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OP: Thanks for the pictures. I showed them to some small kids. I told them: "You want to see where Santa lives?" They went nuts. Made for some great smiles. You have made some kids night great. Thank you. View Quote |
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It was about -40 when I landed in Yellowknife several years ago. Damn cold.
I probably won't make my winter trip up north this year chasing the Aurora like we've done the last few years, have our kid due next month... |
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One thing you might not think about if you haven't been exposed to such a climate - the ground literally zaps your body heat away, through your feet. The first time I experienced -40, I was pretty well dressed. Started doing a little work and actually started sweating - had to open a zipper a little and pace myself because sweating is the last thing you want to do. Got things under control for a while, working slow and steady, feeling ok... then after a while I noticed my feet hurting. They never felt cold, but at some point I noticed they just hurt. I was doing calf raises and shit just to keep the blood moving. But nothing took the pain away until I went inside and removed the boots. They sell inserts to insulate the bottom of your feet. View Quote |
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Quoted: I'm looking forward to hearing about the new F-35 unit (supposed to activate in April) and what chaos will come from these temps. I know the Norwegians were doing cold weather testing with them the last few years up here, but it maybe hit -30 for a day or two. This is the first real winter we've had in a while. View Quote How do they heat the cockpits is my question? I'm guessing an electric heater. |
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I was stationed in North Dakota and remember those cold times. You could really feel that cold when you breathe in
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Cool shots! Oh, and check out this pic I took of a 90th Fighter Squadron F-15E from Elmendorf back in 2005. Serious battle damage on the inside of the tail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/69882/Red_F-15E_Taxi_1-677344.jpg View Quote |
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Until I saw what you meant, I was wondering if it was the friendly fire jet from the late 80’s that took an AIM-7 up the tailpipe. Landed fine, but the rear controls and one engine were screwed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Cool shots! Oh, and check out this pic I took of a 90th Fighter Squadron F-15E from Elmendorf back in 2005. Serious battle damage on the inside of the tail. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/69882/Red_F-15E_Taxi_1-677344.jpg Sorry, no hi-res here. That's a scanned image from a 35mm film developed shot. |
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Quoted: Wild story that you mention, not sure I've heard of it but that would sure be some high pucker flying! Sorry, no hi-res here. That's a scanned image from a 35mm film developed shot. View Quote |
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@JustinOK34 So it was an AIM-9M, not an AIM-7 like I thought. Mar. 19, 1990 https://fighterjetsworld.com/historic-aircraft-and-incident/that-time-f-15-aim-9m-sidewinder-missile-accidentally-hit-another-f-15-fighter-jet/19410/ https://fighterjetsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/F-15-Hit-Another-F-15.jpg on Mar. 19, 1990 a U.S. Air Force (USAF) Elmendorf Air Force Base (AFB) F-15 Eagle accidentally hit by an AIM-9M Sidewinder missile fired from another USAF F-15. As can be seen by looking at the photo, the missile caused extensive damage to the tail section of the aircraft and moderate damage to the left-wing and engine exhaust. The F-15 pilot, Lt. Col. Jimmy L. Harris, said he was sure the accident was going to be counted as a Class A. He was almost right. The cost of repairing the aircraft was fixed at $992,058, or $7,942 short of being a Class A. However, Maj. Gen. Francis C. Gideon Jr., then commander of the Air Force Safety Center at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., said he could not determine if the service calculated the cost of the F-15 tail in the repair cost. The pilot who ‘unintentionally’ fired the missile realized what was happening moments after he released the heat-seeking Sidewinder at Harris and urgently radioed him, then Sgt. David Haulbrook then said. Harris, in the second F-15, took evasive action but was unable to completely avoid the attack. He was not injured, but his jet fighter suffered a significant amount of damage. ‘It took real good flying to get it back,’ Haulbrook said. The accident took place on the first day of the Arctic Cover air war game exercises 150 miles west of Anchorage over the Stony military operations area. The exercise was cancelled after the mishap. ‘It’s not normal procedure to call off an exercise, but we did it in the interest of safety,’ Haulbrook said. “Ed,” a former USAF weapon loader recalled on the authoritative website F-16.net “I was stationed at Elmendorf AFB in 1991, I walked into the hanger and saw this damaged F-15. I was told it was shot at by an AIM-9 missile and that the aircrew flew the jet back ‘I was a weapons loader in the Air Force and I talked to a lot of people first-hand about what happened. I made TSgt and became the weapons expeditor six months after be assigned to the 54th FS. I later made MSgt and was the Assist NCOIC. I retired in 1997. The weapons crew chief (Jeff Lang) that loaded the missile told me that there was a training AIM-9 and a live AIM-9 on the jet. The live AIM-9 was being flown to King Salmon (alert post). He said he wrote in the aircraft forms that there was a live missile and a training missile on the jet, he also told the pilot himself. The crew chief for the jet also to the pilot and the people at EOR also told the pilot. ‘After the investigation, the weapons crew was blamed for everything. The F-15 weapons T.O. also failed to say that you can’t load a training missile and a live missile on the same aircraft. I spent 15 years on the F-4C/E/G and the T.O. stated this in the general safety requirements that you couldn’t do this. ‘The aircrews for both F-15’s were cleared of any wrongdoing and the pilot that fired the missile was promoted later on to Capt. Life as a weapons load was hell, you had to write everything in the aircraft forms. What you had loaded, what station, live or inert. ‘Jeff Lang was a good crew chief and one of my go-to guys. We went on a TDY to Luke AFB and Jeff got sick and a few weeks later died of a brain aneurysm. His wife was pregnant and had a baby boy after Jeff had passed. Photo Credits: U.S. Air Force View Quote |
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Prettiest state by far, but fuck Alaskan winter. Thundering herd sir!! View Quote Was 20 down here by the ocean today. |
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I was stationed at Eielson for 4 years, sometimes I miss it and sometimes I don't. Swung wrenches on A-10's in -40 and colder temps!
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@JustinOK34 So it was an AIM-9M, not an AIM-7 like I thought. Mar. 19, 1990 https://fighterjetsworld.com/historic-aircraft-and-incident/that-time-f-15-aim-9m-sidewinder-missile-accidentally-hit-another-f-15-fighter-jet/19410/ https://fighterjetsworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/F-15-Hit-Another-F-15.jpg on Mar. 19, 1990 a U.S. Air Force (USAF) Elmendorf Air Force Base (AFB) F-15 Eagle accidentally hit by an AIM-9M Sidewinder missile fired from another USAF F-15. As can be seen by looking at the photo, the missile caused extensive damage to the tail section of the aircraft and moderate damage to the left-wing and engine exhaust. The F-15 pilot, Lt. Col. Jimmy L. Harris, said he was sure the accident was going to be counted as a Class A. He was almost right. The cost of repairing the aircraft was fixed at $992,058, or $7,942 short of being a Class A. However, Maj. Gen. Francis C. Gideon Jr., then commander of the Air Force Safety Center at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., said he could not determine if the service calculated the cost of the F-15 tail in the repair cost. The pilot who ‘unintentionally’ fired the missile realized what was happening moments after he released the heat-seeking Sidewinder at Harris and urgently radioed him, then Sgt. David Haulbrook then said. Harris, in the second F-15, took evasive action but was unable to completely avoid the attack. He was not injured, but his jet fighter suffered a significant amount of damage. ‘It took real good flying to get it back,’ Haulbrook said. The accident took place on the first day of the Arctic Cover air war game exercises 150 miles west of Anchorage over the Stony military operations area. The exercise was cancelled after the mishap. ‘It’s not normal procedure to call off an exercise, but we did it in the interest of safety,’ Haulbrook said. “Ed,” a former USAF weapon loader recalled on the authoritative website F-16.net “I was stationed at Elmendorf AFB in 1991, I walked into the hanger and saw this damaged F-15. I was told it was shot at by an AIM-9 missile and that the aircrew flew the jet back ‘I was a weapons loader in the Air Force and I talked to a lot of people first-hand about what happened. I made TSgt and became the weapons expeditor six months after be assigned to the 54th FS. I later made MSgt and was the Assist NCOIC. I retired in 1997. The weapons crew chief (Jeff Lang) that loaded the missile told me that there was a training AIM-9 and a live AIM-9 on the jet. The live AIM-9 was being flown to King Salmon (alert post). He said he wrote in the aircraft forms that there was a live missile and a training missile on the jet, he also told the pilot himself. The crew chief for the jet also to the pilot and the people at EOR also told the pilot. ‘After the investigation, the weapons crew was blamed for everything. The F-15 weapons T.O. also failed to say that you can’t load a training missile and a live missile on the same aircraft. I spent 15 years on the F-4C/E/G and the T.O. stated this in the general safety requirements that you couldn’t do this. ‘The aircrews for both F-15’s were cleared of any wrongdoing and the pilot that fired the missile was promoted later on to Capt. Life as a weapons load was hell, you had to write everything in the aircraft forms. What you had loaded, what station, live or inert. ‘Jeff Lang was a good crew chief and one of my go-to guys. We went on a TDY to Luke AFB and Jeff got sick and a few weeks later died of a brain aneurysm. His wife was pregnant and had a baby boy after Jeff had passed. Photo Credits: U.S. Air Force View Quote |
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Cool. I was just looking at AK remote land real estate listings earlier today. View Quote Former Alaskan here, be aware that "remote" means a wildly different thing in AK vs in lower 48. In lower 48 it might mean 2 hours down a gravel road from a country store. in AK it might mean driving 6 hours from Anchorage (major airport) followed by an hour in a Cessna landing on a lake followed by to hike 1.5 days through the brush with no trail. Regarding the squetna guy... in the photos it looks like he has a snow cave built, i assume he had a ton of firewood stashed away from his house earlier in the season(like you know MAY), as well as a wood stove burning , and the shelter he has up looks like a tent that he has insulated by shoveling snow onto it with the wood stove inside it. as far as digs it likely was well above freezing in there and dry. Water(he had a stove), pots and pans survive house fires just fine. Food would be his only concern and 22 days worth would be kinda iffy to stash outside his primary residence unless he had a cache of game he kept frozen outside his house old time trapper style( why pay for generator gas to freeze it when nature does it just fine?). I've spent the night outside at -34 in Fairbanks, on top of murphy dome, the wind was something on the order of 30-40 mph. Not sure what the effective temp was but if you stood up above the brush line(about 3 feet) the wind hit you like a bucket of ice water in the face, went right through balaclava and parka, was best to just hunch over and try and stay out of the brunt of it. The snow was really weird, there was about a 8 inch thick "crust" that was basically solid HARD packed. We built our shelters using a wood saw and cutting slabs of it, digging out the powder underneath(which was like coarse sand), then putting the brush we harvested over the grave, then the slabs of snow, tunnel into the shelter and put a ton of brush on the floor, then go back topside and over the whole thing with 2 feet of powder from another hole. took about 2 hours i think but that night I slept in a cheap 20 ABOVE Walmart sleeping bag, long johns, and a hat. Nothing froze. Most memorable class of my undergraduate career at UAF. |
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Amazing pictures. Make you feel like you're there. Thanks for sharing.
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I've been cold, but never anything like that.
Great photos OP, thanks. |
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Usually once a year we get a good week or so of -30 to -50 but that’s with the windchill, and not sustained for months on end
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Everything on my truck squeaks and creaks and groans at -30. Sound just seems sharper in the air too.
I don't care for much below -10 myself, then I need to start putting extra layers on. |
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One more from Eielson. This was a few days before Christmas, but is still neat. All jokes aside, I can literally see my house from there. Barely in frame, but still https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79969828_2732819726739743_1837420106246782976_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=iYV4gybMmxcAX9Z87uL&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=c608eddb0407638d3eeb650ed9ac8120&oe=5EAF7D23 View Quote Attached File |
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If you can go outside and die you probably shouldn’t be there.
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If it is -40 degrees, it is a full 105 degrees warmer than that in Austin, TX right now. That is nuts.
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If it is -40 degrees, it is a full 105 degrees warmer than that in Austin, TX right now. That is nuts. View Quote |
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Quoted: @LRShooter Former Alaskan here, be aware that "remote" means a wildly different thing in AK vs in lower 48. In lower 48 it might mean 2 hours down a gravel road from a country store. in AK it might mean driving 6 hours from Anchorage (major airport) followed by an hour in a Cessna landing on a lake followed by to hike 1.5 days through the brush with no trail. Regarding the squetna guy... in the photos it looks like he has a snow cave built, i assume he had a ton of firewood stashed away from his house earlier in the season(like you know MAY), as well as a wood stove burning , and the shelter he has up looks like a tent that he has insulated by shoveling snow onto it with the wood stove inside it. as far as digs it likely was well above freezing in there and dry. Water(he had a stove), pots and pans survive house fires just fine. Food would be his only concern and 22 days worth would be kinda iffy to stash outside his primary residence unless he had a cache of game he kept frozen outside his house old time trapper style( why pay for generator gas to freeze it when nature does it just fine?). I've spent the night outside at -34 in Fairbanks, on top of murphy dome, the wind was something on the order of 30-40 mph. Not sure what the effective temp was but if you stood up above the brush line(about 3 feet) the wind hit you like a bucket of ice water in the face, went right through balaclava and parka, was best to just hunch over and try and stay out of the brunt of it. The snow was really weird, there was about a 8 inch thick "crust" that was basically solid HARD packed. We built our shelters using a wood saw and cutting slabs of it, digging out the powder underneath(which was like coarse sand), then putting the brush we harvested over the grave, then the slabs of snow, tunnel into the shelter and put a ton of brush on the floor, then go back topside and over the whole thing with 2 feet of powder from another hole. took about 2 hours i think but that night I slept in a cheap 20 ABOVE Walmart sleeping bag, long johns, and a hat. Nothing froze. Most memorable class of my undergraduate career at UAF. View Quote |
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A buddy's kid, it was only 30 below though, and the parking lot is about 300 yards away...still a cold bitch...
Attached File You ride a open river canyon thru a ridge into some premo riding...but the river is fed by a hot spring so its open and you have to keep crossing it all the way in...But the riding once in is sweet.... Attached File Attached File |
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I dig the one with the .mils on patrol dragging the sled. Great pic.
Question: Does an AR need special prep/lube for operating reliably in super cold? |
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I dig the one with the .mils on patrol dragging the sled. Great pic. Question: Does an AR need special prep/lube for operating reliably in super cold? View Quote |
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I dig the one with the .mils on patrol dragging the sled. Great pic. Question: Does an AR need special prep/lube for operating reliably in super cold? View Quote Lubricant Arctic Weather Attached File |
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Remote usually means really fucking remote. Accessible only in winter or by air if you get enough land to build a strip on kind of remote. If the land is cheap, don't expect it to be anywhere near roads, power, etc. Unless you set up an emergency 'if you don't hear from me within X days' thing, if you get in trouble you're on your own. State Troopers did a welfare check on a guy in a remote site a few days ago with one of their helos because nobody had heard from him in a few weeks. Cabin burnt down right before Christmas, but the dude and his dog managed to survive with what was on him and could be salvaged, trapped, etc, until they got there. Honestly, I have zero idea how the guy pulled it off. Temps well below zero in real 'you're fucked' scenario is not something the extreme percentage of people would survive. To be blunt, I know I wouldn't. I'm not saying being that far out is a bad thing. Just be 100% sure you'll know how to save your ass if something goes sideways. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Cool. I was just looking at AK remote land real estate listings earlier today. I'm not saying being that far out is a bad thing. Just be 100% sure you'll know how to save your ass if something goes sideways. If you want a good read on this kind of thing, the last frontiersman is a good book. Written about Heimo Korth and his experiences, the books also has a few parts in it from old timers speaking of such things This kind of life is hard though, and I'd never do it alone, goddamn that would be miserable. |
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As a Floridian currently dripping sweat from my run in almost 80° temps this evening... this looks like a magical fairy land. I don’t even have a concept for how cold that is. I’ve never so much as dipped below 0. REALLY cool photos OP. You won the Internet this week. View Quote Cool pics, OP! |
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Was stationed at Eielson from 10-13. Glad I got stationed there and was able to experience it. But I'm pretty well done with the idea of going back to AK because of those winters.
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I am headed up to Fort Greely the end of February - beginning of March for work.... Can you tell me what temps I should expect and provide some tips of what clothing I should buy. I suspect my activity will be mostly sedentary with brief periods of moderate work. |
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TDY at Wainwright in the summer was great. No desire to go when just being outside can kill you.
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I wondered how the 22s would handle the cold snap we've had here in Anchorage for last couple weeks. Answer is they handle it by staying in the hangar. Haven't seen one out on the flight line at all. Obviously they can get cold, it's not warm at altitude, but I guess sitting out in -20 or so is still no good for them. How do they heat the cockpits is my question? I'm guessing an electric heater. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I'm looking forward to hearing about the new F-35 unit (supposed to activate in April) and what chaos will come from these temps. I know the Norwegians were doing cold weather testing with them the last few years up here, but it maybe hit -30 for a day or two. This is the first real winter we've had in a while. How do they heat the cockpits is my question? I'm guessing an electric heater. ETA: Or … just leave the CIPs powered up via support equipment. |
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Great Pics!! Not as cold but down here in Kodiak we have had LOTS of snow this year so roads and building look about the same. That pic of NPPD was cool but it looked a bit like he was taking a piss and wound up like the dog on page one. Couldnt see the face but it didnt look like Chief Dutra
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@NorthPolar I am headed up to Fort Greely the end of February - beginning of March for work.... Can you tell me what temps I should expect and provide some tips of what clothing I should buy. I suspect my activity will be mostly sedentary with brief periods of moderate work. View Quote Layers are your friend clothes wise. I’m assuming you aren’t going TDY and getting issued gear then? |
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@NorthPolar I am headed up to Fort Greely the end of February - beginning of March for work.... Can you tell me what temps I should expect and provide some tips of what clothing I should buy. I suspect my activity will be mostly sedentary with brief periods of moderate work. View Quote |
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Send some of that down here, I'm fucking sick of 60-70 degrees in fucking december/january
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