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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:15:17 PM EDT
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 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFvkgfBXHPA
And no Starfleet caption ever, not even Sisko has ever had to do anything like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g1adlZEkOk
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It helps when you copy Babylon 5.  Meh, DS9 is light years better than fagalong 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFvkgfBXHPA
And no Starfleet caption ever, not even Sisko has ever had to do anything like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g1adlZEkOk
Babylon 5 is my favorite sci-fi series of all time, but Star trek is still right up there 
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:15:25 PM EDT
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Yes... even better than Khan... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHS2CCXVmeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHS2CCXVmeUI'd have to agree. The character was well developed, well written and well acted. He was consistently good throughout the entire series. DS9 probably had the best writing of all ST TV series. It helps when you copy Babylon 5.
Thank you, Sheldon Cooper I've been saying that since season 2 of B5, long, long, long before BBT. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:18:25 PM EDT
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Dukat was better than Khan, but only because he was more central to the story arc. Khan was just one episode and a movie.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:19:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish there had been a storyline about the Cardassian Homeworld after the end of the war. Something along the lines where Garak was made provisional leader. A storyline for Damar would have been good. Wasn't Damar killed? |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:19:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't Damar killed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wish there had been a storyline about the Cardassian Homeworld after the end of the war. Something along the lines where Garak was made provisional leader. A storyline for Damar would have been good. Wasn't Damar killed? He was in the last episode. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:19:58 PM EDT
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Sheridan was the badest mofo of all the sci fi captains
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:22:34 PM EDT
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I'm not entirely comfortable counting DS9 as a Trek series. Consider one line by the Sisko: "Computer, delete that entire log entry." That is totally out of character for any other Trek show. The whole point of DS9 was to show how the Federation actually worked on the frontier vs. the squeaky-clean by-the-books environment on the flagship and core Federation worlds. Ben Motherfucking Pimp Hand Sisko didn't let pesky shit like high treason and prohibitions against genocide prevent him from doing what needed to be done. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:23:18 PM EDT
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The whole point of DS9 was to show how the Federation actually worked on the frontier vs. the squeaky-clean by-the-books environment on the flagship and core Federation worlds. Ben Motherfucking Pimp Hand Sisko didn't let pesky shit like high treason and prohibitions against genocide prevent him from doing what needed to be done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not entirely comfortable counting DS9 as a Trek series. Consider one line by the Sisko: "Computer, delete that entire log entry." That is totally out of character for any other Trek show. The whole point of DS9 was to show how the Federation actually worked on the frontier vs. the squeaky-clean by-the-books environment on the flagship and core Federation worlds. Ben Motherfucking Pimp Hand Sisko didn't let pesky shit like high treason and prohibitions against genocide prevent him from doing what needed to be done. Yeah. It did a great job of showing that too. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? I never finished the series. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: he killed Jadzia Dax  Really? I never finished the series. I just finished it on Netflix a month or so ago. I'm now watching Voyager. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:29:07 PM EDT
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I just finished it on Netflix a month or so ago. I'm now watching Voyager. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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he killed Jadzia Dax Really? I never finished the series. I just finished it on Netflix a month or so ago. I'm now watching Voyager. Have you realized the point of the show is for Janeway to make Harry Kim's life hell? |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:30:41 PM EDT
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I just finished it on Netflix a month or so ago. I'm now watching Voyager. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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he killed Jadzia Dax Really? I never finished the series. I just finished it on Netflix a month or so ago. I'm now watching Voyager. I'm so sorry, fast forward to the last season, it will be less painful. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:31:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you realized the point of the show is for Janeway to make Harry Kim's life hell? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: he killed Jadzia Dax Really? I never finished the series. I just finished it on Netflix a month or so ago. I'm now watching Voyager. Have you realized the point of the show is for Janeway to make Harry Kim's life hell? The point was to show why you don't let women captain a starship. It is also further proof that a fucked up sense of ethics is a requirement to become an Admiral, if TNG wasn't enough proof already.  |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:32:11 PM EDT
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Edit- was thinking of the tailor
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:33:28 PM EDT
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Agree with the OP. Dukat was fucking great, he was humanized (cardassianized?), his point of view was examined, he was complex, he had motivations beyond avarice or the ever-popular 'evil-for-the-sake-of-evil'. He had moments of greatness, moments where you wanted to see him win, moments where it seemed like he had a real change...but for all the shading, for all the ups and downs, it never paid to lose sight of the fact that he was a villain.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:37:39 PM EDT
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That was one of the nice things about it, none of the PC Star Trek BS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not entirely comfortable counting DS9 as a Trek series. Consider one line by the Sisko: "Computer, delete that entire log entry." That is totally out of character for any other Trek show. That was one of the nice things about it, none of the PC Star Trek BS. It really was more gritty. All the characters had more depth and development. Quark and his stupid brother, tril women, worf, bashir. Founders and the Cardasians were good villans. Too bad they didnt take what they learned and moved on from a time frame after Voyager and after DS9 but somewhere around the end of Nemesis. Make that whole quadrant into a version of ISIS/Iraq/Afganistan. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:38:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm so sorry, fast forward to the last season, it will be less painful. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: he killed Jadzia Dax Really? I never finished the series. I just finished it on Netflix a month or so ago. I'm now watching Voyager. I'm so sorry, fast forward to the last season, it will be less painful. Meh, I enjoyed Voyager, it wasn't great but not terrible, not like that pile of shit with Bakula, T'pol was it's only saving grace. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:44:58 PM EDT
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Legate Damar is my favorite.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 5:45:07 PM EDT
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Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 6:08:38 PM EDT
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Khan was great because of Montalban, not because he was exceptionally well written (he wasn't poorly written either, but in one series episode and one movie you can only do so much) . Alaimo was excellent as well but his character seemed to usually land on the good side of DS9's shizo writing who could manage to put out some of the best and worst episodes ever made right next to each other which is like the fat friend effect. He just had more time to get rounded out as a character in a series with a good actor that got a better share of the good episodes. It really just isn't a fair comparison; Khan was a great movie villain and Dukat was a great series villain. Good argument.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 6:21:23 PM EDT
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Q
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Posted: 11/13/2015 6:23:28 PM EDT
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+1 for Harvey Mudd
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Posted: 11/13/2015 6:32:06 PM EDT
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This guy was the sneakiest of them all.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 6:32:34 PM EDT
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Agree with the OP. Dukat was fucking great, he was humanized (cardassianized?), his point of view was examined, he was complex, he had motivations beyond avarice or the ever-popular 'evil-for-the-sake-of-evil'. He had moments of greatness, moments where you wanted to see him win, moments where it seemed like he had a real change...but for all the shading, for all the ups and downs, it never paid to lose sight of the fact that he was a villain. That's what makes great villains. They're the guys you despise and loathe, and wish were killed off, but you still hope they win. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 6:54:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBest scene in the whole damn series! |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 7:57:37 PM EDT
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Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-kor-flat-errandofmercy.jpg The Klingons were much better when they were just Puerto Rican guys. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:13:21 PM EDT
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Yes... even better than Khan... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHS2CCXVmeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHS2CCXVmeUDidn't watch. But yeah, I agree with the statement. He was the best star trek villain of all time. Of course, he had 7 seasons of an entire show to get fleshed out. My personal theory is that Gul Dukat was loosely based on Santa Anna. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:20:29 PM EDT
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Baltar gets around alot
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Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-kor-flat-errandofmercy.jpg |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:23:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-kor-flat-errandofmercy.jpg He was even in a few DS9 episodes. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:26:03 PM EDT
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He was. And Sisko was the best captain.
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:26:53 PM EDT
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He was. And Sisko was the best captain. The USS BenSisko'sMotherfuckin'Pimphand was the best ship in the fleet. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:30:15 PM EDT
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not a fair comparison. Khan got 1 tv episode, 1 good movie, 1 mediocre movie. call it 6 hours of character development.
Gul Dukat has a lot more time to show his character and draw people in. Give Khan the same treatment and he'd win hands down. Not to mention Khan was one of the inspirations for Gul Dukat. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:36:08 PM EDT
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He was even in a few DS9 episodes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-kor-flat-errandofmercy.jpg He was even in a few DS9 episodes. Was he playing the same guy as seen in the OS? I didn't think Klingons had that much of an extended lifespan over humans even in the 23-24th century IMDB does list his DS9 character as Kor so I am guessing he is supposed to be the same Kor edit: reviewed the episode on Netflix Same guy I'd forgotten how long-lived they are supposed to be |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:36:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:45:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was he playing the same guy as seen in the OS? I didn't think Klingons had that much of an extended lifespan over humans even in the 23-24th century IMDB does list his DS9 character as Kor so I am guessing he is supposed to be the same Kor Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-kor-flat-errandofmercy.jpg He was even in a few DS9 episodes. Was he playing the same guy as seen in the OS? I didn't think Klingons had that much of an extended lifespan over humans even in the 23-24th century IMDB does list his DS9 character as Kor so I am guessing he is supposed to be the same Kor Yes, Kor, Kang, and Kolth all appeared in the Season 2 episode "Blood Oath". Kor later appeared in season 4 "The Sword of Kahless" with his final appearance being in season 7 "Once More Unto the Breach" |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:46:06 PM EDT
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Meh, DS9 is light years better than fagalong 5 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It helps when you copy Babylon 5. Meh, DS9 is light years better than fagalong 5 
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:48:05 PM EDT
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Sheridan was the badest mofo of all the sci fi captains
https://youtu.be/L-enNj3gnZk
https://youtu.be/MXkIuVLnsFEHis proper name is Captain "fuck you, have some nukes." His solution to everything was nuke the shit out of it
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:54:50 PM EDT
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Was he playing the same guy as seen in the OS? I didn't think Klingons had that much of an extended lifespan over humans even in the 23-24th century IMDB does list his DS9 character as Kor so I am guessing he is supposed to be the same Kor Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-kor-flat-errandofmercy.jpg He was even in a few DS9 episodes. Was he playing the same guy as seen in the OS? I didn't think Klingons had that much of an extended lifespan over humans even in the 23-24th century IMDB does list his DS9 character as Kor so I am guessing he is supposed to be the same Kor Yeah, there were a couple of episodes about him. Basically, he had outlived his usefulness. And because he was such an iron-hearted bastard in the old days, all the younger klingons coming up in the KDF when he was a power player hated him now that they were in power and he'd become just another old has-been with a legendary rep. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 8:59:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2015 9:19:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI would be the meat in a Dax sandwich. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 9:45:53 PM EDT
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The Klingons were much better when they were just Puerto Rican guys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gul Dukat is an excellent choice but being a fan of the original Star Trek, I've always preferred Kor, the Klingon commander in the Mission of Mercy episode. Great job by actor John Colicos. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/klingons/klingon-kor-flat-errandofmercy.jpg The Klingons were much better when they were just Puerto Rican guys. Drunken space Vikings are still pretty awesome. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:07:25 PM EDT
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I would be the meat in a Dax sandwich. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would be the meat in a Dax sandwich. 8 to choose from. Might want to be more specific. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:16:56 PM EDT
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8 to choose from. Might want to be more specific. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would be the meat in a Dax sandwich. 8 to choose from. Might want to be more specific. I'm sure he meant Kurzon. 
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:26:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:27:48 PM EDT
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he was pretty good, sometimes you even rooted for him. the back and forth of Siskos baseball was a nice touch. Yeah, one of my favorite 'sorta nice' bad guys. |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:28:20 PM EDT
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Nope. Harvey Mudd: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/46/Harcourt_Fenton_Mudd_2266.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130221170711&path-prefix=en Landrew: http://www.nexusroute.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/treklandru.jpg And this Space Hippie (who later was the leader of the "Good Ole Boys" in the Blues Brothers Movie): http://www.wfmu.org/Gfx/user_images/space_hippie_4273336915564677.jpg |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:29:34 PM EDT
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I'm not entirely comfortable counting DS9 as a Trek series. Consider one line by the Sisko: "Computer, delete that entire log entry." That is totally out of character for any other Trek show. Yeah, I have the same problem, DS9 was actually good. 
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:30:06 PM EDT
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it's Harry Mudd bitches! Harcourt Fenton Mudd, to be precise, husband of Stella. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope. Harvey Mudd: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/46/Harcourt_Fenton_Mudd_2266.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130221170711&path-prefix=en Landrew: http://www.nexusroute.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/treklandru.jpg And this Space Hippie (who later was the leader of the "Good Ole Boys" in the Blues Brothers Movie): http://www.wfmu.org/Gfx/user_images/space_hippie_4273336915564677.jpg |
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:47:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is the best part of Trek 2009:
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:51:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2015 10:52:48 PM EDT
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You could make the argument that Captain Janeway is the best villain of star trek.
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