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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:50:59 PM EDT
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I imagine flying that would be like getting caught with a fat girl
 Probably fun, but embarrassing. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:56:31 PM EDT
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A stealthy A-7 Corsair.mwe know how you feel about the A-7 Corsair, KA3B.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:58:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2016 9:59:24 PM EDT
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There was a PBS documentary about the bid for the JSF between Boeing and LockMart. The LockMart team were hyper-competent badasses, the Boeing team were a bunch of sad sacks in comparison. Their project manager aged like 20 years in the course of the documentary.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:01:09 PM EDT
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I dont know what Boeing was thinking from that design
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:02:34 PM EDT
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I dont know what Boeing was thinking from that design Ask the AeroEngineer. 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:03:53 PM EDT
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There was a PBS documentary about the bid for the JSF between Boeing and LockMart. The LockMart team were hyper-competent badasses, the Boeing team were a bunch of sad sacks in comparison. Their project manager aged like 20 years in the course of the documentary. Didn't Boeing not even have a prototype and submitted an outdated prototype along with designs of a new plane in order to try and win it in a last ditch effort? That was pretty pathetic. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:04:50 PM EDT
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A stealthy A-7 Corsair.mwe know how you feel about the A-7 Corsair, KA3B. My thoughts exactly. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:04:57 PM EDT
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It looked like nothing so much as the spawn of an A-7 Corsair and a hideously deformed manatee. 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:05:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:07:37 PM EDT
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How can you replace something that didn't exist yet? The X-32 was the competitor to the X-35, which became the F-35.
The problems the F-35 is experiencing comes from McNamara Syndrome- trying to do too much with one airframe. Picking a different contractor wouldn't fix that. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:09:51 PM EDT
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That's a laughing jet. Hur Hur Hur Hur Hur
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:12:10 PM EDT
[#13]
I remember that PBS Nova episode. One of my favorites, but god damn that plane is ugly. Even the revision was ugly.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:13:10 PM EDT
[#14]
yeah, x-32 was soo fucking great....
except it got beat in the competition. the fucking Pelican.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:15:43 PM EDT
[#15]
There is a reason that pregnant guppy wasn't selected 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:22:34 PM EDT
[#16]
This should have been the one picked, not the YF32/35.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:23:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:24:28 PM EDT
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This should have been the one picked, not the YF32/35. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/YF-23_exhaust.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/fd/5e/51fd5e7e079984453fc143ee4ab782a6.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/59/cf/ad59cf8151afe7ef25a8e07832c4dcdc.jpg http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/northrop_f-23_1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/YF-23_front.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg Yes! A very nice compliment to the Raptor's awesomeness. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:24:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:25:37 PM EDT
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This should have been the one picked, not the YF32/35. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/YF-23_exhaust.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/fd/5e/51fd5e7e079984453fc143ee4ab782a6.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/59/cf/ad59cf8151afe7ef25a8e07832c4dcdc.jpg http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/northrop_f-23_1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/YF-23_front.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg I used to think that until I saw the raptor up close and the demo. The Raptor is a sexy bitch Oh you meant instead of the JSF. Two different birds for two different roles. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:26:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This should have been the one picked, not the YF32/35. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/YF-23_exhaust.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/fd/5e/51fd5e7e079984453fc143ee4ab782a6.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/59/cf/ad59cf8151afe7ef25a8e07832c4dcdc.jpg http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/northrop_f-23_1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/YF-23_front.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:27:47 PM EDT
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One goofy and chunky looking thing that was apparently subject to pop stall in the S/TOVL variants.
See avatar for the proper shape of such a craft.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:28:19 PM EDT
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The plane should have been 2 planes an air force and navy version . The VTOL should have been a separate plane
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:30:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I imagine flying that would be like getting caught with a fat girl Probably fun, but embarrassing. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This should have been the one picked, not the YF32/35. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/YF-23_exhaust.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/fd/5e/51fd5e7e079984453fc143ee4ab782a6.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/59/cf/ad59cf8151afe7ef25a8e07832c4dcdc.jpg http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/northrop_f-23_1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/YF-23_front.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg That wasn't even in the JSF competition. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:39:39 PM EDT
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The F-35 was the better plane. They fucked it up, but it beat the X-32 for a reason.
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:40:36 PM EDT
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The A-7 was one of the funnest jets of the past 40 years to fly, according to my coworker (who has time in OV-10s, F-4s, Skyraiders, and F15s too.)
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:45:02 PM EDT
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Stupid article is stupid. It never faced the challenges that the F35 did, because of the fact it was never even placed into prototype testing. What the fuck has happened to journalism?
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:47:36 PM EDT
[#29]
The X-22 looked hideous compared to the production F-22.
This is kinda in the same boat.... kinda.... 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:49:10 PM EDT
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This should have been the one picked, not the YF32/35. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/YF-23_exhaust.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/fd/5e/51fd5e7e079984453fc143ee4ab782a6.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/59/cf/ad59cf8151afe7ef25a8e07832c4dcdc.jpg http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/northrop_f-23_1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/YF-23_front.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg Beautiful jet! To think that at the time the F-22 and F-23 prototypes were flying, the US had the two best fighters in the world. It's a shame nothing became of the F-23. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 10:51:52 PM EDT
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The X-22 looked hideous compared to the production F-22. This is kinda in the same boat.... kinda.... http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/tct1000/x32_zpsgmulwehy.jpg I actually like the X-32 design, especially the re-design. Looks more futuristic than the F-35. Of course, looking futuristic doesn't mean it is. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:02:46 PM EDT
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I bought a plastic model kit of that plane. I still have it somewhere, never built it
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:22:46 PM EDT
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I actually like the X-32 design, especially the re-design. Looks more futuristic than the F-35. Of course, looking futuristic doesn't mean it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The X-22 looked hideous compared to the production F-22. This is kinda in the same boat.... kinda.... http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/tct1000/x32_zpsgmulwehy.jpg I actually like the X-32 design, especially the re-design. Looks more futuristic than the F-35. Of course, looking futuristic doesn't mean it is. I can appreciate it. It defiantly has some exaggerated features. What I find odd, is that all US stealth designs work hard to cover/hide/divert the engine fan blades at all angles, this design makes little attempt at it. I'm one of the few who love the F35 design. She looks fat to the streamlined 60's - 70's designed birds, but she hides all that fuel, weapons, and electronics in her very efficiently. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:30:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:35:44 PM EDT
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That thing scared me just scrolling past it! 
Oh, and: 
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:37:48 PM EDT
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This should have been the one picked, not the YF32/35. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/YF-23_exhaust.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/51/fd/5e/51fd5e7e079984453fc143ee4ab782a6.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/59/cf/ad59cf8151afe7ef25a8e07832c4dcdc.jpg http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/usa/northrop_f-23_1.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/YF-23_front.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ownXJR3mK3U/Tk4R3570AiI/AAAAAAAAAMk/_-DBNUTUp64/s1600/YF-23%2Btail.jpg That was the Northrop-McDonnel Douglas entrant to the ATF competition, not the JSF. The F-23 would make a great penetrator/strike airframe, as well as interceptor, but you can't buy them in the numbers that you need to augment and replace the F-16, F/A-18, AV-8, fleet around the world. You certainly aren't looking to replace the AV-8 with it. Because it has 2 engines, production run will be much more limited than something like the F-16 and F-35. Given the additional capabilities required for the JSF, the program cost goes even higher if you build them in the numbers that are being ordered. Engines aren't cheap, and neither is gas to feed them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:38:26 PM EDT
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Umm, except that it had brake problems (no big deal, right?)
It could not hover, and it is ass ugly. There was some set protocol, called Mission X, that was something like, take off short or vertical, go supersonic for a certain duration, then return and land vertically. I don't believe that Boing ever completed Mission X with a fully assembled aircraft, they had to keep parts off of it (maybe an intake cowling?) because they were not working right. Of the two, F-35 by a million miles. |
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Posted: 10/16/2016 11:43:53 PM EDT
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I actually like the X-32 design, especially the re-design. Looks more futuristic than the F-35. Of course, looking futuristic doesn't mean it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The X-22 looked hideous compared to the production F-22. This is kinda in the same boat.... kinda.... http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/tct1000/x32_zpsgmulwehy.jpg I actually like the X-32 design, especially the re-design. Looks more futuristic than the F-35. Of course, looking futuristic doesn't mean it is. its sitting in the museum 1 hanger over from the raptor in dayton now |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 12:25:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: its sitting in the museum 1 hanger over from the raptor in dayton now Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The X-22 looked hideous compared to the production F-22. This is kinda in the same boat.... kinda.... http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/tct1000/x32_zpsgmulwehy.jpg I actually like the X-32 design, especially the re-design. Looks more futuristic than the F-35. Of course, looking futuristic doesn't mean it is. its sitting in the museum 1 hanger over from the raptor in dayton now  |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 12:28:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2016 12:31:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2016 12:41:09 AM EDT
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The X-22 looked hideous compared to the production F-22. This is kinda in the same boat.... kinda.... http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc416/tct1000/x32_zpsgmulwehy.jpg That is the proposal airplane, not X-32. Boeing did not expect to get into a fly off, MDC was far more likely to win; the X-32 was the result. The fact that Boeing had not built a fighter since 1932 was a factor, even though the technology was a couple of generations different. MDC beat itself by proposing an airplane with a lift engine. After a clear warning that a lift engine would be disqualifying. Boeing is better off by not winning the JSF contract. You'll have to wait until I retire to hear more, besides the obvious problem of developing three airplanes for three customers inflicted on LM. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 1:50:02 AM EDT
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You'll have to wait until I retire to hear more... Are you doing pre-sales orders? You take paypal? |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 8:21:38 AM EDT
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Umm, except that it had brake problems (no big deal, right?) It could not hover, and it is ass ugly. There was some set protocol, called Mission X, that was something like, take off short or vertical, go supersonic for a certain duration, then return and land vertically. I don't believe that Boing ever completed Mission X with a fully assembled aircraft, they had to keep parts off of it (maybe an intake cowling?) because they were not working right. Of the two, F-35 by a million miles. I want to say that it was a weight issue, and that non-essential items were removed to allow the test to proceed. it was along time ago, though, and it really doesn't matter. as for the YF-23, I knew a bunch of F-16 guys at the time that the contract went to the YF-22, and they were all stunned. Several of them literally had money on the 23 ( they had bought stock early on ). |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:28:34 AM EDT
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Quote Historythe x-32 mockup is there as well; you can see it just over the mid-fuselage spine of the X-35C...
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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:33:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt looks like a botched circumcision. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:36:54 AM EDT
[#47]
F35 is better than that Boeing tub of lard.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 9:52:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2016 10:27:46 AM EDT
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the x-32 mockup is there as well; you can see it just over the mid-fuselage spine of the X-35C... Quote HistoryQuoted:
the x-32 mockup is there as well; you can see it just over the mid-fuselage spine of the X-35C... LOL! IIRC, it's actually about 100ft to the right. |
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Posted: 10/17/2016 10:29:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWe should have adopted it just we could have had the F-32 LOLFighter. 
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