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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:45:56 PM EDT
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The F22 is not the next generation fighter, it's more like the next 2or3 generations fighter. That is why it is so damned expensive, and why there is really no fair comparison between it and any current or currently planned jet. Nope… It's last years model. The F-35's systems are a whole generation better. The F-22 was designed from the outset to be easily upgraded as newer processing technology becomes available. The mission computers are interchangeable and need only a swap of cards to get newer processor tech. The larger AESA antenna can't be added to the F-35 no matter how much processing tech improves. The improved conformal antenna array in the F-35 is the only real improvement. Half the thrust with 2/3 of the weight will always make the Junk Strike Fighter second best, if that. EOTS/EOSS is a quantum leap in situational awareness… Take a good look at the sighting system on the F-35. It has nothing to do with air to air detection of adversaries. It's simply a built in "sniper pod". Since the F-35 is optimized for ground attack it includes a sensor to support that mission. I know you're dead convinced that IRST is the way of the future, but it's not, and the F-35 doesn't have or need it. 
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:46:43 PM EDT
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I'm not in the Air Force or Navy. Tell me about these different aircraft. How are they different? What roles do they fulfill? This comes up often around here and wikipedia has a lot more of the cold hard facts. The F-22 is THE BEST air-to-air fighter yet created, its so advanced and thus expensive that we only have 148 of them. The Superhornet is the workhorse of the Navy and a one plane does most platform. Nope, already the F-35's unit cost is about the same and will only rise. Anyone who compares cost without specifying when the aircraft is being purchased, which version of the aircraft is being talked about and what FY $$s you're specifying, has a political axe to grind. |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:48:36 PM EDT
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The F22 is not the next generation fighter, it's more like the next 2or3 generations fighter. That is why it is so damned expensive, and why there is really no fair comparison between it and any current or currently planned jet. Nope… It's last years model. The F-35's systems are a whole generation better. The F-22 was designed from the outset to be easily upgraded as newer processing technology becomes available. The mission computers are interchangeable and need only a swap of cards to get newer processor tech. The larger AESA antenna can't be added to the F-35 no matter how much processing tech improves. The improved conformal antenna array in the F-35 is the only real improvement. Half the thrust with 2/3 of the weight will always make the Junk Strike Fighter second best, if that. EOTS/EOSS is a quantum leap in situational awareness… Take a good look at the sighting system on the F-35. It has nothing to do with air to air detection of adversaries. It's simply a built in "sniper pod". Since the F-35 is optimized for ground attack it includes a sensor to support that mission. I know you're dead convinced that IRST is the way of the future, but it's not, and the F-35 doesn't have or need it. EOTS is an IRST. And as for IRST being the wave of the future. It isn't, but it is a capability that should be exploited. The USN is already doing that with modified fuel tanks. And IIRC the F-22 was designed to accept an IRST, but was not fitted with. ETA: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/1232.pdf ment •Tactical and eye-safe, highly reliable, In the IRST mode, the EOTS will locate and track multiple airborne threats at extended ranges ensuring high lethality and survivability. |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:49:19 PM EDT
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The F22 is not the next generation fighter, it's more like the next 2or3 generations fighter. That is why it is so damned expensive, and why there is really no fair comparison between it and any current or currently planned jet. Nope… It's last years model. The F-35's systems are a whole generation better. The F-22 was designed from the outset to be easily upgraded as newer processing technology becomes available. The mission computers are interchangeable and need only a swap of cards to get newer processor tech. The larger AESA antenna can't be added to the F-35 no matter how much processing tech improves. The improved conformal antenna array in the F-35 is the only real improvement. Half the thrust with 2/3 of the weight will always make the Junk Strike Fighter second best, if that. EOTS/EOSS is a quantum leap in situational awareness… Take a good look at the sighting system on the F-35. It has nothing to do with air to air detection of adversaries. It's simply a built in "sniper pod". Since the F-35 is optimized for ground attack it includes a sensor to support that mission. I know you're dead convinced that IRST is the way of the future, but it's not, and the F-35 doesn't have or need it. And just what makes you think that "built in sniper pod" can't be pointed at the horizon? WTH?!? beat by a black-shoe... though, my retort is more clever. |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:50:09 PM EDT
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I'm not in the Air Force or Navy. Tell me about these different aircraft. How are they different? What roles do they fulfill? This comes up often around here and wikipedia has a lot more of the cold hard facts. The F-22 is THE BEST air-to-air fighter yet created, its so advanced and thus expensive that we only have 148 of them. The Superhornet is the workhorse of the Navy and a one plane does most platform. Nope, already the F-35's unit cost is about the same and will only rise. Anyone who compares cost without specifying when the aircraft is being purchased, which version of the aircraft is being talked about and what FY $$s you're specifying, has a political axe to grind. Do you seriously think the pipe dream of a 4,000 plane JSF fleet will come to pass? Give it ten years of "death by a thousand cuts" and it'll be even more overpriced and underproduced than the F-22 will end up being. I'd count on total failure of the B model and a production run of the A and C models about half of what was originally spec'd. After all, why do we need a $200M stealth fighter to defeat taliban in caves, when a Reaper can do the same job as a B-2. Just ask the Secdef. |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:52:08 PM EDT
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The F22 is not the next generation fighter, it's more like the next 2or3 generations fighter. That is why it is so damned expensive, and why there is really no fair comparison between it and any current or currently planned jet. Nope… It's last years model. The F-35's systems are a whole generation better. The F-22 was designed from the outset to be easily upgraded as newer processing technology becomes available. The mission computers are interchangeable and need only a swap of cards to get newer processor tech. The larger AESA antenna can't be added to the F-35 no matter how much processing tech improves. The improved conformal antenna array in the F-35 is the only real improvement. Half the thrust with 2/3 of the weight will always make the Junk Strike Fighter second best, if that. EOTS/EOSS is a quantum leap in situational awareness… Take a good look at the sighting system on the F-35. It has nothing to do with air to air detection of adversaries. It's simply a built in "sniper pod". Since the F-35 is optimized for ground attack it includes a sensor to support that mission. I know you're dead convinced that IRST is the way of the future, but it's not, and the F-35 doesn't have or need it. And just what makes you think that "built in sniper pod" can't be pointed at the horizon? WTH?!? beat by a black-shoe... though, my retort is more clever. Look at the aperture and the location on the airframe, it's a lot more similar to the lower IR sensor on the F-117 than it is to a traditional IRST. When the bottom of the fuselage blocks everything above the aircraft from view, a look down only IRST is pretty stupid and useless. 
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:53:53 PM EDT
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The F22 is not the next generation fighter, it's more like the next 2or3 generations fighter. That is why it is so damned expensive, and why there is really no fair comparison between it and any current or currently planned jet. Nope… It's last years model. The F-35's systems are a whole generation better. The F-22 was designed from the outset to be easily upgraded as newer processing technology becomes available. The mission computers are interchangeable and need only a swap of cards to get newer processor tech. The larger AESA antenna can't be added to the F-35 no matter how much processing tech improves. The improved conformal antenna array in the F-35 is the only real improvement. Half the thrust with 2/3 of the weight will always make the Junk Strike Fighter second best, if that. EOTS/EOSS is a quantum leap in situational awareness… Take a good look at the sighting system on the F-35. It has nothing to do with air to air detection of adversaries. It's simply a built in "sniper pod". Since the F-35 is optimized for ground attack it includes a sensor to support that mission. I know you're dead convinced that IRST is the way of the future, but it's not, and the F-35 doesn't have or need it. Nope… http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/categories/military/1145.html |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:54:03 PM EDT
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I'm not in the Air Force or Navy. Tell me about these different aircraft. How are they different? What roles do they fulfill? This comes up often around here and wikipedia has a lot more of the cold hard facts. The F-22 is THE BEST air-to-air fighter yet created, its so advanced and thus expensive that we only have 148 of them. The Superhornet is the workhorse of the Navy and a one plane does most platform. Nope, already the F-35's unit cost is about the same and will only rise. Anyone who compares cost without specifying when the aircraft is being purchased, which version of the aircraft is being talked about and what FY $$s you're specifying, has a political axe to grind. Do you seriously think the pipe dream of a 4,000 plane JSF fleet will come to pass? Give it ten years of "death by a thousand cuts" and it'll be even more overpriced and underproduced than the F-22 will end up being. I'd count on total failure of the B model and a production run of the A and C models about half of what was originally spec'd. After all, why do we need a $200M stealth fighter to defeat taliban in caves, when a Reaper can do the same job as a B-2. Just ask the Secdef. When did I ever say anything about 4,000 aircraft? I didn't. Right now the aircraft being produced are LRIP. They are more expensive than aircraft that will be built one, two, four years from now. Just as the initial F-22s had a higher flyaway cost than current models. And just like F-22, the price changes depending on the political statement at the time. If you take into account development costs, the F-22 is much more expensive than the current~$140 million flyaway cost. |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:54:19 PM EDT
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The F22 is not the next generation fighter, it's more like the next 2or3 generations fighter. That is why it is so damned expensive, and why there is really no fair comparison between it and any current or currently planned jet. Nope… It's last years model. The F-35's systems are a whole generation better. The F-22 was designed from the outset to be easily upgraded as newer processing technology becomes available. The mission computers are interchangeable and need only a swap of cards to get newer processor tech. The larger AESA antenna can't be added to the F-35 no matter how much processing tech improves. The improved conformal antenna array in the F-35 is the only real improvement. Half the thrust with 2/3 of the weight will always make the Junk Strike Fighter second best, if that. EOTS/EOSS is a quantum leap in situational awareness… Take a good look at the sighting system on the F-35. It has nothing to do with air to air detection of adversaries. It's simply a built in "sniper pod". Since the F-35 is optimized for ground attack it includes a sensor to support that mission. I know you're dead convinced that IRST is the way of the future, but it's not, and the F-35 doesn't have or need it. And just what makes you think that "built in sniper pod" can't be pointed at the horizon? WTH?!? beat by a black-shoe... though, my retort is more clever. Look at the aperture and the location on the airframe, it's a lot more similar to the lower IR sensor on the F-117 than it is to a traditional IRST. When the bottom of the fuselage blocks everything above the aircraft from view, a look down only IRST is pretty stupid and useless. Wrong. You're going to have a blind spot unless you mount the IRST in the nose. Past US IRSTs have been mounted below the nose. |
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Posted: 4/21/2009 1:56:01 PM EDT
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The F22 is not the next generation fighter, it's more like the next 2or3 generations fighter. That is why it is so damned expensive, and why there is really no fair comparison between it and any current or currently planned jet. Nope… It's last years model. The F-35's systems are a whole generation better. The F-22 was designed from the outset to be easily upgraded as newer processing technology becomes available. The mission computers are interchangeable and need only a swap of cards to get newer processor tech. The larger AESA antenna can't be added to the F-35 no matter how much processing tech improves. The improved conformal antenna array in the F-35 is the only real improvement. Half the thrust with 2/3 of the weight will always make the Junk Strike Fighter second best, if that. EOTS/EOSS is a quantum leap in situational awareness… Take a good look at the sighting system on the F-35. It has nothing to do with air to air detection of adversaries. It's simply a built in "sniper pod". Since the F-35 is optimized for ground attack it includes a sensor to support that mission. I know you're dead convinced that IRST is the way of the future, but it's not, and the F-35 doesn't have or need it. And just what makes you think that "built in sniper pod" can't be pointed at the horizon? WTH?!? beat by a black-shoe... though, my retort is more clever. Look at the aperture and the location on the airframe, it's a lot more similar to the lower IR sensor on the F-117 than it is to a traditional IRST. When the bottom of the fuselage blocks everything above the aircraft from view, a look down only IRST is pretty stupid and useless. VERY Wrong. Fixt…
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Posted: 4/21/2009 2:20:11 PM EDT
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F-22 is the superfighter of superfighters.... It'll likely go down as the greatest manned A2A fighter. The F-15 has some reeaaalllly big shoes to fill before it will be tossed off that throne! |
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