7 of 9, your beaten.

And Tent'Pol, the vulcan chick from Enterprise.

Only if I could spend that time with 7 of 9.

I just saw that video shortly before I posted this.



 

A small Wells-Class starship is more powerful than all the ships of the Empire combined.  

The Empire is so advanced, that even their rusty, clunky, beat up Millennium Falcon can go from one side of the Galaxy to the other like it's a trip to the grocery store.



Look here, Physist Michio Kaku states that Star Trek is a type 2 civilization, while Star Wars is a type 3 civilization.


Star Wars, all the way.

Depends. The Star Wars extended universe tries to say the Empire was pretty much incomprehensibly large and powerful with thousands of star destroyers with weapons that would vaporize Federation ships. The FTL drives in Star Wars were exponentially faster meaning they were more mobile. The Federation has energy to matter and teleportation tech though which could give them an advantage. Federation ships also had much faster sub light speed drives.

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How does that help them co-ordinate an attack on a vastly more mobile enemy? They still need to arrange to get there when the enemy is there. It would help them enormously in attacking static targets but that sort of planetary bombardment is precisely the kind of action that the Federation doesn't have the guts for.


Also, what makes you think SW doesn't have FTL sensors? They have FTL commms and the two are closely related. It may well be under-developed though since FTL sensors wouldn't help detect ships in hyperspace.

What SW sensors would not be able to do is provide any information on the place you're about to drop out of hyperspace into (which presumably explains why the imperial fleet tends to move significant numbers of ships together).

Transporters....

 



Ever thought that maybe Star Wars didn't use it for moral or religious reasons.






The thought of being ripped apart on the atomic level and then rebuilt as a clone on the other side doesn't appeal to me.






ST has shown that Transporters do that. There have been two Rikers on board once, Tuvok and the Chef from Voyager got merged, dead people have been brought back due to their patterns stored in the transporter buffer banks or some shit, blah, blah, blah.... It doesn't "transport" people. It kills them and clones them. Fuck that!






Fuck that shit.






Federation Sublight ain't that fast. Rebel X-Wings were able toncover the distance from the surface of Yavin 4 to the Death Star pretty fucking fast. Mind you the Deatg Star was on the far side of Yavin and Yavin 4 is the Fourth Moon of the Yavin System.






In ESB, the Imperial Fleet drops out of Hyper Space to early on the outer edges of the system and covered the gap ASAP. Fast enough to land ground forces before the Rebels could really mount a good defense.




 

That fan fiction is pretty clear that Star Wars believes transporters to be an abomination.

Which implies that they have a greater respect for the integrity of personhood, I think.

 
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That was actually a pretty good written FanFic.

I nearly read the whole thing last night.

Wasn't that bad.... especially the whole glassing San Francisco and turning it inti a nuclear wasteland.

Meh, not to get in on the nerdy side, but the poster who talked about mindset had it right.

It's gonna be:



VS.

is that the same guy that doesn't  understand photon torpedos.

Ships are too big.

Uh #1 totally destroyed #2 last go around.

Fine, these guys then:

Snarfed coke on my iPad. <shaking fist in air> damn you NC_Andy.

Yes there was.  "No ship that small has a cloaking device"

Wesley Crusher has Sheldon Cooper, Leonard Hofstadter and Penny.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Remember that one where Luke and Leia killed Darth Vader, then got married? That was a good one.

SW has guns built on real life weapons because movie prop people were too lazy and unoriginal to create anything new.

 
Because Star Wars actually likes guns and wasn't design by a Commie like Gene Roddenberry. Star Trek was a Marxist State.










Commies always lose in the end.


 

I love that clip.

The more important implication of their "philosophy" is this:

Why isn't a 1950s baseball card being hauled back to Earth where it might actually attract alot of buyers?  

Oh, right.  No one in the Federation has any money.   So they probably don't buy alot of stuff.   Either from eachother or from aliens.

They get by on Juche spirit.

In the Federation:

There is no Hard Currency but there are Federation Credits. Much like the USSR and Cyba, both are worthless outside of of their borders. There is a huge black market in which precious metal is used as the currency of choice.


There is no difference between Starfleet and the Federation. Military Officers enforce law.


No private ownership of vessels. Everyone in the Federation catches a ride on Starfleet.


The Federation controls all communications.




Fucking Space Commies

Also, different eras.  1960s sci fi emphasized how different things were.  1970s Star Wars started the trend towards more realistic, down to earth sci fi.  

 

The Empire was a big and bloated bureaucracy that would have absorbed The Federation and made it into a scientific research branch of government.

Captain Kirk would have had 1000% the funding to find and fuck green bitches.

The question is the "Federation" vs the "Empire" and the "Q" is not part of the "Federation".

Interesting read for all the Star Trek is communist crowd.
https://medium.com/@RickWebb/the-economics-of-star-trek-29bab88d50

The Q aren't even limited to this dimension or time/space. Saying they're going to be on one side or the other isn't easy.

Empire, all day long.

The Federation was a bunch of girly-men.

Can we get a poll? Op can you please remove your pole?

The Imps will jump into a system and lay waste before the Federation can even muster a fleet since their comms and FTL is fucking slow.

First, the Imp fleet does an orbital bombardment.
















Then ground forces are moved in and done so with CAS.














 
 
 
 

So you believed a bunch of socialist propaganda about how Star Trek isn't socialist propaganda?

Uh the UN didn't exist during WWII, genius.

Nope. Because even after the Empire wipes out Earth or Vulcan with the Deathstar, the Enterprise and her plucky crew make a last-ditch, desperate slingshot around the sun, travel back in time, and wipe out the Empires forces. It's not fair. It's stupid. But it is literally what ST has done in the movies: sent a ship back in time to save Earth from certain destruction.



The Enterprise alone has traveled hundreds of years into the past TWICE that I know of. It's not even a fluke. It's a known, reproducible technology they have exploited before.



Empire vs Federation debates are like two kids playing cowboy, where the Federation kid always says, "Nope, you missed me. And I shot you so fast you didn't even see it. You're dead."



Deus ex machina is CANON for ST, LITERALLY. Hell, the series finale revealed they had a god watching over them from the first episode, in the form of Q, who stops them from being erased from time.



So far, the only way I have ever thought of for the Empire to actually win is this: Vader makes a personal challenge to Gowron, the Klingon leader, and curb stomps him in front of witnesses. Vader now rules the Klingon Empire, and brings them into the Empire. (Hey, they don't even have to change their name!) They install hyperdrive on the Klingon warships, and can now zip around the galaxy AND fight at FTL speeds.



Federation is crushed, right? No. Because Q decides he doesn't like that ending. He thinks about just erasing the Empire from history, but where's the fun in that? So once again, the plucky crew of the enterprise wakes onboard their ship, assuming they somehow survived (but actually they were resurrected and given a mostly working ship), slingshots around the sun, and travels back in time to Corruscant, where a Betazoid takes an emotionally distraught Annakin in hand, sorts out his angsty teen shit, and spirits him and Padmei away to play house, where they live happily ever after.



When the Enterprise crew gets back, Q taunts them and reminds them this was his plan all along, and pouts that they never trust him. He vanishes in a huff, and the Enterprise crew sings kumbayah, because good commies always win.



That's basically the plot for the next ST reboot, ya know.
 

ST has transporters because they couldn't afford a full scale shuttle mockup.



 

The empire by a lightyear.  The federation has a few hundred ships, the empire has tens of thousands.  The tech discrepancy is a joke too: Star Trek is set ~400 years after humans discovered space flight; Star Wars is set 10,000 years after humans discovered FTL travel.  Star Wars ships are orders of magnitude larger than Star Trek ships.  There's really no contest

1) it's fiction
2) just like there would be no Beatles without first having Elvis, there would be no Star Wars without first having Star Trek
3) Liking one is not mutually exclusive to liking the other
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Your dates are wrong.

 

The Empire came after the Republic. Which was around for 25,000 year. Before the founding of the Republic, there was still FTL capable flight for another 10,000 to 20,000 years.


Humanity is one of the oldest space fairing species in hhe Galaxy that no one knows where they originated from.

Earth.

I finished that story. I liked the twist at the end.

Federation would beat the snot out of the Empire. Computer managed target tracking & transporter technology alone would beat them, not to mention photon torpedo yield. WTF do you have some jackass human operating a laser blaster (and missing) when you can use a computer to zap multiple targets simultaneously??

If the lasers on a Star Destroyer could glass a planet, how come they worked for shit against the ship in SW, against the Mil. Falcon and the asteroid belt in TESB, and the Battle of Endor in ROTJ? Is this sudden major increase in effectiveness a product of the books?

Star Trek sucks.