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I'm not a fan of bumpstocks and think they are stupid.
I did say in the LV shooting thread that if bumpstocks is all you lost than you would be lucky that is all you lose.

However, this is not only a change in a gun law, it is a constitutional challenge.
Is it not ?
Is the Constitution (2A) going to have to be re-written to define what is a firearm, or is the SCOTUS going to wash their hands and throw it back to the States ?
(which I think is constitutionally illegal if I read it right)

When is it going to your supreme court for definition, or can states override your Constitution ?

Please don't flame me, I'm just on the outside looking in.

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The NRA has continually thrown gun owners under the bus

Nothing has changed

Fuckers

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The NRA has continually thrown gun owners under the bus

Nothing has changed

Fuckers

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743 device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic

Well. I guess that includes rubber bands.

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Which state is the next to fall? Which state becomes ground zero for the next American Revolution...

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After reading the text, I don't come to the same tin foil hated conclusion but maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

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Gov't lost its mind today. Three weeks since a known kid with a known problem did a known thing and wasn't stopped by the very people who are clamoring for gun control.
I am optimistic this will get struck down. But if it somehow gets upheld it will be a mess.

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This is the gateway drug to BAN ON ALL SEMIAUTOMATICS

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wasnt there a hellfire trigger or something like that back in the 90s that was banned?  I am more concerned over the 18/21 issue.  You should not have to sign up for selective service , not sure if they still do,  until you turn 21.  It was like back in Nam when you could be drafted straight out of high school but not vote until you were 21

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What's next?

Shoestrings?

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I agree with the OP.  Too many on here will say they are ok with bumpstocks to be banned and yet say they are pro 2A.  Once you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube, you cannot put it back into the tube.  That is directed at the nra and trump.

I am very concerned with what is going on in FL as it is normally a pro gun state.  It does not look good for FL and the rest of the country.

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Or a shoe lace ....

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Do you guys see what all that "clever" fucking around with the ATF did to us?

Do you see it? "Duh, Mr. ATF, is THIS a machine gun? Yes? So I can't make it? How 'bout THIS? No? Oh great, I can make a bunch of money to make dirt-shooters happy!" RETARDS.

I KNEW this kind of fuck-fuck gamery was going to bite us in the ass eventually, but the fucking gun accessory people had to keep poking the slightly-swelling zit of the ATF for what, 3 decades? Well, you fuckers got what you wanted. A makeshift, poor-man's "machine gun" which forever restricted our ability to challenge the constitutionality of the NFA list, and may actually set us on course for the end of private gun ownership and a civil war which will get many of us killed and divide a nation for the rest of our lives.

You fuckers could have invested time and money in overturning NFA. But YOU BLEW IT!

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Do you guys see what all that "clever" fucking around with the ATF did to us?

Do you see it? "Duh, Mr. ATF, is THIS a machine gun? Yes? So I can't make it? How 'bout THIS? No? Oh great, I can make a bunch of money to make dirt-shooters happy!" RETARDS.

I KNEW this kind of fuck-fuck gamery was going to bite us in the ass eventually, but the fucking gun accessory people had to keep poking the slightly-swelling zit of the ATF for what, 3 decades? Well, you fuckers got what you wanted. A makeshift, poor-man's "machine gun" which forever restricted our ability to challenge the constitutionality of the NFA list, and may actually set us on course for the end of private gun ownership and a civil war which will get many of us killed and divide a nation for the rest of our lives.

You fuckers could have invested time and money in overturning NFA. But YOU BLEW IT!

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Don't worry, it can never happen where you live.

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"...a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit..."

Well, at least you get to keep and use your finger.

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Bumpfire does not require a special trigger, buffer or stock. Bumpfire is still a semi-auto function. So what is the maximum rate of semi auto fire? Does this law actually do what everyone is saying it does?

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The Noo Yawkers finally took complete control of Florida.

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MAGA, bitches

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That trash element has been on this site for a long time.

They are the same accounts that post how they are against constitutional carry, want universal background checks so it covers FTF sales, want to up the purchase age, require "training" to be able to own a gun, think suppressors are "dangerous" and need to be NFA......it goes on and on.

The "compromise" idiots and general concern trolls are nothing new here if you have been paying attention. The best entertainment is the "I'm a liberal gun owner but..." trash here.

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741 As used in this section, the term "bump
742 fire stock" means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a
743 device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic
744 automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of
745 fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such
746 semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory,
747 or a device.

EVERYTHING is now banned in Florida.

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I haven’t read the bill but if what you said is true, You forgot semi-auto as increased rate of fire compared to bolt action and bolt action is increased rate of fire compared to muzzle loaders, so it could end with black powder rifles..... scary.

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I've seen a few posts in GD from people saying that they don't care much about bumpstocks being banned, or that they think they should be banned because they bypass machinegun regulations. "If you want to own a machinegun, do it the proper way or lobby to change the laws."

Guys, it's not about bumpstocks. The bill that just passed in Florida outlaws devices that allow the gun to fire at a faster rate. It doesn't specify bumpstocks, it just bans devices that can increase rate of fire.

If Rick Scott signs it into law, judges are the ones who ultimately get to decide what "increases rate of fire" means. Judges are the ones who get to decide what sort of things qualify as "increasing rate of fire". It doesn't matter whether or not something actually changes rate of fire, the ones who get to decide what that means are the same sorts of people who think that AR15s are designed to accept mounted chainsaws.

This is not a ban on bumpstocks. It's a ban on everything. Floridians can kiss everything goodbye, and I really do mean everything. Adjustable triggers, two-stage triggers, match triggers, forward grips, adjustable stocks, aftermarket buffers and buffer springs, aftermarket BCGs, everything. Fuck it, how about things that make it easier for you to aim and get a good sight picture, thereby acheiving faster accurate followup shots? Red dot sights, flashlights, laser pointers, tritium sights, scopes, compensators, flash hiders, suppressors, rubber butt pads.

If an anti-gun judge decides it can increase rate of fire, it's gone. It doesn't need to make sense, and they don't need to coherently justify why they think it increases rate of fire. If a judge decides it can help you shoot faster, it's gone.

So I don't want to hear any bullshit about how if you can't just buy a new machinegun then you shouldn't be able to buy a device that makes it work like a machinegun. I don't want to hear any bullshit about how it's just a stupid toy gimmick so what's the big deal? This is zero sum game. Florida is their trial run to see if they can enact europe-style draconian gun control under the cloak of just banning bumpstocks.

And just in case you still think there's nothing to worry about, remember that Trump has recently signalled his support for further gun control. We absolutely could see nationwide europe-style gun control passed into law under President Trump. Quit being lazy, join the NRA, join the GOA, donate a sum of money you can realistically afford to the NRA-ILA and GOA, and harass all of your elected officials (national level, state level, and local level) even if where you live is as deep red as it gets.

By this time next year, the nation should be arguing over whether or not to remove suppressors and SBRs/SBSs from the NFA. Not whether or not to pass an AWB.

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how does any of the list you provided increase the RATE of fire?

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30 round mags will be targeted.

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how does any of the list you provided increase the RATE of fire?

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741 As used in this section, the term "bump
742 fire stock" means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a
743 device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic
744 automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of
745 fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such
746 semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory,
747 or a device.

EVERYTHING is now banned in Florida.

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nice post, Thanks