA is made by Tula, not Wolf, note the difference in bullet weight. Actually, the best is milspec Barnaul ammo out of all the Russian ammo.
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OP said 'group' and 'AK' in the same sentence.
I'm confused. Why shoot groups with trash-can rifles? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Lapua is the only correct answer here unfortunately it is so rare and prohibitively expensive that most Kalashnikov owners have never had the pleasure of shooting it and discovering just how accurate their can be. I managed to put away 100+ boxes of Lapua 7.62x39 at $3.00 a box. Not my pic: https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/217590/940751347/wm_13561357.jpg View Quote I mean if you can find it and swing it but for that $$$ you might as well stock Hornady Brass V-Max which double as a suitable defense round on top of being MOA or better (at least in a bolt gun). |
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Tula or Barnaul is the only real choice, though. I prefer Barnaul as I’ve seen flattened and backed out primers on Tula...
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I bought a bunch of Lapua from southern Ohio gun back around 15 years ago. It was good stuff.
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Quoted: Was that ammo around when the Valmet was first released in the US in the 1980's? I saw the cost it is as expensive as some big game hunting cartridges. View Quote It is the most accurate 7.62x39 that I have ever shot but you are correct, at the current price of around $65 for a 30 round box it is not even worth buying unless you are an ammo collector. |
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Quoted: OP said 'group' and 'AK' in the same sentence. I'm confused. Why shoot groups with trash-can rifles? View Quote Most idiots here can’t shoot as well as a decent AK anyway, so why venture into shit comments you likely can’t back up? Failed To Load Title |
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GT is my favorite bulk buy followed by Wolf with the 8M3 hollow point.
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Quoted: That's an odd hill to die on. Sorry I insulted your trash-can gun. View Quote They are mass produced rifles meant for under 300 yard engagements and they can put a man down without issue. I know some here hate them but they work reliably for the intended purpose and would serve well in conflict. |
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Quoted: Most idiots here can’t shoot as well as a decent AK anyway, so why venture into shit comments you likely can’t back up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chiTUvryG5U View Quote Sorry your girl lost. |
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Quoted: They are mass produced rifles meant for under 300 yard engagements and they can put a man down without issue. I know some here hate them but they work reliably for the intended purpose and would serve well in conflict. View Quote I will take one of my milled polytech AK's over any AR on the planet in a long term shtf end of the world event. A lot of AR guys hate to admit it, but they are just better from a reliability standpoint. |
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Quoted: They are mass produced rifles meant for under 300 yard engagements and they can put a man down without issue. I know some here hate them but they work reliably for the intended purpose and would serve well in conflict. View Quote I don't hate them. They're not my thing - never have been, never will be - but I think they make a lot of sense for goat herders who live in dirty environments and need something to pump out bullets at close range without worrying about cleaning or maintenance. I didn't realize AK people were so thin-skinned, though. |
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Golden Tiger never impressed, but it went bang and was less than minute of pizza pan.
Brown Bear has been the most consistent plinking ammo for my X39. Never tried any other Bears in X39, but Silver Bear was nominal in 223.Tula Range Safe ammo in 223 is legit 2-3 MOA ammo. |
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I am a fan of this stuff. |
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yes. |
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I had a Romanian kit built by Arizona Response Systems. I put a rear aperture sight on it (doubled the sight radius) and replaced the slant brake with a muzzle device that didn’t rattle. Damn thing consistently shot 1.5-2MOA with Golden Tiger.
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Quoted: I had a Romanian kit built by Arizona Response Systems. I put a rear aperture sight on it (doubled the sight radius) and replaced the slant brake with a muzzle device that didn’t rattle. Damn thing consistently shot 1.5-2MOA with Golden Tiger. View Quote I had a Ruger Mini-30 back in the day. It would do sub-2MOA with that russian white-box stuff imported in the early 90's that had a gaping hollow point. |
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Best stuff I ever saw was a brass-cased round with a two-digit year and orange sealant. No other markings, 15-round white unmarked box. Stuff was incredible. Saw it once twenty years ago, never saw it again. Actually really accurate.
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Quoted: Oh, just hang around. Better yet, surf around. AR, FAL, and other fans are just about as bad in many cases. View Quote Some of us own and/or have owned all and aren’t handicapped by a singular platform. Ignorance and inflexibility kind of go hand in hand though. I got lucky, and had an instructor certified father who taught me that you learn the weapon, not the other way around. |
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Quoted: Was that ammo around when the Valmet was first released in the US in the 1980's? I saw the cost it is as expensive as some big game hunting cartridges. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lapua is the only correct answer here unfortunately it is so rare and prohibitively expensive that most Kalashnikov owners have never had the pleasure of shooting it and discovering just how accurate their can be. I managed to put away 100+ boxes of Lapua 7.62x39 at $3.00 a box. Not my pic: https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/217590/940751347/wm_13561357.jpg Was that ammo around when the Valmet was first released in the US in the 1980's? I saw the cost it is as expensive as some big game hunting cartridges. When I was looking to buy a Valmet M-62 around 1981/1982, the only 7.62x39 available (that I knew of ) was Lapua and it was $1 per round back then. I think minimum wage was like $3.25/hour at the time. I passed on it just because of that (but I wish I would have bought it anyway). Also, the Valmet M-62 was first released for sale in the U.S. in the late 1960s not the 1980s. The M-71 and M-76 (.223) were also around in the 1970s. |
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I've had good luck with everything mentioned, but haven't had the pleasure of Lapua or the Golden Tiger. So, with my limited experinece, the best 7.62x39mm ammo is...
My handloads. |
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I didn't realize and AKM was accurate enough that ammo choice made a difference.
Seriously I had some Romanian stuff that was really bad. Other than that I never noticed a big difference. Except for that hornady Z-Max stuff, tit's great. |
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