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No, do lend lease like we did in WW2. Out-manufacture Russia by producing 10x the amount of weapons they can.

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Ukebros are like Lindsay Graham, Bill Kristol, John McStain, John Bolton, Karl Rove, Charles Krauthammer, etc

How dare you insult them. Those are some of the finest Americans this country has ever produced

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There are some that still defend pedophiles in out country, like carry a rifle to DC to do it.

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There are some that still defend pedophiles in out country, like carry a rifle to DC to do it.

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Who?

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The daily fuck Ukraine thread

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It's funny that fuck Ukrainers start a bunch of fuck Ukraine threads then whine "we need a Ukraine forum"

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I agree.

Russia should withdraw all of their troops and follow the Memorandum they signed.

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If Ukraine ever started making real gains. And taking Russian cities. Putting is going to make them glow in the dark. He still might hit the easy button depending on circumstances.

Best case scenario at this point is to force everyone to the peace table.

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What was it you said before? The more success for Ukraine on the battlefield the louder the pro-Russian legion on arfcom becomes?

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not my war

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No one seriously believes this to be true.

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Yes I can actually feel how great of a investment it is everytime I buy groceries or get gas. Every war, proxy war or intervention America just gets better.

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It doesn't matter who wins, the American taxpayer still loses for dumping money into that shit hole.

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Again:  Even with the backing of the "most powerful country on earth", aka America, with billions of dollars, advisors, and the most modern military technology, they haven't made significant gains on WWI style trench systems.

Just throwing that out there, along with "why can't the US military meet recruiting goals".   We're a dead nation and Biden and his gang of cronies are just throwing the rest to the wolves of the world to ensure they're sitting comfy.

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North Korea, Iran, Syria, Belarus, Venezuela?

There are people on here who are defending convicted pedophiles who shill for Russia.

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If we keep supplying Ukraine with heroic amounts of gear (and money)....the best case is a Korea 2.0, with the Great Minefield of Ukraine forming the new DMZ, and Russia keeping what they've held.

If we stop supplying Ukraine....well, their economy is on life support (and maybe dead already), and their domestic military industry isn't capable of supplying their troops what they need....so worst case is likely a "soft capitulation", where the Russians get a laundry list of "wants", in exchange for not bombing their way to collapsing the Ukraine and then advancing to the Dnipr.



The only victory condition even remotely likely for Ukraine is if the Russians collapse internally (as a nation-state), and the Russian Army just leaves.  No sign of that, so far.



Russia's fucked, too.  Just in different ways.

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It never really was. The best case scenario was the Russians got tired of the losses and fucked off back to Russia.

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Just finished this shit show of a book:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/q94/junker46/Screenshot_2023-08-18_1.15.50_AM.png

All we (or they) need is an ass fuck like this in Congress.  In the book, Charlie Wilson is a squandering motherfucker that barely connected the fact that he gave rise to the modern radical muslim.

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Translation, we could win but then nukes will fly. Bye bye NYC, & DC to start.

Unfortunately by walking away a new world order emerges that severely threatens the power of the dollar in several ways, but if we can be disciplined we can win economically, a tough row to hoe given our soft underbelly of leftist proletariat.

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Win, lose who cares?  

--General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, Boeing.

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It's funny that fuck Ukrainers start a bunch of fuck Ukraine threads then whine "we need a Ukraine forum"

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It doesn't matter who wins, the American taxpayer still loses for dumping money into that shit hole.

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Freedom?  Which side represents freedom?  

Having worked on major projects in both countries prior to the invasion, they are very similar, onerous former Soviet bureaucratic states.

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No, do lend lease like we did in WW2. Out-manufacture Russia by producing 10x the amount of weapons they can.

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Ukraine is winning right now.

The ruble is collapsing, the offensive is gaining steam, and sketti is posting pro-Russian doom porn. I’m sorry, “just asking questions”.

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Whether you believe it or not it's true.

Putin invaded Ukraine with the intent to subjugate and conquer the entire country in a few days and humiliate the west. Not just the eastern parts and no, Kyiv was not a feint. He wanted the entire country and to drive Zelenskyy out of the capital. Nobody expected Ukraine to offer more than a few days or weeks of resistance and Russian propagandists publicly declared Ukraine would be annihilated. In Putin's Essay "On the historical unity of Ukraine and Russia" he claimed Ukraine belonged to Russia. That's Putin himself talking, not me. Russia also publicly declared on February 26th, 2022 that they had defeated Ukraine and "Ukraine had returned to Russia". It was soon withdrawn when Russia began to flee Kyiv after losing the battle. Nato is stronger and now has 2 more nations, including one former Russian imperial colony, and Ukraine is stronger.

Ukraine is the underdog and not on the level of Russia. They're a much smaller nation with a much weaker military. For people to say "Oh, they got billions yet they can't push Russia out, they're losing" is ignorant because it's the lightweight boxer going against the heavyweight boxer and winning. The puppet government Russia intended to setup with it's JBT FSB goons isn't happening.

Odesa? Still Ukrainian.

Kherson? Liberated.

Kharkiv? Still Ukrainian.

Kyiv? Still Ukrainian.

Bucha? Even more Ukrainian after the horrors VDV soldiers did to the people there.

Izium? Free.

Kupyansk? Free.

Balakliya? Free.

Urozhaine? Recently free.

Robytne? Freedom, 50% loaded.

The victory pathways for Ukraine are much larger whereas the pathways to victory for Russia are much narrower. Russia is seen as the more powerful country yet when faced with unified Ukrainian resistance fled the capital.

Ukrainian victory is retaining most of their country and surviving as a nation. A Russian victory is taking Kyiv and accomplishing the goals they set out to on 2-24-22. Russia was closest to those goals in the weeks around 2-24.

If Ukraine succeeds in breaking the land bridge from Crimea to the mainland-and I believe they will-Russia will have traded 250k men, another countless hundreds of thousands wounded, trillions in lost assets and military hardware, and political and economic isolation for a few clumps of land.

That is a victory for Ukraine and a defeat for Russia.

Putin has a personal desire to own Kyiv because of the history of the Rus and Kyivan rus and a need to re-write it. He also can't claim to be a Tsar without owning Ukraine.

As the saying goes:

Russia with Ukraine is an empire
Russia without Ukraine is just a country

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You realize Russia is out producing the whole Nato in artillery shells by a huge margin right now ?