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Posted: 10/12/2019 5:24:44 PM EDT
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Madness....RIP
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Posted: 10/12/2019 5:38:00 PM EDT
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Implode that bitch and start over..
After the investigation. Those floors buckled way too easy. 1/3rd of the building collapsed. The steel construction I have experience with didnt rely on concrete for support. The slabs were poured onto corrugated steel trays welded to the beams. This sucker just went down like it was deliberately imploded. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 5:41:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2019 5:43:32 PM EDT
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bad structural engineering or bad steel
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Posted: 10/12/2019 5:45:50 PM EDT
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Implode that bitch and start over.. After the investigation. Those floors buckled way too easy. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 5:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of y'all don't seem to understand how construction works. Structures are pretty unstable until all floors, roofs and connections are complete. That's the reason for shoring, jacks, bracing and scaffolding. My statement doesnt negate the need for proper shoring or proper curing. If it was properly shored and concrete properly cured, it shouldnt of collapsed like a house of cards. Or no? |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:04:48 PM EDT
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Looks like a very “airy” modern structure without very many beefy columns.
Not built like a 1920’s chicago skyscraper, that is for sure. Of course, probably harder to build like that on 300 feet of soaking wet subsiding mud. Eta Uncured / poor quality concrete Poor quality steel Poor building practices Poor design Poor building inspection Fluke / act of god I would say none of the man-caused answers can happen without incompetence or corruption by the inspectors. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:11:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:13:59 PM EDT
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Praise Kek? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Praise Kek? |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:19:16 PM EDT
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What is this, China?
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:22:10 PM EDT
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i wonder if the scissors lift played a role. (2:09 in the drone vid)
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:24:16 PM EDT
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collapse pattern is weird for that kind of structure.
A failure of a section should not peal the whole front off. Maybe tensioned slab and when the corner went the cables all failed? dunno |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:24:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:30:48 PM EDT
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I’d bet $ that the shoring was pulled on the upper deck before it hit strength. ETA: maybe not looks like a SOMD https://i.ibb.co/yRfyxnN/F87-EB5-C0-AF14-4741-8-D03-D96383396581.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Somebody cheating on QA/QC for the concrete. Flooding the mix with water to get more yards maybe? ETA: maybe not looks like a SOMD https://i.ibb.co/yRfyxnN/F87-EB5-C0-AF14-4741-8-D03-D96383396581.jpg |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:37:44 PM EDT
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Engineers from India?
Steel from China? Labor from Mexico? I would bet at least one of the three played a part. We are slowly devolving into a third world country and experiencing all the problems that go along with it. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:38:15 PM EDT
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Slow down there contractor guy. Contractors never screw up. I went out on a job one day to see pallets of block stacked consecutively along the edge of an elevated slab.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably time to close down from being an engineer and maybe try your hand at something else like floristry. I went out on a job one day to see pallets of block stacked consecutively along the edge of an elevated slab. But yah. I work with a lot of engineers to get approvals to mobilize equipment onto raised decks. Load distribution is a thing. Some jobs I can’t park my equipment in the same room or same floor. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 6:54:16 PM EDT
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When will people in the US wake up and demand that all hotels be banned.
We must have common sense hotel control. If we can't get an outright ban, we must at least ban assault hotels with more than ten rooms. Why can't we require comprehensive background checks for anyone checking in to a hotel? There are just too many hotel loop holes. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 7:01:04 PM EDT
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collapse pattern is weird for that kind of structure. A failure of a section should not peal the whole front off. Maybe tensioned slab and when the corner went the cables all failed? dunno The floor below the roof has a large cantilever on both sides at the corner of what didn't collapse, still shored. If you zoom in on the pictures the newest slab still has shoring in place for the top two floors. You can see the job on google maps, they were pouring from the tallest crane that is leaning toward the smaller crane. It looks to be post tensioned based on the view from google. My guess, somebody pulled shoring before tensioning the cables and a bit of communication problems with the trades and engineers. google maps view |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 7:05:56 PM EDT
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bad structural engineering or bad steel |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 7:53:21 PM EDT
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Drone footage was interesting.
Hollow concrete plank floors? Could not really tell. Skids of material on the top deck. I grew up not far from the skyline towers collapse and always think about it when upper decks were being poured above me. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 8:02:03 PM EDT
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Probably non union job and a cheap engineering firm , reinforced concrete should not do that columns look to be to far apart , probably didn't have enough acro jacks to support the pour , what a shit show . Go choke on that union dick somewhere else |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 8:03:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I still build some. But my biggest grossing company is in demolition. That building looks like a job half done to me. But yah. I work with a lot of engineers to get approvals to mobilize equipment onto raised decks. Load distribution is a thing. Some jobs I can’t park my equipment in the same room or same floor. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 8:29:10 PM EDT
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Yikes, how does that happen? |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 9:35:26 PM EDT
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Last I saw, the count of injuries has risen to eighteen, fatalities still at one. I hope it remains there.
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Posted: 10/12/2019 9:59:38 PM EDT
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Engineers from India? Steel from China? Labor from Mexico? I would bet at least one of the three played a part. We are slowly devolving into a third world country and experiencing all the problems that go along with it. The other two seem likely, but this is NOLA, so more than likely the labor is just lazy, over weight guys working for barely over minimum wage. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 10:01:02 PM EDT
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 Hard Rock Hotel Collapse video analysis of drone footage (corrected version in link below) |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 10:03:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2019 10:32:37 PM EDT
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On concrete and steel? Quote History |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 10:43:11 PM EDT
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It was clear that a number of the workers were shook up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Video looks like a construction workers nightmare. Bad day all around. Saw a gymnasium at a school collapse when they were setting steel. 
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Posted: 10/12/2019 10:47:50 PM EDT
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My bet is it's totaled, the integrity in the rest of the building material and quality of work is compromised. I wouldn't want to stay in that structure in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So after a partial collapse like that is that building totaled? Or do they just repair and continue building? |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 10:55:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:08:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:12:46 PM EDT
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No airplane hit it either.
Tragic. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:13:19 PM EDT
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High wind should not impact a building of that size/ construction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My younger brother still lives there. He said they had some pretty bad weather last night with high winds and that started it. The workers building it also attribute the high winds as the catalyst. I cant even imagine being the PM for the GC right now. That looks like a total shit show. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:18:01 PM EDT
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Upper part of building is structural steel with slab on metal deck. No shoring is required with most somd. Upper building is over cast in place concrete podium structure. I have never seen a podium slab that thick. One problem with doing a steel structure over a concrete structure is that ideal column spacing for each system is different. It looks like they are using the podium to transfer column locations. Either bad design or inferior construction.
Eta: it actually looks like they had some cantilevered steel portions shored. A lot of design features I have not seen before. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:18:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re fucking kidding me, right? Go choke on that union dick somewhere else |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:24:51 PM EDT
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Upper part of building is structural steel with slab on metal deck. No shoring is required with most somd. Upper building is over cast in place concrete podium structure. I have never seen a podium slab that thick. One problem with doing a steel structure over a concrete structure is that ideal column spacing for each system is different. It looks like they are using the podium to transfer column locations. Either bad design or inferior construction. I've worked on plenty of steel high rises here in NYC and that is how it's done , you don't want any sag in the decking what so ever . |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:36:59 PM EDT
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collapse pattern is weird for that kind of structure. A failure of a section should not peal the whole front off. Maybe tensioned slab and when the corner went the cables all failed? dunno It is an interesting collapse pattern. |
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Posted: 10/12/2019 11:39:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats not true you get deflection on the stay in place q deck and it's always smart to put in akro jacks in the middle of the decking I've worked on plenty of steel high rises here in NYC and that is how it's done , you don't want any sag in the decking what so ever . In this situation it appears the concrete was not placed recently. The cantilevered portions do seem large for a steel structure. |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 12:18:42 AM EDT
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 Hard Rock Hotel Collapse Floor decks NOT pre-fab No Supports Shown? Punch shear immature concrete? |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 1:31:20 AM EDT
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What is this, China? |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 1:35:18 AM EDT
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Ha ha if theres one thing union contractors do right it's putting up buildings, now go off with yourself and your scab buddies . Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You’re fucking kidding me, right? Go choke on that union dick somewhere else Keep on sucking that union dick. |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 1:36:26 AM EDT
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 2 dead, 1 missing, dozens hurt after Hard Rock Hotel collapses on Canal Street |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 1:38:34 AM EDT
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Yikes, how does that happen? |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 1:47:36 AM EDT
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Yeah, there’s a guy on the fourth yellow level in Green you can see running left and INTO the building while collapsing Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can see a guy just outside the building as it collapses. Doesn't look like he made it. You have to watch it on full screen.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4W0a9fcKK8
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Posted: 10/13/2019 1:49:42 AM EDT
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lol. Keep on sucking that union dick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: You’re fucking kidding me, right? Go choke on that union dick somewhere else Keep on sucking that union dick. Everybody that doesn't pay to suck union dick and the privilege to have a job is a scab.  I remember living on the east coast... My brothers HS job required him to join a union... To bag groceries and stock for minimum wage at A&P! |
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Posted: 10/13/2019 10:58:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh. That's just a typical east coast union tard response. Everybody that doesn't pay to suck union dick and the privilege to have a job is a scab. I remember living on the east coast... My brothers HS job required him to join a union... To bag groceries and stock for minimum wage at A&P! My first job was an an A&P. As a grocery bagger. They wanted me to join the union. I found another job. I guess I need to get some vanity plates for my truck that read “SCAB”. 
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Posted: 10/13/2019 11:05:00 AM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 10/13/2019 11:13:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He made it to the 2nd small window then fell down. The building then collapsed on top of him.
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Posted: 10/13/2019 11:14:06 AM EDT
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