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Spark plugs? Filters (Air/Gas/etc.)? ??? Reality is that any modern car can go over 100k+ even without those things, which isn't really a "tune up" anyway, just routine maintenance (like an oil change). The exception of course would be.. <<<<<<< my avatar. Which can't go 20k without having to remove the engine! I remember cars having grease fittings that needed routine injections of grease, points that needed to be polished and carbs that needed to be adjusted. Actually, I think with the demise of the carburetor, the idea of a "tune up" started to slowly die as well. View Quote My Impala is at 150 and I haven't done any of that (going to do it in the next few weeks). |
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They'll hook up their computer.
Since they advertize that they'll change your plugs, check tires, check the exhaust system, check brake pads, check fluid levels and change out the old air filter. They will. Not that you actually need your plugs changed. As for the fluids check levels.........well, that "Jiffy _______ " place did that. But there is no harm in doing it again. Afterall, they need to justify the $_______ that they charge for the "tune up." You'll find that the Stealership usually chargers more. LOL....they have "factory authorized/trained" mechanics on staff. Not to mention that they are up to date with the re-calls on your particular vehicle. BTW....that air filter should be changed once a year. So, you wanna schedule your next appointment? Then again, we'll send you a reminder in the mail about this time next year. Aloha, Mark |
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Yep, generally around 100,000 miles. Plugs, timing chain/belt, whatever trans stuff the manufacturer recommends, rear end fluid change, flush radiator, check A/C system, etc. Basically a combination big maintenance interval and thorough check over. Modern cars CAN go 300,000-500,000 miles with small maintenance items here and there. Those that don't see regularly scheduled maintenance and tune ups, however... View Quote I had an S-10 for 15 years and didn't do anything but change the plug wires once. I didn't even change the oil. Once it ran out, I'd just fill it up again. That thing probably would've gone another 5 years or so but the timing belt broke and I decided to get something else. That thing was more of a mule/workhorse than a thoroughbred. |
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Quoted: Nah, I do all that stuff anyways and call it general maintenance. Just wondering if the 70s-80's term "tune up" meant anything nowadays. Seems it doesn't. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Manufacturers recommended preventative and scheduled maintenance. I don't know if that qualifies as a tune up. Nah, I do all that stuff anyways and call it general maintenance. Just wondering if the 70s-80's term "tune up" meant anything nowadays. Seems it doesn't. |
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In PA your car has to be inspected yearly. So it's safe to say my car gets a yearly tuneup.
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Quoted: So you don't check the mixture, timing, replace the points/rotor/condensor, and set the point gap/dwell, or valve clearance? Thats not a tune up.....you are just changing the plugs and filters....do you bother to gap the plugs, or just install them straight out of the box? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/86/a5/8486a5876eeffb872f00b1ab658b5eeb.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Manufacturers recommended preventative and scheduled maintenance. I don't know if that qualifies as a tune up. Nah, I do all that stuff anyways and call it general maintenance. Just wondering if the 70s-80's term "tune up" meant anything nowadays. Seems it doesn't. So you don't check the mixture, timing, replace the points/rotor/condensor, and set the point gap/dwell, or valve clearance? Thats not a tune up.....you are just changing the plugs and filters....do you bother to gap the plugs, or just install them straight out of the box? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/86/a5/8486a5876eeffb872f00b1ab658b5eeb.jpg |
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Stock vehicle keeping it to stock tuning. I get we can tune a vehicle to make more power, are you tuning engines that get out of adjustment from stock power levels? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Change your fluids and filters? Not much else that I'm aware of these days can be "tuned up" wat Stock vehicle keeping it to stock tuning. I get we can tune a vehicle to make more power, are you tuning engines that get out of adjustment from stock power levels? With all the electronics in modern cars, there's not much that can get out of tune unless a part is broken....at which time the car tells you to get it serviced (and throws a code). |
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Spark plugs? Filters (Air/Gas/etc.)? ??? Reality is that any modern car can go over 100k+ even without those things, which isn't really a "tune up" anyway, just routine maintenance (like an oil change). The exception of course would be.. <<<<<<< my avatar. Which can't go 20k without having to remove the engine! I remember cars having grease fittings that needed routine injections of grease, points that needed to be polished and carbs that needed to be adjusted. Actually, I think with the demise of the carburetor, the idea of a "tune up" started to slowly die as well. View Quote My parents gave me their old aerostar when I turned 16. It went almost 190k miles on the original set of spark plugs. Though it did run quite a bit better when I finally changed them. Only major thing wrong with it at that point was the sliding door wouldn't open. |
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The lean af ratios require top performing spark plugs, or a Noticeably poor running engine results. Probably not so bad to the layman but to someone who works exclusively on that car, we pick up on those things. Combine it with Multiple spark discharge, the plugs don't last as long. New Mercedes-Benz requires plugs at 60k miles. They must be indexed or poor running and engine damage will result. Just a few years ago the interval was 100k miles.
Fuel filters are now a 150k miles item. So is coolant. Except now fuel filter is integrated in to a sending unit and is inside the tank, sometimes requiring tank removal to access. Coolant change requires replacement of coolant tank to replenish silicate block inside. Transmission services, differential (dependant on type), brake fluid, dust filter, air filters,... some stuff varies with model but still falls under maintenance. Some more exotic models or options require additional maintenance. Differential locks, multi function camera, hubs, even bolt replacement on certain applications. There are places you could go that would never service these items because they don't know to. A v12 would require a low temperature cooling system service at three years, but an uninformed person wouldn't know to do it. Or to drain the oil coolers on some models, oil hoses on others, drain plugs require replacement on a select few as well. Jiffy lube doesn't do this stuff. It's beyond the ability of most backyard mechanics or shade tree types... |
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So you don't check the mixture, timing, replace the points/rotor/condensor, and set the point gap/dwell, or valve clearance? Thats not a tune up.....you are just changing the plugs and filters....do you bother to gap the plugs, or just install them straight out of the box? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/86/a5/8486a5876eeffb872f00b1ab658b5eeb.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Manufacturers recommended preventative and scheduled maintenance. I don't know if that qualifies as a tune up. Nah, I do all that stuff anyways and call it general maintenance. Just wondering if the 70s-80's term "tune up" meant anything nowadays. Seems it doesn't. So you don't check the mixture, timing, replace the points/rotor/condensor, and set the point gap/dwell, or valve clearance? Thats not a tune up.....you are just changing the plugs and filters....do you bother to gap the plugs, or just install them straight out of the box? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/86/a5/8486a5876eeffb872f00b1ab658b5eeb.jpg Pretty sure ben knows what he's doing. |
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Quoted: Pretty sure ben knows what he's doing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Manufacturers recommended preventative and scheduled maintenance. I don't know if that qualifies as a tune up. Nah, I do all that stuff anyways and call it general maintenance. Just wondering if the 70s-80's term "tune up" meant anything nowadays. Seems it doesn't. So you don't check the mixture, timing, replace the points/rotor/condensor, and set the point gap/dwell, or valve clearance? Thats not a tune up.....you are just changing the plugs and filters....do you bother to gap the plugs, or just install them straight out of the box? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/86/a5/8486a5876eeffb872f00b1ab658b5eeb.jpg Pretty sure ben knows what he's doing. |
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Assuming you've been doing your routine maintenance, there's not much to tune up. The flushes and cleanings that are suggested are helpful. Many of which you can do yourself, if you are the DIY type. Spark plugs generally last 100k, but if the car isn't running clean, then platinum or yytrium is actually prone to carbon deposits.
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I had an S-10 for 15 years and didn't do anything but change the plug wires once. I didn't even change the oil. Once it ran out, I'd just fill it up again. That thing probably would've gone another 5 years or so but the timing belt broke and I decided to get something else. That thing was more of a mule/workhorse than a thoroughbred. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yep, generally around 100,000 miles. Plugs, timing chain/belt, whatever trans stuff the manufacturer recommends, rear end fluid change, flush radiator, check A/C system, etc. Basically a combination big maintenance interval and thorough check over. Modern cars CAN go 300,000-500,000 miles with small maintenance items here and there. Those that don't see regularly scheduled maintenance and tune ups, however... I had an S-10 for 15 years and didn't do anything but change the plug wires once. I didn't even change the oil. Once it ran out, I'd just fill it up again. That thing probably would've gone another 5 years or so but the timing belt broke and I decided to get something else. That thing was more of a mule/workhorse than a thoroughbred. lol no |
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Nobody else remembers the joy of adjusting valves every 12K? Wasn't that fun?
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My interpretation was carb adjustments, timing, setting your points etc etc was a tune up. The engine was out of factory specs and not running properly. So what are you tuning these days that the engine is out of spec? Not talking about adding power. That kind of tune up I'm well aware of and enjoy the fact that I can get horsepower emailed to me View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Change your fluids and filters? Not much else that I'm aware of these days can be "tuned up" wat Stock vehicle keeping it to stock tuning. I get we can tune a vehicle to make more power, are you tuning engines that get out of adjustment from stock power levels? Let's take a normal, basic gas engine example. Old school days. What were the primary things performed during a "tune-up" besides maintenance? Carburetor adjustments (air/fuel) and distributor adjustments (timing). Guess what a modern 'tune' download changes? Air/fuel and timing. Just because the tool is a flash device instead of a screwdriver, does not inherently change the act. And to those to who cry "but it's not stock after a tune!", well, after Johnny mechanic turns the spark advance up 5 degrees on your '78 351W, is it still any more or less stock than the same thing performed electronically on a newer engine? My interpretation was carb adjustments, timing, setting your points etc etc was a tune up. The engine was out of factory specs and not running properly. So what are you tuning these days that the engine is out of spec? Not talking about adding power. That kind of tune up I'm well aware of and enjoy the fact that I can get horsepower emailed to me My Ego-Boost F-150 eats plugs at about 35K, I am on my second set. It carves nice divots in the underside of the electrode, and the boost starts blowing out the spark at low RPM/high load.... You can feel it. |
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A "Tune-up" IE: replacing plugs/wires, adjusting the carb, removing the fuel pump and cleaning out sediment, adjusting timing, checking compression, checking belt tension, replacing the PCV, checking the battery or whatever else the manufacturer called for is just a regular service. It used to be you had to do everything at 5k miles, then it got extended to 10k, then 15k, then 50k. Now a "tune-up" is a 90-100k service depending on the manufacturer. A lot of things are no longer done, like replacing the points & condenser, or cleaning out the fuel pump. Some things have been added, like replacing the timing belt. View Quote This. plugs/wires, fuel filter, belts, etc... It's a good idea if you plan on keeping it. |
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Quoted: Let's take a normal, basic gas engine example. Old school days. What were the primary things performed during a "tune-up" besides maintenance? Carburetor adjustments (air/fuel) and distributor adjustments (timing). Guess what a modern 'tune' download changes? Air/fuel and timing. Just because the tool is a flash device instead of a screwdriver, does not inherently change the act. And to those to who cry "but it's not stock after a tune!", well, after Johnny mechanic turns the spark advance up 5 degrees on your '78 351W, is it still any more or less stock than the same thing performed electronically on a newer engine? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Change your fluids and filters? Not much else that I'm aware of these days can be "tuned up" wat Stock vehicle keeping it to stock tuning. I get we can tune a vehicle to make more power, are you tuning engines that get out of adjustment from stock power levels? Let's take a normal, basic gas engine example. Old school days. What were the primary things performed during a "tune-up" besides maintenance? Carburetor adjustments (air/fuel) and distributor adjustments (timing). Guess what a modern 'tune' download changes? Air/fuel and timing. Just because the tool is a flash device instead of a screwdriver, does not inherently change the act. And to those to who cry "but it's not stock after a tune!", well, after Johnny mechanic turns the spark advance up 5 degrees on your '78 351W, is it still any more or less stock than the same thing performed electronically on a newer engine? |
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How many of our younger members know what this is? Besides a wrench, buttheads. http://i.imgur.com/PEHhvD2.jpg View Quote Is it to get that spark plug in the very back behind all the brackets and heater hoses & header pipes? |
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Quoted: Is it to get that spark plug in the very back behind all the brackets and heater hoses & header pipes? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How many of our younger members know what this is? Besides a wrench, buttheads. http://i.imgur.com/PEHhvD2.jpg Is it to get that spark plug in the very back behind all the brackets and heater hoses & header pipes? |
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How many of our younger members know what this is? Besides a wrench, buttheads. http://i.imgur.com/PEHhvD2.jpg Is it to get that spark plug in the very back behind all the brackets and heater hoses & header pipes? 1/2 or 9/16? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How many of our younger members know what this is? Besides a wrench, buttheads. http://i.imgur.com/PEHhvD2.jpg Is it to get that spark plug in the very back behind all the brackets and heater hoses & header pipes? 1/2 or 9/16? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How many of our younger members know what this is? Besides a wrench, buttheads. http://i.imgur.com/PEHhvD2.jpg Is it to get that spark plug in the very back behind all the brackets and heater hoses & header pipes? 1/2 or 9/16? It loosens the distributor hold down bolt so you can adjust the timing. |
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I took my son's malibu and had it put on the dyno for Christmas a few years back
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So you don't check the mixture, timing, replace the points/rotor/condensor, and set the point gap/dwell, or valve clearance? Thats not a tune up.....you are just changing the plugs and filters....do you bother to gap the plugs, or just install them straight out of the box? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/84/86/a5/8486a5876eeffb872f00b1ab658b5eeb.jpg Pretty sure ben knows what he's doing. Fair enough There are so many guys out there that can't tune a car without a laptop that I've become a bit jaded! |
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A tune-up used to be done every 15,000-25,000 miles.
Adjust points, check/adjust timing, change spark plugs, change spark plug wires, filters, change cap and rotor, fuel filter, valve adjustments, carb clean, etc. NONE of that shit has to be done anymore with any kind of significant frequency. Electronic ignition got rid of points, and made plugs last much longer. Then platinum plugs in conjunction made those a 100,000 mile change. Computers took over timing. Cap and Rotors were replaced with computer controlled coil packs. Modern silicone plug wires last the life of the car, if you even have plug wires with modern coil-over-plugs. No more carbs. Modern air filters don't grab all the funk under the hood like they used to, and have more surface area and last longer. Valves aren't solid and don't require constant adjustment. No, there are no more tune-ups. |
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My '95 1.6 liter Civic required valve adjustments every 15,000 miles. It also needed new plugs around every 30,000 miles as well as a distributor rotor. With that and regular oil changes it lasted me 320,000 miles and still ran great and got 35 mpg when I sold it.
My 4.7 Toyota needs a timing belt at 90,000 and plugs at 100,000. Other than filters and fluid changes, that's about it. Modern engines are more reliable and less labor intensive than ever. |
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My '95 1.6 liter Civic required valve adjustments every 15,000 miles. It also needed new plugs around every 30,000 miles as well as a distributor rotor. With that and regular oil changes it lasted me 320,000 miles and still ran great and got 35 mpg when I sold it. View Quote Was something special about that engine with valves? I had an 82, 88, and maintained a couple 90's models and none of them ever required valve adjustments over lives of 200,000 miles. |
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Not like the old days. Interval maintenance yes, but I'm not even sure what that consists of and I don't ask. Just do what ever it is you do and give me the keys after the wash and detail.
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Here's an idea: Skip all that "routine maintenance" BS that's just ripping you off. You know it's not really necessary anyway.
I'll be watching for a thread next year about how your ride is a "complete piece of shit" and the company that made it is "a collection of greedy, incompetent assholes". You don't have to use my language -- you can start writing your thread now and get it really polished for its debut next year. For everyone else: "Tune Ups" aren't really a thing anymore -- stuff tends to keep running right up until it doesn't nowadays. And if you like sitting by the side of the road waiting for a tow truck, you can put off the maintenance until things blow up and then break other things because failure loves company. So yeah, you still have to maintain your car. It's got lots of moving parts and has pieces that last a long time, but still wear out. If it moves, it needs service eventually. Fluids move, you have to change your oil, your brake fluid, your coolants and transmission fluids. Belts move, they gotta be replaced eventually. Hoses flex, they wear out. Solenoids, switches, relays, etc. you get the idea. Also, things designed to move but don't -- will sit, rot, and rust faster, so drive your car regularly. |
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Here's an idea: Skip all that "routine maintenance" BS that's just ripping you off. You know it's not really necessary anyway. I'll be watching for a thread next year about how your ride is a "complete piece of shit" and the company that made it is "a collection of greedy, incompetent assholes". You don't have to use my language -- you can start writing your thread now and get it really polished for its debut next year. For everyone else: "Tune Ups" aren't really a thing anymore -- stuff tends to keep running right up until it doesn't nowadays. And if you like sitting by the side of the road waiting for a tow truck, you can put off the maintenance until things blow up and then break other things because failure loves company. So yeah, you still have to maintain your car. It's got lots of moving parts and has pieces that last a long time, but still wear out. If it moves, it needs service eventually. Fluids move, you have to change your oil, your brake fluid, your coolants and transmission fluids. Belts move, they gotta be replaced eventually. Hoses flex, they wear out. Solenoids, switches, relays, etc. you get the idea. Also, things designed to move but don't -- will sit, rot, and rust faster, so drive your car regularly. View Quote You sure typed a whole lot, to not really say anything. |
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I stood there and watched him do it. I looked the cap and button over myself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bought a 05 GMC pickup last year with 42k on it. It seemed to have a little hesitation in motor but no codes. Took to garage and had new plugs and wires and rotor cap and button. Rotor button looked very burnt. Runs great now with no stumble in motor. . They probably poured 2 cans of Techron in the fuel tank, which cleared your injectors, and then changed your spark plugs. I stood there and watched him do it. I looked the cap and button over myself. Just for fun, I looked up the ignition system for your truck (reformed parts store ASM, ASE certified.) Using a 1500 series w/ a 5.3L engine as a template. You are right and Fullpower is wrong. |
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i go to either a local mechanic i trust or the dealership for an oil change and ask them to recommend (but not perform without approval) any additional services. To this day I have not had either one recommend anything that seemed unreasonable. As a matter of fact in the past 4-5 years of owning my 4runner I've only had three things recommended...brakes, which I knew I would need, air filter changes (which i declined and did myself), and radiator flush, (which I had them perform)< |
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Quoted: Just for fun, I looked up the ignition system for your truck (reformed parts store ASM, ASE certified.) Using a 1500 series w/ a 5.3L engine as a template. You are right and Fullpower is wrong. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bought a 05 GMC pickup last year with 42k on it. It seemed to have a little hesitation in motor but no codes. Took to garage and had new plugs and wires and rotor cap and button. Rotor button looked very burnt. Runs great now with no stumble in motor. . They probably poured 2 cans of Techron in the fuel tank, which cleared your injectors, and then changed your spark plugs. I stood there and watched him do it. I looked the cap and button over myself. Just for fun, I looked up the ignition system for your truck (reformed parts store ASM, ASE certified.) Using a 1500 series w/ a 5.3L engine as a template. You are right and Fullpower is wrong. We already cleared this up. He has a 4.3l v6 which has the older distributor cap and rotor versus the v8s which are coil on plug. |
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