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Posted: 5/17/2024 11:40:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the scrap value? I'll pay $1000 less, and I'll take 10. Scrap value? Aren’t the batteries considered hazardous waste, and you need to pay for that special hazardous disposal??? |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 11:47:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you could get a nicely optioned extended range XLT for $35K new, it might be worth it as a second vehicle. $70K -$95K they can keep it. It should be cheaper than the gas equivalent, since it is more limited in function and will depreciate faster. You'll also need a second vehicle for when you need something with more range. If they can not build them and sell them for a price where the market demand meets the supply required to efficiently manufacture them for that price, then the business model doesn't work. Subsidies should not be a thing. Should be a lot cheaper. Thousands of parts in a ice vehicle, 1/5 or less in most EV. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 11:50:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For as much as this place is concerned about "preparedness", home solar, home battery storage, and an EV is the most reliable way to guarantee mobility (bonus points to electric dirt bike or UTV). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd go $20k. Would be nice to have a vehicle I could charge with my solar panels. You're assuming the government hasn't told Ford to just disable everyone's vehicle as a control measure. You've got about a 0.0% chance of getting a EV working without the car letting you. Older flex fuel vehicles and carbureted vehicles can run on ethanol and lack the connectivity to remotely disable. You don't even need electric to make E95 fuel at home. Just yeast, something to feed it, heat and a still. I think the sweet spot for prepper transportation is solar charged E-bikes and offroad/enduro E-motorcycles. OK range and can feasibly be charged somewhat quickly with modest solar setup. With a spare battery or two the you can get ~100mi and pedaling is an option too. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 7:22:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they were hybrids or plug-in hybrids I might consider them. ... at least I expect/hope they'll change the ports instead of just throwing an adapter in the glovebox. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 7:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My sons FIL paid 10k over. His first electric bill was $900 bucks for one month. And his house is plastered with solar panels. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how the people that paid over MSRP for them when they first came out feel lol My sons FIL paid 10k over. His first electric bill was $900 bucks for one month. And his house is plastered with solar panels. What was his previous electric bill? |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 7:59:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they are not. Completely dependent on the software. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For as much as this place is concerned about "preparedness", home solar, home battery storage, and an EV is the most reliable way to guarantee mobility (bonus points to electric dirt bike or UTV). No, they are not. Completely dependent on the software. So every new car made? Depending on what specifically you are talking about every car made in the last 25 years or more. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:08:10 PM EDT
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I'd take one for free in exchange for a 1 - 2 year real world ownership review.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:08:44 PM EDT
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Next year it'll be "Install our home charger for 10 easy payments of $49.99 and we'll give you a Lightning free!"
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:21:42 PM EDT
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Can't say I'm upset to see that this scam is massively backfiring.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:23:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're assuming the government hasn't told Ford to just disable everyone's vehicle as a control measure. You've got about a 0.0% chance of getting a EV working without the car letting you. Older flex fuel vehicles and carbureted vehicles can run on ethanol and lack the connectivity to remotely disable. You don't even need electric to make E95 fuel at home. Just yeast, something to feed it, heat and a still. I think the sweet spot for prepper transportation is solar charged E-bikes and offroad/enduro E-motorcycles. OK range and can feasibly be charged somewhat quickly with modest solar setup. With a spare battery or two the you can get ~100mi and pedaling is an option too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'd go $20k. Would be nice to have a vehicle I could charge with my solar panels. You're assuming the government hasn't told Ford to just disable everyone's vehicle as a control measure. You've got about a 0.0% chance of getting a EV working without the car letting you. Older flex fuel vehicles and carbureted vehicles can run on ethanol and lack the connectivity to remotely disable. You don't even need electric to make E95 fuel at home. Just yeast, something to feed it, heat and a still. I think the sweet spot for prepper transportation is solar charged E-bikes and offroad/enduro E-motorcycles. OK range and can feasibly be charged somewhat quickly with modest solar setup. With a spare battery or two the you can get ~100mi and pedaling is an option too. Economic issues? I'd rather not die on a mo-ped from succumbing to my crash injuries in a failing medical system. Energy crisis like the 80's or worse? EV may be OK. The gov could theoretically force EVs to self-regulate to reduce energy consumption. Of course, gas would also be hard to come by, so make wood gas converted trucks great again? Probably an econo-box shitmobile that you can run as cheaply as possible is the best scenario, one that is older and can be converted to run on propane or NG or home-brew E95 would probably be a plus. Very, VERY few propane converted vehicles out there in comparison... |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:31:23 PM EDT
[#11]
Go Obiden WOKE…go broke! HaHaHaHa!
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:34:26 PM EDT
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Complete FAIL by OP. Claims to get one now with a deep discount, but doesn't say what the discount is nor any link to it.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:37:55 PM EDT
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Depends on how much they are willing to pay me to take it.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:38:24 PM EDT
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And why would I want an EV with an obsolete plug that would be pushing it's tow range to take my trailer to the next town from mine - while spending more money on the electricity than the diesel would cost.
Deleted the paragraph of bitching about doing that tow 2x a week - not to mention I would have needed to do it 3x a week, but ended up paying $500 a month to avoid it. Will be doing it again maybe in a year. My new house will have solar - but I don't think solar could charge an EV truck quick enough to manage that tow daily (Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday), given 1/2 peak solar daylight I would be away from the house. Quoted: You would need about 10 panels to do anything worthy of decent charge time. The garage is East/West. The panels will never produce rated capacity, but they will stretch the generation a couple hours each day - so the battery system will be less strained to run the AC a few more hours daily. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:18:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You might want to take a look at your extra solar output and how long that will take to charge up an EV. Dirt bike? Sure, that's possible. Car is not happening. It really comes back to how many miles you're driving each day and the size of your array. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would need about 10 panels to do anything worthy of decent charge time. Electric heat burns a lot of electricity... |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:21:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For as much as this place is concerned about "preparedness", home solar, home battery storage, and an EV is the most reliable way to guarantee mobility (bonus points to electric dirt bike or UTV). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd go $20k. Would be nice to have a vehicle I could charge with my solar panels. My horses are more reliable, last longer, can make other horses, can go places UTVs and dirt bikes can’t, doesn’t need a charge or any modern technology |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're assuming the government hasn't told Ford to just disable everyone's vehicle as a control measure. You've got about a 0.0% chance of getting a EV working without the car letting you. Older flex fuel vehicles and carbureted vehicles can run on ethanol and lack the connectivity to remotely disable. You don't even need electric to make E95 fuel at home. Just yeast, something to feed it, heat and a still. I think the sweet spot for prepper transportation is solar charged E-bikes and offroad/enduro E-motorcycles. OK range and can feasibly be charged somewhat quickly with modest solar setup. With a spare battery or two the you can get ~100mi and pedaling is an option too. I've got four kids so my primary plan is gas vehicles. I think it would be nice to have an accessory EV vehicle for local travel. You can always disable the antennas and put a diode on the cell system to make the vehicle think it's just temporarily out of network connection. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:37:32 PM EDT
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Our company just bought one for use by our department. I test drove a demo unit a month or two ago, and I was impressed. I’ll give some feedback after we’ve had it a while.
I’d rather have an electric Ranger/Tacoma/Frontier size truck. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:42:28 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. I don't want to replace my F250 with one, but would make a great 3rd or 4th vehicle. Might want to check on the insurance cost before getting suckered in. No idea what they'd be but I wouldn't want to get a nasty surprise. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:45:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Two hours driving with a trailer. Two hours charging.
What’s not to love? |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:49:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Honestly they should have made something around the size of the old Ranger. KISS ..smaller in city run around truck under 20k.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:56:01 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Complete FAIL by OP. Claims to get one now with a deep discount, but doesn't say what the discount is nor any link to it. some info here |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:57:47 PM EDT
[#25]
After a quick look at one of the dozen plus Ford dealers in my area. They have 38 of them in stock. an XLT with an MSRP of 58,000 can be had for around 43,000
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Posted: 5/17/2024 10:47:05 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After a quick look at one of the dozen plus Ford dealers in my area. They have 38 of them in stock. an XLT with an MSRP of 58,000 can be had for around 43,000 Damn. If it came with a good warranty that's not bad. Why not just carry a portable generator for longer trips, or emergencies? Incorporate that system to run when driving down the highway and call it a hybrid. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 11:18:54 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly they should have made something around the size of the old Ranger. KISS ..smaller in city run around truck under 20k. They did. Early 2000's Ranger, there was a full electric version. We were one of the only dealers in 2 or 3 states radius that were certified (and had the expensive battery lift) to work on them. There was some city over in Missouri that had bought a handful of them. Kept bringing them in to us with problems, before having to dump the fleet of them. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 11:22:51 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not even if they're free. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 2:54:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After a quick look at one of the dozen plus Ford dealers in my area. They have 38 of them in stock. an XLT with an MSRP of 58,000 can be had for around 43,000 The only XLT's around me are at 52 after all the discounts. I think it will do most everything I need to do. I'd like to see how much battery it burns through on my work commute and what it would cost to recharge it. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 7:41:16 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My horses are more reliable, last longer, can make other horses, can go places UTVs and dirt bikes can't, doesn't need a charge or any modern technology |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 7:42:45 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After a quick look at one of the dozen plus Ford dealers in my area. They have 38 of them in stock. an XLT with an MSRP of 58,000 can be had for around 43,000 |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:01:41 AM EDT
[#32]
I'll pass
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:16:58 AM EDT
[#33]
For 5K gut it and build a nice ICE out of it that could be a interesting project.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:20:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not even if they're free. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:21:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they were hybrids or plug-in hybrids I might consider them. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:22:54 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My sons FIL paid 10k over. His first electric bill was $900 bucks for one month. And his house is plastered with solar panels. There is 0 chance the lightning had anything to do with this. On average, at a public charger where the rate is double or triple or more what the actual electric rate is, you can charge a lightning from 10% to full for less than $20...WAY LESS. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:24:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two hours driving with a trailer. Two hours charging. What’s not to love?  Towing with my Ford Lightning EV Pickup was a TOTAL DISASTER! |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:29:16 AM EDT
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If they had kept the original suggested prices when I "reserved" one, this wouldn't have been an issue. People like me and everyone else I know that reserved one all canceled their orders when the trucks came in with a price $20k over what we had thought they were going to be.
 I don't understand their (the car industry in general) pricing to begin with, so it's hard for me to sit here and say they should have taken the loss to get the trucks to market, and hindsight is always 20 20 and all that, but here we are. I'll be checking out how deep the discounts are today. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:33:22 AM EDT
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Those things were way too expensive to be successful when they were first released. It's electric, sure, but at the end of the day, it's an F-150, and it needs to appeal to F-150 buyers. $100K+ does not appeal to F-150 buyers. Hell, ~$60K for a mid trim XLT Supercrew doesn't really appeal to a lot of F-150 buyers today.
That truck was doomed from day one. Just way too expensive for what it is. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:40:21 AM EDT
[#40]
And just like the cyber truck, it will only go about 80 miles when pulling a bigger trailer.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:42:01 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be a lot cheaper. Thousands of parts in a ice vehicle, 1/5 or less in most EV. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you could get a nicely optioned extended range XLT for $35K new, it might be worth it as a second vehicle. $70K -$95K they can keep it. It should be cheaper than the gas equivalent, since it is more limited in function and will depreciate faster. You'll also need a second vehicle for when you need something with more range. If they can not build them and sell them for a price where the market demand meets the supply required to efficiently manufacture them for that price, then the business model doesn't work. Subsidies should not be a thing. Should be a lot cheaper. Thousands of parts in a ice vehicle, 1/5 or less in most EV.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:49:50 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For 5K gut it and build a nice ICE out of it that could be a interesting project. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:55:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My horses are more reliable, last longer, can make other horses, can go places UTVs and dirt bikes can’t, doesn’t need a charge or any modern technology I can take a dirt bike places a horse won't or can't go. I grew up with horses and burros. I know their limitations. They are also expensive as hell to maintain. Dirt bike is much cheaper and you can throw it in a shed for a few months without issues. Tend to void the horse warranty if you don't make sure they have food and water. My dirt bike has also out lasted the horses. Only thing it doesn't do is make more but for that you need 2 horses anyways and 2+ more than doubles the PITA of dealing with them. If you can't tell I hate horses. 20+ years of them has brought me to that point. Horse people are also insane. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 8:57:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EV's don't have to be online to function. If theyre shutting off everyone's ev's they'll be killing everyone's ice vehicles as well. Ice and EV have pretty much an identical susceptibility to an OTA update killing them. I've got four kids so my primary plan is gas vehicles. I think it would be nice to have an accessory EV vehicle for local travel. You can always disable the antennas and put a diode on the cell system to make the vehicle think it's just temporarily out of network connection. Or drive an ICE vehicle pre ~2015. When the kill signal goes all of the vehicles at my house stay up and running. None have any form of communication. One will probably survive an EMP.or Carrington Event and it is computer controlled. Simple enough to make it carborated too. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:08:45 AM EDT
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Ford thread ... Still has the shitty implementation of canbus to nearly all sensors (serial, not switched or common bus) and stupid expensive to fix.
Bust your tail lights and dent your tailgate, insurance will call it a "loss" as repairs will top $25k ($5k-$10k for the corners and $5k+ for the tailgate) |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:15:42 AM EDT
[#46]
And how has the dealership been managing the very expensive battery for the past year or so?
Did they just let it go to 0% and stay there? |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:22:27 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can take a dirt bike places a horse won't or can't go. I grew up with horses and burros. I know their limitations. They are also expensive as hell to maintain. Dirt bike is much cheaper and you can throw it in a shed for a few months without issues. Tend to void the horse warranty if you don't make sure they have food and water. My dirt bike has also out lasted the horses. Only thing it doesn't do is make more but for that you need 2 horses anyways and 2+ more than doubles the PITA of dealing with them. If you can't tell I hate horses. 20+ years of them has brought me to that point. Horse people are also insane. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My horses are more reliable, last longer, can make other horses, can go places UTVs and dirt bikes can’t, doesn’t need a charge or any modern technology I can take a dirt bike places a horse won't or can't go. I grew up with horses and burros. I know their limitations. They are also expensive as hell to maintain. Dirt bike is much cheaper and you can throw it in a shed for a few months without issues. Tend to void the horse warranty if you don't make sure they have food and water. My dirt bike has also out lasted the horses. Only thing it doesn't do is make more but for that you need 2 horses anyways and 2+ more than doubles the PITA of dealing with them. If you can't tell I hate horses. 20+ years of them has brought me to that point. Horse people are also insane. I grew up with them also.......exact same thoughts. To add, they are stupid animals that spook at the dumbest shit, at the worst times. They hurt themselves easily, can be stubborn pain in the asses if they don't want to go somewhere, or want to go back to the trailer, and maintenence, as you said, is time consuming and expensive, and even a bit dangerous if you do your own shoeing. I love horses, but I'll never own one. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:43:19 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And just like the cyber truck, it will only go about 80 miles when pulling a bigger trailer. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:46:01 AM EDT
[#49]
If they give me $10,000 I'll take one.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:46:01 AM EDT
[#50]
No thanks.
I can't think of a single reason to own an EV. |
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