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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:24:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We? Are you going over to fight? Sure, maybe you should come with me and avenge all those Navy fly boys that were shot down and killed in Vietnam by Russian anti air missiles, or did you forget about that FlyNavy75? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, half the guys in the Ukraine thread are reading from the same script and trying to get anyone that disagrees with em banned. Yeah, looks like they're working from the "Identifying Malicious Individuals" section of their info warfare handbook with the grace and prowess of Biden's press secretary. One of the pro-ukraine users was following me around threads and apparently allowed to call people trash. Zero doubt he had a back channel opened with a mod or admin or some sort and was aggressively baiting for a response, knowing the site wouldn't ban his government propaganda account |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everything sent so far was already paid for. The aid "money" is the replacement costs for things which means American jobs. See, it's lies like this that make all uke bros look bad. Just over 50% of US aid sent so far has been military hardware, over 40% has been cash. So no, not everything sent so far was already paid for. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, and you actually believe that? It's one of the big uke bro lies spread here. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, maybe you should come with me and avenge all those Navy fly boys that were shot down and killed in Vietnam by Russian anti air missiles, or did you forget about that FlyNavy75? Yeah and while we're there we can get some revenge for the Germans bombing pearl harbor |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:34:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, maybe you should come with me and avenge all those Navy fly boys that were shot down and killed in Vietnam by Russian anti air missiles, or did you forget about that FlyNavy75? 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:35:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, looks like they're working from the "Identifying Malicious Individuals" section of their info warfare handbook with the grace and prowess of Biden's press secretary. One of the pro-ukraine users was following me around threads and apparently allowed to call people trash. Zero doubt he had a back channel opened with a mod or admin or some sort and was aggressively baiting for a response, knowing the site wouldn't ban his government propaganda account I’ve been suspicious that’s what at least a couple are doing. Glad someone else has noticed too. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:37:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn't quoting you, I was quoting lorzepam who is ignoring the $$$, but the aid is inextricably intertwined. If we didn't pay cash they wouldn't be fighting either. Is it a safe assumption that the "financial assistance" is also being used to pay Ukrainian military salaries? Pretty sure Ukraine said soldiers will be paid 2 or 3k per month. I do know the average pension in Ukraine is roughly $150 per month. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, maybe you should come with me and avenge all those Navy fly boys that were shot down and killed in Vietnam by Russian anti air missiles, or did you forget about that FlyNavy75? I wasn’t alive. I don’t question the bravery of anyone who fought in Vietnam. I also don’t want to go kill Brits because of the Revolutionary War either. Time to move on. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:42:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn’t alive. I don’t question the bravery of anyone who fought in Vietnam. I also don’t want to go kill Brits because of the Revolutionary War either. Time to move on.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:43:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. You Uke bros need to make up your mind. A: Russia is pitiful and inept and can't even defeat a little country like Ukraine. B: We need to spend more to stop the Russian bear before they take over all of Europe and invade the US. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We? Are you going over to fight? By this standard, if you're not Tim Ballard, you aren't allowed to be against child trafficking. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:47:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:48:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You Uke bros need to make up your mind. A: Russia is pitiful and inept and can't even defeat a little country like Ukraine. B: We need to spend more to stop the Russian bear before they take over all of Europe and invade the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. You Uke bros need to make up your mind. A: Russia is pitiful and inept and can't even defeat a little country like Ukraine. B: We need to spend more to stop the Russian bear before they take over all of Europe and invade the US. ^^^^THIS^^^^ |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll say it again....this is the most stupid talking point you anti's keep repeating. By this standard, if you're not Tim Ballard, you aren't allowed to be against child trafficking. It was a response to one of yours claiming "we will lay an insurgency on them" |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:49:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn’t alive. I don’t question the bravery of anyone who fought in Vietnam. I also don’t want to go kill Brits because of the Revolutionary War either. Time to move on. So what's with your screen name? Are you a US Navy pilot or not? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll say it again....this is the most stupid talking point you anti's keep repeating. By this standard, if you're not Tim Ballard, you aren't allowed to be against child trafficking. He said “we”. I think it is a relevant question under that context. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:53:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what's with your screen name? Are you a US Navy pilot or not? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wasn’t alive. I don’t question the bravery of anyone who fought in Vietnam. I also don’t want to go kill Brits because of the Revolutionary War either. Time to move on. So what's with your screen name? Are you a US Navy pilot or not? -Wasn't alive during Vietnam -Must be lying about being in the Navy 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: -Wasn't alive during Vietnam -Must be lying about being in the Navy https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59227/1672662513108326-2744929.jpg We can let him answer |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:55:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what's with your screen name? Are you a US Navy pilot or not? Was |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:55:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He said "we". I think it is a relevant question under that context. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You Uke bros need to make up your mind. A: Russia is pitiful and inept and can't even defeat a little country like Ukraine. B: We need to spend more to stop the Russian bear before they take over all of Europe and invade the US. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. You Uke bros need to make up your mind. A: Russia is pitiful and inept and can't even defeat a little country like Ukraine. B: We need to spend more to stop the Russian bear before they take over all of Europe and invade the US. Take Poland out of the equation and Ukraine can conquer Europe. Does that change the dynamics of your question at all? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what's with your screen name? Are you a US Navy pilot or not? Was I guess they did not realize the photo of a Naval Aviator flying may have been an indicator. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:58:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess they did not realize the photo of a Naval Aviator flying may have been an indicator. For sure, especially since that’s literally me in that photo 
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:59:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: UKR is never getting that land back, ever. Not unless some left wing reformist get into power in Russia. I’ll hasten to bet Z is gone in a few years and some “lets deal with the Russians” type guy is in power. UKR is done when the US tit dries up and it’s going to happen sooner or later. RUS and China will control UKR in a decade, either directly or indirectly. How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? Considering it would take a complete collapse of the US military for that to happen. How is that a relevant question? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:00:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess they did not realize the photo of a Naval Aviator flying may have been an indicator. It could be an indicator of something else |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:02:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure, especially since that’s literally me in that photo Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I guess they did not realize the photo of a Naval Aviator flying may have been an indicator. For sure, especially since that’s literally me in that photo Being a pilot beats anything I've ever done for coolness...but when you add in Navy...well, the less said the better. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It could be an indicator of something else Wanna get a a third party involved and put some money on it? Any amount of money is fine…. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:03:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering it would take a complete collapse of the US military for that to happen. How is that a relevant question? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: UKR is never getting that land back, ever. Not unless some left wing reformist get into power in Russia. I’ll hasten to bet Z is gone in a few years and some “lets deal with the Russians” type guy is in power. UKR is done when the US tit dries up and it’s going to happen sooner or later. RUS and China will control UKR in a decade, either directly or indirectly. How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? Considering it would take a complete collapse of the US military for that to happen. How is that a relevant question? I don't understand your point. A military collapse is pretty common in war and rarely the end. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:05:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It could be an indicator of something else After years of my patriotism being questioned because I question the Ukraine narrative I guess it’s only natural that my very existence be questioned. I bet if I had a photo in the cockpit of an Ukraine flag then it might be a tad different…but when questioning what has become a religion to many here I suppose it’s natural. And if I were lying then I’d claim to be a Navy SEAL like everyone else. They get all the women. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being a pilot beats anything I've ever done for coolness...but when you add in Navy...well, the less said the better. If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Being a pilot beats anything I've ever done for coolness...but when you add in Navy...well, the less said the better. If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:06:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take Poland out of the equation and Ukraine can conquer Europe. Does that change the dynamics of your question at all? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. You Uke bros need to make up your mind. A: Russia is pitiful and inept and can't even defeat a little country like Ukraine. B: We need to spend more to stop the Russian bear before they take over all of Europe and invade the US. Take Poland out of the equation and Ukraine can conquer Europe. Does that change the dynamics of your question at all? Pretty sure you mean Russia, not Ukraine here. Well that would just be Europeans dying to make Russia weaker, so I'm pretty sure you'd support that. Unless of course, you don't Europeans dying to make Russia weaker, but are fine with Ukrainians dying to make Russia weaker. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:07:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow So should I also want to see some Japanese blood flow? After all they killed more US Navy than anyone else? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:07:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand your point. A military collapse is pretty common in war and rarely the end. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: UKR is never getting that land back, ever. Not unless some left wing reformist get into power in Russia. I’ll hasten to bet Z is gone in a few years and some “lets deal with the Russians” type guy is in power. UKR is done when the US tit dries up and it’s going to happen sooner or later. RUS and China will control UKR in a decade, either directly or indirectly. How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? Considering it would take a complete collapse of the US military for that to happen. How is that a relevant question? I don't understand your point. A military collapse is pretty common in war and rarely the end. Is there another nation on this planet capable of defeating the US military and holding ground in FL? Yes or no? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:09:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, this is a war of genocide and wiping out people. It is a war of aggression that is a stepping stone to a Russian Federation that controls Europe. Containing it to Ukraine is a fallacy. Russia can not gain a square inch without consequences or they will keep going. Putin cares about what he gains, not what he loses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ukraine's big counteroffensive has netted them less than 100 square miles. It's like Gary Coleman throwing little haymakers as Mike Tyson covers up so as not to get a bruise. The US can help Gary tie up Tyson as much as possible, but it's obvious to all that Tyson isn't dropping the big bombs yet, because he doesn't have to. This is a war of milking. Young men die so that the corrupt get rich, and so that both sides drum up more support from their respective and perspective allies. Does anyone deny that if Russia wanted Ukraine wiped off the map tomorrow, that it would be so? No, this is a war of genocide and wiping out people. It is a war of aggression that is a stepping stone to a Russian Federation that controls Europe. Containing it to Ukraine is a fallacy. Russia can not gain a square inch without consequences or they will keep going. Putin cares about what he gains, not what he loses. It has gotten so I can’t tell the sarcasm from the delusion. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:09:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Being a pilot beats anything I've ever done for coolness...but when you add in Navy...well, the less said the better. If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow You may disagree with him on any particular subject but Flynavy is no liar. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:09:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure you mean Russia, not Ukraine here. Well that would just be Europeans dying to make Russia weaker, so I'm pretty sure you'd support that. Unless of course, you don't Europeans dying to make Russia weaker, but are fine with Ukrainians dying to make Russia weaker. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am saying the US has spent a disproportionate amount on the war in Europe compared to the Europeans who live there. You don't think showing how much, and what type of aid each country has sent gives the data context? Do you want a graph displaying each country's good intentions instead of the actual dollar amounts? And I'm saying what we are spending is a drop in the bucket of GDP. We can afford it easily. Stopping Russia now in its tracks serves as a deterrent to other nations like China, NK, Iran, Terrorists, and total jackasses. Everyone has a right to freedom. Big wars are the result of failure to deter little ones. Do you oppose a Russian Federation that controls Europe? That is Putin's goal and it is insane to let him achieve it. It is not even close to our national interests. You Uke bros need to make up your mind. A: Russia is pitiful and inept and can't even defeat a little country like Ukraine. B: We need to spend more to stop the Russian bear before they take over all of Europe and invade the US. Take Poland out of the equation and Ukraine can conquer Europe. Does that change the dynamics of your question at all? Pretty sure you mean Russia, not Ukraine here. Well that would just be Europeans dying to make Russia weaker, so I'm pretty sure you'd support that. Unless of course, you don't Europeans dying to make Russia weaker, but are fine with Ukrainians dying to make Russia weaker. No I mean Ukraine and that’s my point. ‘Little’ Ukraine isn’t so little. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:09:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow Also, the Navy now does port calls in Vietnam. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:10:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there another nation on this planet capable of defeating the US military and holding ground in FL? Yes or no? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: UKR is never getting that land back, ever. Not unless some left wing reformist get into power in Russia. I’ll hasten to bet Z is gone in a few years and some “lets deal with the Russians” type guy is in power. UKR is done when the US tit dries up and it’s going to happen sooner or later. RUS and China will control UKR in a decade, either directly or indirectly. How many casualties before you are willing to give up FL? Considering it would take a complete collapse of the US military for that to happen. How is that a relevant question? I don't understand your point. A military collapse is pretty common in war and rarely the end. Is there another nation on this planet capable of defeating the US military and holding ground in FL? Yes or no? Our territory is impervious to occupation is that what your saying? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:11:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow What about German, English or Chinese blood ? |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Being a pilot beats anything I've ever done for coolness...but when you add in Navy...well, the less said the better. If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow You can see it flow in person with this one weird trick. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:13:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: more like 50B, and that is 6-7% our annual DoD budget. Thinking the Ukraine aid will bankrupt us is like the boomer that thinks a $5 coffee is why the gen-zer cant buy a house Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When figures like $100B of more debt are drops in the bucket, we are in the collapse of the empire stage of our nation. more like 50B, and that is 6-7% our annual DoD budget. Thinking the Ukraine aid will bankrupt us is like the boomer that thinks a $5 coffee is why the gen-zer cant buy a house Over 5 years that adds up to $10K. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:13:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If he really was a Navy pilot I give him respect for that, but don't understand the "that was in the past" stuff for his fellow Navy aviators. I'd want to see some Russian blood flow Funny how most veterans of world wars don’t think like you… |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:16:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't have to "win" they just need to make it VERY painful for the Russians. If the Russians declare victory, we will lay an insurgency on them that will make Afghanistan look like a trip to Disney. This is what we should have done since day one. Cheaper monetarily, lower loss of life and significantly less damage to the infrastructure. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah gotcha...I took it was directed at me cause I responded to kerry. Is it a safe assumption that the "financial assistance" is also being used to pay Ukrainian military salaries? Pretty sure Ukraine said soldiers will be paid 2 or 3k per month. I do know the average pension in Ukraine is roughly $150 per month. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wasn't quoting you, I was quoting lorzepam who is ignoring the $$$, but the aid is inextricably intertwined. If we didn't pay cash they wouldn't be fighting either. Is it a safe assumption that the "financial assistance" is also being used to pay Ukrainian military salaries? Pretty sure Ukraine said soldiers will be paid 2 or 3k per month. I do know the average pension in Ukraine is roughly $150 per month. I haven’t seen any reports either way about military pay, just government worker pay. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:19:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take Poland out of the equation and Ukraine can conquer Europe. Does that change the dynamics of your question at all?  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:20:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what we should have done since day one. Cheaper monetarily, lower loss of life and significantly less damage to the infrastructure. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 1:20:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlyNavy75 :I also don’t want to go kill Brits because of the Revolutionary War either. Time to move on.  Attached File |
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