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I would very sincerely suggest you look for a well-socialized, retired show dog from the breeds I suggested. They are adults, but not necessarily “old”, usually ranging from 2-5 years old. They are already trained, and usually trained very well. There is nothing wrong with them, just that the breeder can’t keep all of the dogs they want shown, and the retiree isn’t needed in their breeding program. And they are usually available at a greatly reduced cost to good, loving homes, homes where they can be the focus of attention, rather than one of many. I can do some looking if you figure out what you’d like. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Some questions: 1. How much time do you have to devote to grooming, training, and exercising the dog? I know you have kids, but a lot of the responsibility will fall on you. 2. How much noise can you deal with? Some dogs are quiet, but some are yappy and some howl. A lot. 3. How obedient do you want it to be? Some dogs are quick learners and are very biddable. Some are very intelligent but really could not care less about doing as they’re told. 4. What is your budget? You can cheap out, but quality isn’t usually cheap. 5. Is there anything beyond being a child’s companion that you want the dog to do? Hiking, alerting to intruders, rat patrol, obedience or agility work, etc. 1) We have a good amount of time actually. Oldest is in Baseball and has practice/games a few times a week. Other than that we don't have a lot going on. 2) I expect some noise, but I don't want a little dog who barks at every.stinking.thing either. 3) I also don't expect to have a super highly trained dog. Sit, stay, come, play with a ball or something. He won't be enrolled in weekly classes if that's what you're asking. 4) I was thinking ~$300. Most of the Blue Heelers and Beagles in the area are around there. No $1k Australian royalty bloodline needed. 5) Playing fetch/ball, maybe a frisbee, let us know when someone is here. Just usually dog stuff. Honestly, I had a cocker spaniel when I was a kid. We taught her to sit, roll over, stay, and we did a lot of playing in the yard. I think that's what they need. I don't think we'll be skiing a lot of a dog. Just being a good family pet the kids can grow up with. I'm sure a stray would probably be just fine for my needs but I'd prefer something more. I can do some looking if you figure out what you’d like. |
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collie (although I don't know how they would fair in texas heat)
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I like rescue mutts. I'm sure all these fans of different breeds have a million reasons why you should go to an ethical breeder, but it ain't easy to know if you're dealing with one and sometimes you find out when it's too late. We have a 12-month-old and an 11-year-old who are both rescue mutts we got as pups. When the older dog passes (and I hope it's still years away), we'll get another rescue mutt. That's just my opinion.
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@Naamah It seems a few have asked these questions so I'm try and answer. 1) We have a good amount of time actually. Oldest is in Baseball and has practice/games a few times a week. Other than that we don't have a lot going on. 2) I expect some noise, but I don't want a little dog who barks at every.stinking.thing either. 3) I also don't expect to have a super highly trained dog. Sit, stay, come, play with a ball or something. He won't be enrolled in weekly classes if that's what you're asking. 4) I was thinking ~$300. Most of the Blue Heelers and Beagles in the area are around there. No $1k Australian royalty bloodline needed. 5) Playing fetch/ball, maybe a frisbee, let us know when someone is here. Just usually dog stuff. Honestly, I had a cocker spaniel when I was a kid. We taught her to sit, roll over, stay, and we did a lot of playing in the yard. I think that's what they need. I don't think we'll be skiing a lot of a dog. Just being a good family pet the kids can grow up with. I'm sure a stray would probably be just fine for my needs but I'd prefer something more. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Some questions: 1. How much time do you have to devote to grooming, training, and exercising the dog? I know you have kids, but a lot of the responsibility will fall on you. 2. How much noise can you deal with? Some dogs are quiet, but some are yappy and some howl. A lot. 3. How obedient do you want it to be? Some dogs are quick learners and are very biddable. Some are very intelligent but really could not care less about doing as they’re told. 4. What is your budget? You can cheap out, but quality isn’t usually cheap. 5. Is there anything beyond being a child’s companion that you want the dog to do? Hiking, alerting to intruders, rat patrol, obedience or agility work, etc. 1) We have a good amount of time actually. Oldest is in Baseball and has practice/games a few times a week. Other than that we don't have a lot going on. 2) I expect some noise, but I don't want a little dog who barks at every.stinking.thing either. 3) I also don't expect to have a super highly trained dog. Sit, stay, come, play with a ball or something. He won't be enrolled in weekly classes if that's what you're asking. 4) I was thinking ~$300. Most of the Blue Heelers and Beagles in the area are around there. No $1k Australian royalty bloodline needed. 5) Playing fetch/ball, maybe a frisbee, let us know when someone is here. Just usually dog stuff. Honestly, I had a cocker spaniel when I was a kid. We taught her to sit, roll over, stay, and we did a lot of playing in the yard. I think that's what they need. I don't think we'll be skiing a lot of a dog. Just being a good family pet the kids can grow up with. I'm sure a stray would probably be just fine for my needs but I'd prefer something more. Did you know beagles are routinely used as medical test animals? True story. It's something about their physical characteristics and the fact that they are very easy to handle. Beagles can only be used for one study. After that, the research labs... dispose of them. If the study is considered damaging, the dogs just get euthanized. If not, there's usually a short window for the dogs to be adopted out before being euthanized. This isn't exactly advertised, so you would either need to know someone who knows someone, or you would need to find a rescue group. I knew someone, so I got my beagle for free directly from the source. He had less than 24 hours to live when I agreed to take him. He was an 11 month old intact male with no training. That had downsides, but I got a purebred beagle for free, and I saved his life. If this path interests you, look into the subject and see what rescue groups are in your area. |
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Definitely not something i’d advise right out of the gate for a family new to owning dogs, especially with small children in the mix.
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Standard sized male beagle. Best friend a boy could ever ask for.
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Beagles are the most annoying dogs in existence. Based on your list, I think a Boxer is a good choice to add.
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While your brusk expression of disagreement isn't without some merit at it's core, there is some science behind my generalization. It's hard to know the pedigree of dogs from shelters, and as a guy who encourages shelter dog adoption I fall back on my experiences and reading I've done over the years. Mutts are less likely to suffer from inbreeding and recessive gene defects. There's so many garbage breeders now that it's safer to err on the side mutts being a safer bet if there are any unknowns about genetic history. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'll repeat him. BULLSHIT. There is no merit, other than, if you breed a shit dog, you're likely to get a shit dog. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Boston Terrier would be a second suggestion from me for a smaller dog than a Boxer. Two awesome breeds that won't break the bank and fit your requirements.
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I would look for a breeder that specializes in downsized Golden Retrievers 55-65 lbs
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Or, more specifically, help me pick a breed. Then we'll go and let him pick out the actually puppy. A few of the local options are in the poll, but if there's another breed I should be looking for shout it out. It would have to be a midsized dog, no large Rots or Sheppard's, and definitely no tiny Chihuahuas or Pugs. Edit: He's almost 9, and I have a 3yo as well. I think the Havanese might be on the small side. And no, I do not bird hunt. View Quote |
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A rescued dog or cat is the best companion you'll ever have; they know what you did for them... View Quote But tell yourself whatever you need to to further justify your superiority over those that don't buy their dogs from a shelter. OP get a poodle. No shedding and their hair trimming isn't as bad as others would think. |
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Or, more specifically, help me pick a breed. Then we'll go and let him pick out the actually puppy. A few of the local options are in the poll, but if there's another breed I should be looking for shout it out. It would have to be a midsized dog, no large Rots or Sheppard's, and definitely no tiny Chihuahuas or Pugs. Edit: He's almost 9, and I have a 3yo as well. I think the Havanese might be on the small side. And no, I do not bird hunt. He would come across a track, look at me and you could see that second or two where he was trying to figure out if I could catch him from where I was or not, then he would bolt if he think he had a chance at not getting reprimanded. The shock collar fixed him of that....but only when the collar was on. |
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I will agree that the amount of money the OP is looking to spend is not going to buy a well bred dog in most circumstances. It is unfortunate, but a lot of people are not willing to set aside a little more money to pay for quality, or to do the research to find that quality. It’s disheartening, really. I would avoid any dog available at that price point unless it’s a retired show dog. Either get a free puppy or a shelter puppy, but don’t subsidize crappy breeders and perpetuate their business model. The throw away dogs would have the same background and socialization as the cheapo dogs anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's not "disheartening", it's crazy. For a lot of the breeds we are talking about in this thread, $1000 will get you a well bred dog. That's 2 trips to the vet. Or extensive training because you don't know what you're getting. We aren't talking $3k-5k dogs like many of us have. Dog's aren't cheap no matter how you cut it (you obviously know that). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Beagle. Your boy will be part of "the pack" and he'll never have a better friend. Yeah, they're a pain at times until they hit 2 years old but they're one of the most loving, wanting to be with you companions ever.
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I've gotten flak more than once in GD for suggesting not getting a working breed unless you plan on working it. Seems silly to get a GSD if you don't want it to patrol, or a bird dog if you don't hunt birds. Most people just want a companion dog, and that's fine, but a cheap mutt is usually the best for that, they tend to be extremely even tempered and usually have fewer late life issues. The few mutts we had the farm weren't good at much other than being friendly, but they lived forever and never had any health problems. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I will agree that the amount of money the OP is looking to spend is not going to buy a well bred dog in most circumstances. It is unfortunate, but a lot of people are not willing to set aside a little more money to pay for quality, or to do the research to find that quality. It’s disheartening, really. I would avoid any dog available at that price point unless it’s a retired show dog. Either get a free puppy or a shelter puppy, but don’t subsidize crappy breeders and perpetuate their business model. The throw away dogs would have the same background and socialization as the cheapo dogs anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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About 2 years ago now I had to say goodbye to the two rat terriers that raised my kids. Both of them were 18 when they passed. The male could out energy a boy with endless energy. Wasnt a tennis ball that was unfindable or a person that could sneak up to the house unannounced. The female would put up with everything a little girl could do to a dog and still do everything else a dog should do. Definitely big dogs in small packages but not as crazy as a jack russel. If i had it to do over again I wouldn't hesitate to do it exactly the same.
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@timfoilhat I appreciate looking out. I'm curious though, if both parents are purebred, how would the pups be a bullshit purebred? I'm not sure I get what you mean. From what the ads said the parents have AKC paperwork and if I want it for the pups it's an addition $50. Not that I do, I'm not looking for a show dog or anything. View Quote A quality breeder tests their stock for hereditary problems (joint and skeletal issues, cardiac issues, thyroid issues, genetic issues, etc). They test the temperaments on their dogs (working certificates, temperament tests, obedience titles, etc.). They carefully match up parents to produce healthy, mentally and physically sound puppies, and then they take the time to socialize the heck out of those puppies to give them the best start in life that they can. And they are there as a resource person for questions or problems throughout the rest of those puppies’ lives. Why does this matter if you just want a pet? Because that dog is going to be in your home, around your children, and in your hearts, hopefully for well over a decade. You don’t want to spend a small fortune on health issues if you can avoid it. You don’t want a dog that is nervous and flighty and nippy around your toddler. You probably don’t want a submissive urinator. You don’t want a dog that is neurotic or suffers severe separation anxiety. Or a dog you can never housetrain. You want a dog that will play happily with your children and be an excellent companion for years and years. And going to a quality breeder gives you a much better chance of getting that. |
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View Quote a reputable breeder is important because you want someone who stands behind their product, spend the money upfront now to avoid higher costs and heartache down the road, would suck to have to put a 4 year old dog down because you got a good deal on clearance at the local puppy store but my breed recommendation would be for a labrador retriever, and an english lab, not an american lab...they are calmer and more stocky without the lanky legs, which ultimately means less health issues, english labs aren't as overbred as the american labs, english labs also seem more popular for use as service dogs, I think that says something in itself when talking about having kids in the house good luck with whatever your choice |
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Check out Boykin Spaniels. Fantastic all around family dog and get a female. Usually gravitate to the guys.
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Just trying to learn here, but how would one determine "quality" in a dog? And if both parents are, blue heeler for example, how would the puppies not be, or how would they have more problems than a mutt from the pound? Definitely not doing that, hence this thread View Quote Second check: have the parents had any sort of independent evaluation of temperament or working ability? Have they passed a temperament test (with the paperwork to prove it)? Do they have any performance titles (herding, gun dog, obedience, agility, coursing, ratting), or do they actually do the work they were supposed to do? I also prefer to see a conformation title on the dog, which is just an independent evaluation that the dog actually looks like what it’s supposed to look like, but not everyone cares about that. Basically, what makes these dogs worthy of passing on their genetics, and how would someone know that? Third check: what sort of early training and socialization have the puppies had? Quality breeders employ early neurological stimulation to expose the puppies to a variety of stimuli at an early age, which helps them adjust quickly and well to new, startling, and possibly uncomfortable experiences (like a toddler yelling, or a dropped pot, or a noisy toy, or a bunch of kids running around, or a kid accidentally stepping on a toe). They also do early training, so your puppy has already begun house training and crate training, is familiar with basic grooming procedures, may know how to walk on a leash. Fourth check: what sort of follow up support does the breeder offer? Is there a health guarantee? Will they take the puppy back if you can’t keep it for some reason? Will they be a resource person for you in the future when you have questions or problems or concerns? Quality breeders are there for you and the dog throughout the entire lifetime of the dog. |
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