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Link Posted: 2/5/2023 10:16:25 AM EDT
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50 whole yards!?  Haha
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I've owned a few STI options and competed with them. Wouldn't mind another but found them heavy/big to carry. Worse than a 1911 to me
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Or you could get a 2011 and give up nothing.


I've owned a few STI options and competed with them. Wouldn't mind another but found them heavy/big to carry. Worse than a 1911 to me
Staccato C2 or the new CS are both good options to look at. These aren't the old STI comp guns.
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Oh, the boy’s Staccato P he carries for duty/SWAT... GA and went through 2500 rounds. He had one FTE because he purposely didn't clean it for about 2000 rounds.


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Oh, the boy’s Staccato P he carries for duty/SWAT... GA and went through 2500 rounds. He had one FTE because he purposely didn't clean it for about 2000 rounds.




Yeah, that is about when mine started to act up, but I had failure to lock on an empty slide issue. I literally hosed it out, threw some oil on it, and went back to shooting. I cleaned it when I got home.

Quality built 1911s/2011s will go much longer w/o cleaning than people think. You just need to keep them lubed and use the right lube depending on how tight the pistol is. Grease on your super tight custom blaster isn't a good choice.

does anyone REALLY do that - beyond the first week after getting a permission slip to carry?


I carried a gov't model damn near everyday for 15yrs. It's not THAT heavy.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 10:28:03 AM EDT
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My wife was looking at the Nighthawk website - and not at the Ladyhawk.  She asked which one I would prefer - Nighthawk, Wilson, or Les Baer.  Caught me off guard since it’s a long time until Christmas.   I think she’s trying to lay claim to my 365xl.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 10:33:00 AM EDT
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Yeah, that is about when mine started to act up, but I had failure to lock on an empty slide issue. I literally hosed it out, threw some oil on it, and went back to shooting. I cleaned it when I got home.

Quality built 1911s/2011s will go much longer w/o cleaning than people think. You just need to keep them lubed and use the right lube depending on how tight the pistol is. Grease on your super tight custom blaster isn't a good choice.



I carried a gov't model damn near everyday for 15yrs. It's not THAT heavy.
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Oh, the boy's Staccato P he carries for duty/SWAT... GA and went through 2500 rounds. He had one FTE because he purposely didn't clean it for about 2000 rounds.




Yeah, that is about when mine started to act up, but I had failure to lock on an empty slide issue. I literally hosed it out, threw some oil on it, and went back to shooting. I cleaned it when I got home.

Quality built 1911s/2011s will go much longer w/o cleaning than people think. You just need to keep them lubed and use the right lube depending on how tight the pistol is. Grease on your super tight custom blaster isn't a good choice.

does anyone REALLY do that - beyond the first week after getting a permission slip to carry?


I carried a gov't model damn near everyday for 15yrs. It's not THAT heavy.
  Aw hell, I carry a full size damn near every day.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 10:54:43 AM EDT
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They only thing you need to know about 1911s is that everyone carried revolvers for 70 years after they were available. They were THAT unreliable.

Most boomers would be revolver or glock guys, and yes,  they are right about the 1911.
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Lol yes, so unreliable that it has stayed in service longer than any other handgun around the world, and has grown to have the largest aftermarket of any handgun, possibly any firearm.

Most of the people who are quick to trot out the "1911's are unreliable" line seem to be parroting hearsay from a relatively small window in the design's history where feedramps weren't cut for the relatively primitive hollowpoint designs that were becoming popular.

I think there's also a lot of confirmation bias to justify an individual's choice of one handgun by claiming that others made an inferior decision in their choice of handgun. These are usually the same clowns who tell everybody that they "aren't serious" if they own/carry more than one type of handgun because they for some reason believe it isn't possible to be proficient with more than one type, and/or that the logistics of stocking enough different ammo/mags/repair parts is insurmountable.

They aren't for people who lack the mechanical aptitude to rub a FPS on a stone a few times to fit it, or watch a youtube video to determine whether their extractor is tensioned properly, or to fit one. They aren't for people who are apparently willing to carry a gun they haven't cleaned in a while. And they aren't for people who don't understand that lubrication schedules vary based on the design of the firearm and the environment it's used in. But those are all problems with the user, not the gun.

Lastly, when I think of boomers I tend to think of Glocks, because they became available around the time boomers came of age to buy handguns. This period also coincides with the timeframe in which 1911s were having issues with early JHPs. Not a knock on either boomers or Glocks, but IME Glocks seem to be most preferred among boomers and gen x. 1911s are more of a greatest/silent gen thing.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 10:58:26 AM EDT
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Meh, I started out carrying the M1911A1 back in the '80s but now carry the G30S.  I will never go back to carrying Ol' Slabsides!  I have more rounds, less weight, better accuracy, and more reliability with my Tupperware gun than I ever did with Browning's baby.
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LOL he's definitely stayed in shape!  I looked at that pic and (sadly) thought I cold have put a couple more 1911s and mags on that belt and it would have still been in the front...
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 11:03:13 AM EDT
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Which is the main reason I stopped carrying mine!
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 11:07:52 AM EDT
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Get both FTW

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Capacity, check.
Awesome trigger, check.
Flat shooting, check.

I just wish I had opted for the aluminum frame or C2. It does get a bit heavy occasionally.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 11:12:12 AM EDT
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I carry the same gun with the same optic and a TLR-7a on the front. That said, I conceal it, but open carry is legal here so I don't have to worry too much about printing or exposing it. If I'm going somewhere that I want deep concealment, it's back to the 43x.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 11:15:28 AM EDT
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Lol yes, so unreliable that it has stayed in service longer than any other handgun around the world, and has grown to have the largest aftermarket of any handgun, possibly any firearm.

Most of the people who are quick to trot out the "1911's are unreliable" line seem to be parroting hearsay from a relatively small window in the design's history where feedramps weren't cut for the relatively primitive hollowpoint designs that were becoming popular.

I think there's also a lot of confirmation bias to justify an individual's choice of one handgun by claiming that others made an inferior decision in their choice of handgun. These are usually the same clowns who tell everybody that they "aren't serious" if they own/carry more than one type of handgun because they for some reason believe it isn't possible to be proficient with more than one type, and/or that the logistics of stocking enough different ammo/mags/repair parts is insurmountable.

They aren't for people who lack the mechanical aptitude to rub a FPS on a stone a few times to fit it, or watch a youtube video to determine whether their extractor is tensioned properly, or to fit one. They aren't for people who are apparently willing to carry a gun they haven't cleaned in a while. And they aren't for people who don't understand that lubrication schedules vary based on the design of the firearm ant the environment it's used in. But those are all problems with the user, not the gun.

Lastly, when I think of boomers I tend to think of Glocks, because they became available around the time boomers came of age to buy handguns. This period also coincides with the timeframe in which 1911s were having issues with early JHPs. Not a knock on either boomers or Glocks, but IME Glocks seem to be most preferred among boomers and gen x. 1911s are more of a greatest/silent gen thing.
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They only thing you need to know about 1911s is that everyone carried revolvers for 70 years after they were available. They were THAT unreliable.

Most boomers would be revolver or glock guys, and yes,  they are right about the 1911.


Lol yes, so unreliable that it has stayed in service longer than any other handgun around the world, and has grown to have the largest aftermarket of any handgun, possibly any firearm.

Most of the people who are quick to trot out the "1911's are unreliable" line seem to be parroting hearsay from a relatively small window in the design's history where feedramps weren't cut for the relatively primitive hollowpoint designs that were becoming popular.

I think there's also a lot of confirmation bias to justify an individual's choice of one handgun by claiming that others made an inferior decision in their choice of handgun. These are usually the same clowns who tell everybody that they "aren't serious" if they own/carry more than one type of handgun because they for some reason believe it isn't possible to be proficient with more than one type, and/or that the logistics of stocking enough different ammo/mags/repair parts is insurmountable.

They aren't for people who lack the mechanical aptitude to rub a FPS on a stone a few times to fit it, or watch a youtube video to determine whether their extractor is tensioned properly, or to fit one. They aren't for people who are apparently willing to carry a gun they haven't cleaned in a while. And they aren't for people who don't understand that lubrication schedules vary based on the design of the firearm ant the environment it's used in. But those are all problems with the user, not the gun.

Lastly, when I think of boomers I tend to think of Glocks, because they became available around the time boomers came of age to buy handguns. This period also coincides with the timeframe in which 1911s were having issues with early JHPs. Not a knock on either boomers or Glocks, but IME Glocks seem to be most preferred among boomers and gen x. 1911s are more of a greatest/silent gen thing.
 Great post. I'm a Boomer (barely) but didn't warm up to Glocks until the interchangeable back straps.  OTOH, I didn't own a 1911 until about 10 years ago.  My main piece was an S&W 915 for years.
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This is what holds me back.  Bought a Colt Officer's Enhanced (series 80) years ago and apparently I paid extra for it to be enhanced with fail.  Complete POS. Ended up getting a boutique locally made Commander sized model.  Turned the Colt into a project gun.  Reverse plug, single port comp and it kinda ran better but nothing like the Commander in reliability.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 11:29:45 AM EDT
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They look beautiful in shadowboxes, but their utility is outmatched significantly by modern technology. Still very cool, and the history is awesome. I would love to have a brown Betty, a 1911, and an m1 garand to display and occasionally finger.
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 Great post. I'm a Boomer (barely) but didn't warm up to Glocks until the interchangeable back straps.  OTOH, I didn't own a 1911 until about 10 years ago.  My main piece was an S&W 915 for years.
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Another great pistol!

I went from a P239 to a P-01 a couple years ago, after Sig just sort of dropped the P239 all of a sudden.
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112 year old design and it's still getting the job done.
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Sure after dumping another $1,000 into an already overpriced gun.
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Sure after dumping another $1,000 into an already overpriced gun.
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112 year old design and it's still getting the job done.


Sure after dumping another $1,000 into an already overpriced gun.
 My RIA runs right out of the box. I put a heavy buffer spring and a Shok Buff in because of hot hand loads but that's it. Trigger is sweet and other than a bad factory mag its runs like a top.
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Sure after dumping another $1,000 into an already overpriced gun.
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112 year old design and it's still getting the job done.


Sure after dumping another $1,000 into an already overpriced gun.



You have clearly never owned one
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 12:57:14 PM EDT
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Pistols are fashion accessories for most people.  It really doesn’t matter what it is.
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I carry the same gun with the same optic and a TLR-7a on the front. That said, I conceal it, but open carry is legal here so I don't have to worry too much about printing or exposing it. If I'm going somewhere that I want deep concealment, it's back to the 43x.
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I carry appendix and don’t have any problems concealing it. However when I have to tuck my shirt in, it’s a P365 in my front pocket.
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You have clearly never owned one
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Sure after dumping another $1,000 into an already overpriced gun.



You have clearly never owned one
 Yep, see my post just above. That RIA FS 10mm was $650.00 OTD. That's pretty reasonable.  Tisas blems can be had for $300ish and everybody seems to be happy with them.
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Anyone under 60 who carries a 1911:

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I saw a guy in Whole Foods that looked almost exactly like this carrying a 1911 OWB in one of those holsters that only covers the triggerguard lol.
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Wow, he's literally my twin
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Both of these pistols will shoot lights out at 50 yards,
pick your poison. That's right, 50 yard head shots. The Staccato shoots better for me though.

Fact - most plastic pistols stock triggers suck.
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Both of these pistols will shoot lights out at 50 yards,
pick your poison. That's right, 50 yard head shots. The Staccato shoots better for me though.

Fact - most plastic pistols stock triggers suck.
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I like the way you think:
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 My RIA runs right out of the box. I put a heavy buffer spring and a Shok Buff in because of hot hand loads but that's it. Trigger is sweet and other than a bad factory mag its runs like a top.
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You're lucky! It's a crap shoot if you get a 1911 out of the box that works 100% of the time. And Im not exaggerating that. I own them and know. But when we had practical shooting classes in Texas in order to get a CHL, guess what gun it was that would have malfunctions and cause a ceasefire at the range. Some proud owners will also call their 1911"reliable" if it works  most of the time, but not 100% of the time. I had somebody at the range once tell me "Yes, my 1911 works great" .Then from 2 shooting booths over I proceeded to watch him fire it and have malfunctions. I don't know why so many gunowners must lie about their gun as if it's their bastard blood son they're defending.
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Both of these pistols will shoot lights out at 50 yards,
pick your poison. That's right, 50 yard head shots. The Staccato shoots better for me though.

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50yard head shots...wow.  It must be the FlaTec.  #StaccatoLife
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You're lucky! It's a crap shoot if you get a 1911 out of the box that works 100% of the time. And Im not exaggerating that. I own them and know. But when we had practical shooting classes in Texas in order to get a CHL, guess what gun it was that would have malfunctions and cause a ceasefire at the range. Some proud owners will also call their 1911"reliable" if it works  most of the time, but not 100% of the time. I had somebody at the range once tell me "Yes, my 1911 works great" .Then from 2 shooting booths over I proceeded to watch him fire it and have malfunctions. I don't know why so many gunowners must lie about their gun as if it's their bastard blood son they're defending.
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Fact - every single Colt 1911 or Commander I've purchased ''worked with no issues" right out of the box. At this point that'll be approximately 11 pistols.

It may be very likely the practical class you went to, a lot of them were novices? Maybe you are a novice?
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Fact - every single Colt 1911 or Commander I've purchased ''worked with no issues" right out of the box. At this point that'll be approximately 11 pistols.

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Yes!!! Talk shit on Aimless!!!!


I’m carrying my 9mm 1911 in condition negative 1 (empty no mag) in a shoulder holster as we speak
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Yes!!! Talk shit on Aimless!!!!


I’m carrying my 9mm 1911 in condition negative 1 (empty no mag) in a shoulder holster as we speak
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You're lucky! It's a crap shoot if you get a 1911 out of the box that works 100% of the time. And Im not exaggerating that. I own them and know. But when we had practical shooting classes in Texas in order to get a CHL, guess what gun it was that would have malfunctions and cause a ceasefire at the range. Some proud owners will also call their 1911"reliable" if it works  most of the time, but not 100% of the time. I had somebody at the range once tell me "Yes, my 1911 works great" .Then from 2 shooting booths over I proceeded to watch him fire it and have malfunctions. I don't know why so many gunowners must lie about their gun as if it's their bastard blood son they're defending.
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The only 1911s I’ve owned that didn’t need some form of tweaking were Dan Wesson. Springfields have always needed something to run right, usually a slide stop and mags on the ,45s, almost always a chamber ramp issue on the 9mms. The one Colt I owned needed the thumb safety reworked by the factory. My Clackamass Kimbers were great, Series II guns all needed work. My one RIA ran fine but lots of sharp corners and needed a trigger job.

Staccatos and Dan Wesson a have been flawless.

The sub $1200 1911/2011 is typically gonna need something fixed if not out of the box, shortly into its life. Dan Wessons and Staccatos not so much. I’ll still buy the , with the intent of fixing the bugs and saving a fair bit. I picked up a Prodigy for my wife for $1275, swapped the disconnector, springs and extractor. It’s a damn nice shooter now. I saved enough over a Staccato that I could customize it to her liking and still be about $600 ahead. You can do the same thing with a Springfield loaded vs a comparable Dan Wesson.

Most people don’t shoot 2 boxes of ammo through a pistol a year. Cheaper 1911s start chocking when they get dirty and hot, IME.
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You're lucky! It's a crap shoot if you get a 1911 out of the box that works 100% of the time. And Im not exaggerating that. I own them and know. But when we had practical shooting classes in Texas in order to get a CHL, guess what gun it was that would have malfunctions and cause a ceasefire at the range. Some proud owners will also call their 1911"reliable" if it works  most of the time, but not 100% of the time. I had somebody at the range once tell me "Yes, my 1911 works great" .Then from 2 shooting booths over I proceeded to watch him fire it and have malfunctions. I don't know why so many gunowners must lie about their gun as if it's their bastard blood son they're defending.
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 My RIA runs right out of the box. I put a heavy buffer spring and a Shok Buff in because of hot hand loads but that's it. Trigger is sweet and other than a bad factory mag its runs like a top.

You're lucky! It's a crap shoot if you get a 1911 out of the box that works 100% of the time. And Im not exaggerating that. I own them and know. But when we had practical shooting classes in Texas in order to get a CHL, guess what gun it was that would have malfunctions and cause a ceasefire at the range. Some proud owners will also call their 1911"reliable" if it works  most of the time, but not 100% of the time. I had somebody at the range once tell me "Yes, my 1911 works great" .Then from 2 shooting booths over I proceeded to watch him fire it and have malfunctions. I don't know why so many gunowners must lie about their gun as if it's their bastard blood son they're defending.
Well then, I have been lucky twice. I had an ATI Commander, which my son now owns that was also flawless.
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The 1911 has performed adequately in the worst combat conditions on the planet.  
Nasty, muddy, mustard gas filled trenches in WW1 against mass raids of Germans? Check.
Banzai charges in jungles, deserts of North Africa, urban combat on both eastern and western front? Check.
In the coldest battles in the high mountains in the Korean War? Check.
In the nastiest jungles in Vietnam? Check.
Multiple special forces? Check.
Still in some police departments? Check.

But this guy thinks the 1911 is inadequate for a raid of overweight mall ninjas in the Scranton Mall.


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“Report on Infantry Weapons in Combat,” gave a brief synopsis on the arms used by a Marine Raider Battalion on New Georgia Island. The segment on the .45 simply stated, “U.S. Pistol, Cal. .45, M1911-M1911A1. Held up very well, but used very little.”

The 1911 makes a great paper weight.

edit: I have one. i enjoy shooting it at the range, or at least I did until it ejected its front sight into another dimension. It is large, the hammer cuts my hand, it is unreliable, but it is fun.
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“Report on Infantry Weapons in Combat,” gave a brief synopsis on the arms used by a Marine Raider Battalion on New Georgia Island. The segment on the .45 simply stated, “U.S. Pistol, Cal. .45, M1911-M1911A1. Held up very well, but used very little.”

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Well yeah, it is a "side arm". 'A Marine and his rifle...' pretty much explains it.
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Nothing wrong with the 1911, they still get the job done
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Wow!  That gun is beautiful!
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I have to back up and ask a question.....as an old guy who has always carried a 1911....is there really a hipster trend to carry them? Jeezuz.

Same goddamned thing happened to me with beards and flannel shirts.
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I have to back up and ask a question.....as an old guy who has always carried a 1911....is there really a hipster trend to carry them? Jeezuz.

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The only 1911s I’ve owned that didn’t need some form of tweaking were Dan Wesson. Springfields have always needed something to run right, usually a slide stop and mags on the ,45s, almost always a chamber ramp issue on the 9mms. The one Colt I owned needed the thumb safety reworked by the factory. My Clackamass Kimbers were great, Series II guns all needed work. My one RIA ran fine but lots of sharp corners and needed a trigger job.

Staccatos and Dan Wesson a have been flawless.

The sub $1200 1911/2011 is typically gonna need something fixed if not out of the box, shortly into its life. Dan Wessons and Staccatos not so much. I’ll still buy the , with the intent of fixing the bugs and saving a fair bit. I picked up a Prodigy for my wife for $1275, swapped the disconnector, springs and extractor. It’s a damn nice shooter now. I saved enough over a Staccato that I could customize it to her liking and still be about $600 ahead. You can do the same thing with a Springfield loaded vs a comparable Dan Wesson.

Most people don’t shoot 2 boxes of ammo through a pistol a year. Cheaper 1911s start chocking when they get dirty and hot, IME.
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You're lucky! It's a crap shoot if you get a 1911 out of the box that works 100% of the time. And Im not exaggerating that. I own them and know. But when we had practical shooting classes in Texas in order to get a CHL, guess what gun it was that would have malfunctions and cause a ceasefire at the range. Some proud owners will also call their 1911"reliable" if it works  most of the time, but not 100% of the time. I had somebody at the range once tell me "Yes, my 1911 works great" .Then from 2 shooting booths over I proceeded to watch him fire it and have malfunctions. I don't know why so many gunowners must lie about their gun as if it's their bastard blood son they're defending.


The only 1911s I’ve owned that didn’t need some form of tweaking were Dan Wesson. Springfields have always needed something to run right, usually a slide stop and mags on the ,45s, almost always a chamber ramp issue on the 9mms. The one Colt I owned needed the thumb safety reworked by the factory. My Clackamass Kimbers were great, Series II guns all needed work. My one RIA ran fine but lots of sharp corners and needed a trigger job.

Staccatos and Dan Wesson a have been flawless.

The sub $1200 1911/2011 is typically gonna need something fixed if not out of the box, shortly into its life. Dan Wessons and Staccatos not so much. I’ll still buy the , with the intent of fixing the bugs and saving a fair bit. I picked up a Prodigy for my wife for $1275, swapped the disconnector, springs and extractor. It’s a damn nice shooter now. I saved enough over a Staccato that I could customize it to her liking and still be about $600 ahead. You can do the same thing with a Springfield loaded vs a comparable Dan Wesson.

Most people don’t shoot 2 boxes of ammo through a pistol a year. Cheaper 1911s start chocking when they get dirty and hot, IME.

I've been shooting Springfield 1911s since I was 16. 22 years later with 5 guns I've never needed something tweaked beyond dealing with extractors after 10k+ rounds. Or 5 dollar surplus mags.

I'd just as soon trust a brand new Springfield milspec, garrison, Ronin, or loaded as any other handgun.

When I was working at a shop we sold minimal Springfields because my boss had a hard on for Kimber's. People would buy them, then go in the range and complain they couldn't get through a mag or two. We never had that issue with Springfields.
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I have to back up and ask a question.....as an old guy who has always carried a 1911....is there really a hipster trend to carry them? Jeezuz.

Same goddamned thing happened to me with beards and flannel shirts.
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Not everyone who carries a 1911 is a hipster, but every hipster who carries chooses a 1911.

Hipsters and, surprisingly, beatniks LOVE 1911s and CZs.
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I have to back up and ask a question.....as an old guy who has always carried a 1911....is there really a hipster trend to carry them? Jeezuz.

Same goddamned thing happened to me with beards and flannel shirts.
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I know it sucks. Fucking hipsters ruin everything.
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Not everyone who carries a 1911 is a hipster, but every hipster who carries chooses a 1911.

Hipsters and, surprisingly, beatniks LOVE 1911s and CZs.
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I have to back up and ask a question.....as an old guy who has always carried a 1911....is there really a hipster trend to carry them? Jeezuz.

Same goddamned thing happened to me with beards and flannel shirts.

Not everyone who carries a 1911 is a hipster, but every hipster who carries chooses a 1911.

Hipsters and, surprisingly, beatniks LOVE 1911s and CZs.

I always thought CZs were the only hipster gun.
Link Posted: 2/5/2023 5:23:31 PM EDT
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I cut my teeth on 1911s. I LOVED them, still do. However, I noticed that whenever I traveled to someplace where I could only rely on myself to get out of a jam, I always took a Glock with me.
Eventually, I thought about why that was, and I just came to the conclusion that if a Glock was the gun I wanted in a potentially "bad" situation, then I should just be carrying it 24/7.

And I did.
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I've been shooting Springfield 1911s since I was 16. 22 years later with 5 guns I've never needed something tweaked beyond dealing with extractors after 10k+ rounds. Or 5 dollar surplus mags.

I'd just as soon trust a brand new Springfield milspec, garrison, Ronin, or loaded as any other handgun.

When I was working at a shop we sold minimal Springfields because my boss had a hard on for Kimber's. People would buy them, then go in the range and complain they couldn't get through a mag or two. We never had that issue with Springfields.
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In the last 27 years off the top of my head I’ve owned the following guns that had issues:

1 Pre loaded officer size .45. Would not run JHP ammo without gunsmith work.
3 TRPs, all needed new mags and slide stops, to lock back on empty.
3 Loaded or Loaded target .45. Two needed slide stops, one needed a new extractor all needed new mags.
1 Lightweight 5” operator .45, had to go back to the factory for a new ramp/chamber work. So much set back, I was scared to shoot it until it was fixed.
Range Officer 9mm 5”, new extractor to run.
Lightweight Champion Range Officer 9mm. Back to the factory for ramp, chamber work to run.
Range Officer Elite 5” 9mm, back to the factory for ramp/chamber work to run right.
Prodigy 4.25” new extractor, new springs, mags and disconnector to run right.
I have had probably 5 that were I don’t recall having to do anything with other than adjust the extractor.

To Springfields credit everything I have ever sent back came back working fine.

It’s a well known fact that they spring their guns goofy to make them drop safe. They use underpowered recoil springs and overpowered mainsprings. It’s a well known fact that they often have shallow chambers.

I still think they are a great value, however IME, they have QC issues that often need to be corrected at the factory level.

1911s and 2011s I’ve owned that have been flawless out of the box:
2 Staccato Ps
3 Dan Wesson
1 S&W E Series
1 Older Sig
A few Clackamass Kimbers


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Sure after dumping another $1,000 into an already overpriced gun.
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I carried a 1911 for almost 20 years and never felt undergunned.  In 2010 I switched to a gun that has a 15 round 9mm capacity (HK)for carry but I still have my 1911s and don't intend on selling them.
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