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No, the way it reads is that Jerry's finger will be provided as evidence that the device cannot speed up the rate of fire faster than a person can fire. Save all of his videos as evidence. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I guess the way this law reads they could ban Jerry Miculek’s trigger finger. The bill language (as provided a cpl posts up) clarifies it must be a ".... blah blah blah or device ..." so if this gets signed into law, Floridians can argue that as long as it's slower than Jerry it's legit |
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OP gets it. Many do not View Quote You have the idiots that think "who cares I have mine" that end up getting fucked later. You have the "I'm a 100% 2A supporter but..." liberal trash on here that is (oddly always) "concerned" and wants more restrictions due to their "feelz". Then you have the real useful idiots: the accounts on here that try to defend the liberal concern troll accounts when they get blasted as fudds or trolls. Always funny to see a long time ARF member unwittingly trying to defend the typical "I own guns but just have another opinion" troll account that is calling for new bans and laws. The actual member gets butthurt at the troll being called a "fudd" by others here and goes off on a whine about his own hunting guns. lol |
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Bump stock hillbillies had to open the door! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've seen a few posts in GD from people saying that they don't care much about bumpstocks being banned, or that they think they should be banned because they bypass machinegun regulations. "If you want to own a machinegun, do it the proper way or lobby to change the laws." Guys, it's not about bumpstocks. The bill that just passed in Florida outlaws devices that allow the gun to fire at a faster rate. It doesn't specify bumpstocks, it just bans devices that can increase rate of fire. If Rick Scott signs it into law, judges are the ones who ultimately get to decide what "increases rate of fire" means. Judges are the ones who get to decide what sort of things qualify as "increasing rate of fire". It doesn't matter whether or not something actually changes rate of fire, the ones who get to decide what that means are the same sorts of people who think that AR15s are designed to accept mounted chainsaws. This is not a ban on bumpstocks. It's a ban on everything. Floridians can kiss everything goodbye, and I really do mean everything. Adjustable triggers, two-stage triggers, match triggers, forward grips, adjustable stocks, aftermarket buffers and buffer springs, aftermarket BCGs, everything. Fuck it, how about things that make it easier for you to aim and get a good sight picture, thereby acheiving faster accurate followup shots? Red dot sights, flashlights, laser pointers, tritium sights, scopes, compensators, flash hiders, suppressors, rubber butt pads. If an anti-gun judge decides it can increase rate of fire, it's gone. It doesn't need to make sense, and they don't need to coherently justify why they think it increases rate of fire. If a judge decides it can help you shoot faster, it's gone. So I don't want to hear any bullshit about how if you can't just buy a new machinegun then you shouldn't be able to buy a device that makes it work like a machinegun. I don't want to hear any bullshit about how it's just a stupid toy gimmick so what's the big deal? This is zero sum game. Florida is their trial run to see if they can enact europe-style draconian gun control under the cloak of just banning bumpstocks. And just in case you still think there's nothing to worry about, remember that Trump has recently signalled his support for further gun control. We absolutely could see nationwide europe-style gun control passed into law under President Trump. Quit being lazy, join the NRA, join the GOA, donate a sum of money you can realistically afford to the NRA-ILA and GOA, and harass all of your elected officials (national level, state level, and local level) even if where you live is as deep red as it gets. By this time next year, the nation should be arguing over whether or not to remove suppressors and SBRs/SBSs from the NFA. Not whether or not to pass an AWB. |
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Well said. I was just discussing this issue with a co-worker who is also into guns. I was telling him the wording is purposely vague to say “anything that increases the rate of fire” which can be basically anything else other then a bump stock.
I mentioned match triggers could be said to increase the rate of fire since it lightens the trigger pull it could be argued that it also allows you to shoot faster. The bump stock ban is basically a gateway to ban a lot more than just bump stocks, I believe the main goal is to eventually ban all semi-auto firearms. |
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I've seen a few posts in GD from people saying that they don't care much about bumpstocks being banned, or that they think they should be banned because they bypass machinegun regulations. "If you want to own a machinegun, do it the proper way or lobby to change the laws." Guys, it's not about bumpstocks. The bill that just passed in Florida outlaws devices that allow the gun to fire at a faster rate. It doesn't specify bumpstocks, it just bans devices that can increase rate of fire. If Rick Scott signs it into law, judges are the ones who ultimately get to decide what "increases rate of fire" means. Judges are the ones who get to decide what sort of things qualify as "increasing rate of fire". It doesn't matter whether or not something actually changes rate of fire, the ones who get to decide what that means are the same sorts of people who think that AR15s are designed to accept mounted chainsaws. This is not a ban on bumpstocks. It's a ban on everything. Floridians can kiss everything goodbye, and I really do mean everything. Adjustable triggers, two-stage triggers, match triggers, forward grips, adjustable stocks, aftermarket buffers and buffer springs, aftermarket BCGs, everything. Fuck it, how about things that make it easier for you to aim and get a good sight picture, thereby acheiving faster accurate followup shots? Red dot sights, flashlights, laser pointers, tritium sights, scopes, compensators, flash hiders, suppressors, rubber butt pads. If an anti-gun judge decides it can increase rate of fire, it's gone. It doesn't need to make sense, and they don't need to coherently justify why they think it increases rate of fire. If a judge decides it can help you shoot faster, it's gone. So I don't want to hear any bullshit about how if you can't just buy a new machinegun then you shouldn't be able to buy a device that makes it work like a machinegun. I don't want to hear any bullshit about how it's just a stupid toy gimmick so what's the big deal? This is zero sum game. Florida is their trial run to see if they can enact europe-style draconian gun control under the cloak of just banning bumpstocks. And just in case you still think there's nothing to worry about, remember that Trump has recently signalled his support for further gun control. We absolutely could see nationwide europe-style gun control passed into law under President Trump. Quit being lazy, join the NRA, join the GOA, donate a sum of money you can realistically afford to the NRA-ILA and GOA, and harass all of your elected officials (national level, state level, and local level) even if where you live is as deep red as it gets. By this time next year, the nation should be arguing over whether or not to remove suppressors and SBRs/SBSs from the NFA. Not whether or not to pass an AWB. View Quote Many have laughed at us in occupied territory for "voting Democrats in". Now you see how fast it happens. WAKE UP!!! |
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The risk protection order part of SB7062 is the worst part. The bump stock part ain't shit compared to that. You can lose your guns for two years for abusing alcohol. No shit.
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I'm just reading a ban on bumpstocks or anything that allows semi to fire like a full auto. Nothing more. Either way it sucks ass.
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After reading the text, I don't come to the same tin foil hated conclusion but maybe I'm just reading it wrong. View Quote Put yourself in the mindset of a left wing judge, who wants to restrict private weapons ownership as much as he can by any means he can, and who has the legal authority to decide what things mean. Then go read it again. |
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Quoted: Bump stock hillbillies had to open the door! View Quote I remember back before bumpstocks were invented and everyone was cool with the RKBA and as soon as bumpstocks came out, the gun grabbers appeared. |
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Quoted: I know! Its crazy! Gun grabbers would have never tried to disarm us had bumpstocks never been invented. As a matter of fact, gun grabbers didn't exist before bumpstocks. I remember back before bumpstocks were invented and everyone was cool with the RKBA and as soon as bumpstocks came out, the gun grabbers appeared. View Quote |
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Quoted: That trash element has been on this site for a long time. They are the same accounts that post how they are against constitutional carry, want universal background checks so it covers FTF sales, want to up the purchase age, require "training" to be able to own a gun, think suppressors are "dangerous" and need to be NFA......it goes on and on. The "compromise" idiots and general concern trolls are nothing new here if you have been paying attention. The best entertainment is the "I'm a liberal gun owner but..." trash here. View Quote |
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...and people on this site believe tha another ban isn't going to happen.
Wake up, it's happening. One state at a time. |
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I'm just reading a ban on bumpstocks or anything that allows semi to fire like a full auto. Nothing more. Either way it sucks ass. View Quote Think about it from the perspective of a left wing activist judge who has the legal authority to decide what it means. Pretend you're that judge, then go read it again. See what we're getting at? |
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741 As used in this section, the term "bump 742 fire stock" means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a 743 device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic 744 automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of 745 fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such 746 semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, 747 or a device. EVERYTHING is now banned in Florida. View Quote |
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Quoted: BOOM! The bill language (as provided a cpl posts up) clarifies it must be a ".... blah blah blah or device ..." so if this gets signed into law, Floridians can argue that as long as it's slower than Jerry it's legit View Quote |
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My favorite is the “if they ban guns, I’ll be right there in the trenches beside you but I don’t see them doing that.” types. I worked with a Dem like that and told him to fuck off with that bullshit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: That trash element has been on this site for a long time. They are the same accounts that post how they are against constitutional carry, want universal background checks so it covers FTF sales, want to up the purchase age, require "training" to be able to own a gun, think suppressors are "dangerous" and need to be NFA......it goes on and on. The "compromise" idiots and general concern trolls are nothing new here if you have been paying attention. The best entertainment is the "I'm a liberal gun owner but..." trash here. When pushed on specifics those types are not "pro-2A" on any level. |
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741 As used in this section, the term "bump 742 fire stock" means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a 743 device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic 744 automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of 745 fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such 746 semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, 747 or a device. EVERYTHING is now banned in Florida. View Quote |
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Sure would be nice if the Surpremes would even agree to hear the cases in the first place.
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'Gunshine' State?
Florida is a swing state. I guess folks are finally understanding why the really means. |
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You're thinking about it in the context of the stated goal of the bill. Think about it from the perspective of a left wing activist judge who has the legal authority to decide what it means. Pretend you're that judge, then go read it again. See what we're getting at? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm just reading a ban on bumpstocks or anything that allows semi to fire like a full auto. Nothing more. Either way it sucks ass. Think about it from the perspective of a left wing activist judge who has the legal authority to decide what it means. Pretend you're that judge, then go read it again. See what we're getting at? Once that happens it gives the Republicans cover to support it without fear of backlash. The Rs can then say "Hey the NRA supports this law too!" like right after the Vegas shooting. |
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wasnt there a hellfire trigger or something like that back in the 90s that was banned? I am more concerned over the 18/21 issue. You should not have to sign up for selective service , not sure if they still do, until you turn 21. It was like back in Nam when you could be drafted straight out of high school but not vote until you were 21
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After reading the text, I don't come to the same tin foil hated conclusion but maybe I'm just reading it wrong. View Quote Not that it also applies in public, but that was the question before the court in that case. |
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how does any of the list you provided increase the RATE of fire?
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Doesn’t matter how you read it, it matters how the leftist judge reads it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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After reading the text, I don't come to the same tin foil hated conclusion but maybe I'm just reading it wrong. Think about urinating in public laws that was posted to keep people from losing in front of people....but has been used to bust some guy at 3am on the side of the county road with no one else around. |
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Quoted: Even better is their cognitive dissonance at saying they are 100% pro-2A but then still vote for libs that campaign on supporting gun bans. View Quote |
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Though I oppose all gun control, and oppose this language being added to the law, it seems to be narrowly worded. It is wrong and unconstitutional, but it is hardly the nonsense being claimed by some here. View Quote Think about it from the perspective of a leftwing activist judge who has the lawful authority to decide what it means. That leftwing activist judge is the one who gets to decide what counts as "increases rate of fire", not you. |
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The guy I’m talking about was a “The Atlantic” reading smug douche who owned a Winchester 94 that was his dad’s hunting gun and a POS Taurus Beretta 85 copy that he was alwsys trying to sell so he thought that made him a “gun owner” and 2A advocate. Fuck that guy, fucking Fudd. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Even better is their cognitive dissonance at saying they are 100% pro-2A but then still vote for libs that campaign on supporting gun bans. |
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Might not be abused now or 10 years from now, but 100? Its an absolute
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741 As used in this section, the term "bump 742 fire stock" means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a 743 device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic 744 automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of 745 fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such 746 semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, 747 or a device. EVERYTHING is now banned in Florida. View Quote 6) “Firearm” means any weapon (including a starter gun) which will, is designed to, or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; the frame or receiver of any such weapon; any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; any destructive device; or any machine gun. The term “firearm” does not include an antique firearm unless the antique firearm is used in the commission of a crime. |
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I agree with the OP. Too many on here will say they are ok with bumpstocks to be banned and yet say they are pro 2A. Once you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube, you cannot put it back into the tube. That is directed at the nra and trump.
I am very concerned with what is going on in FL as it is normally a pro gun state. It does not look good for FL and the rest of the country. |
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The biggest issue with the bill (other than the fact that it exists) is how open to interpretation it is. You could argue that an electric tooth brush could help a gun fire faster.
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I'm not a fan of bumpstocks and think they are stupid.
I did say in the LV shooting thread that if bumpstocks is all you lost than you would be lucky that is all you lose. However, this is not only a change in a gun law, it is a constitutional challenge. Is it not ? Is the Constitution (2A) going to have to be re-written to define what is a firearm, or is the SCOTUS going to wash their hands and throw it back to the States ? (which I think is constitutionally illegal if I read it right) When is it going to your supreme court for definition, or can states override your Constitution ? Please don't flame me, I'm just on the outside looking in. |
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I agree with the OP. Too many on here will say they are ok with bumpstocks to be banned and yet say they are pro 2A. Once you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube, you cannot put it back into the tube. That is directed at the nra and trump. I am very concerned with what is going on in FL as it is normally a pro gun state. It does not look good for FL and the rest of the country. View Quote Liberty is scary, liberty is messy, liberty can be abused, but liberty is the best condition for humans. Anyone that says , "...but..." is no friend of liberty. |
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Yea cause the NRA was sooo helpful I am an endowment member, never another penny from my cold closed wallet. Our only hope is Scott doesn't sign this piece of garbage, but than I have a better chance of waking up to 12" of snow tomorrow. View Quote Nothing has changed Fuckers |
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Well said. I was just discussing this issue with a co-worker who is also into guns. I was telling him the wording is purposely vague to say “anything that increases the rate of fire” which can be basically anything else other then a bump stock. I mentioned match triggers could be said to increase the rate of fire since it lightens the trigger pull it could be argued that it also allows you to shoot faster. The bump stock ban is basically a gateway to ban a lot more than just bump stocks, I believe the main goal is to eventually ban all View Quote |
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Big thanks to Trump for bringing bumpstock bans back to the forefront, and enabling state legislatures to take action. One was not used in Florida, and perhaps not even in Vegas.
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