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Posted: 4/29/2020 4:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice pistol OP that pistol retails for around $1400 where can you buy it nib for $839? OOS, but here: https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/sig-sauer-p229-legion-compact-semi-auto-pistol |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 4:51:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DON'T FEED THE BEAST! STARVE IT! that is all.  Yeah - I would have gone the 80 route - FCA! -- but you can' t 80 a legion frame. 
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Posted: 4/29/2020 4:53:40 PM EDT
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So what would happen if our CA brothers created a personal list of WTB items in EE and one of us in a "free" state chose to sell them a slightly used one at our cost?
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Posted: 4/29/2020 4:53:47 PM EDT
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Glad that shit is all behind me now. I still have friends behind the wall that deal with the same shit.
I could just hand him any gun I own if he lived in AZ. I used to have an FFL in CA. The laws are insane. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 4:57:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:01:22 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what would happen if our CA brothers created a personal list of WTB items in EE and one of us in a "free" state chose to sell them a slightly used one at our cost? Legally? Only "on roster" guns (ie old models from 20 years ago) can be transferred from an out of state FFL to a non LEO Californian by shipping to the buyers FFL. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:02:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:New Glocks cannot be sold in Mass to non-LEOs because of "consumer safety regulations". There is a brisk secondary market of NIB glocks for sale at $300 above MSRP as LEOs buy one and decide the next day they don't actually want it. S&W offers a Mass compliant SD9VE (with 10.5lb trigger.) Swap in an Apex spring kit, bingo; a S&W Glock with better sights and grip angle for half the price.  S&W makes a CA legal SD9VE as well. I don't see Glock going out of their way to help gun owners caught behind enemy lines. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:05:22 PM EDT
[#8]
 Sounds like a class system for gun owners. The rich(cops) get rare guns and can pass them onto the citizens (poors) for high prices. Fuck CA |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can I sell guns to CA residents? Can I move there and then sell all my guns then move back afterwards? Simple answer? Yes. Practical answer? Not easily. I'm pretty sure establishing residency from state to state is not a simple process. Private party transfers are brokered through an FFL and the buyer must meet all California requirements. I believe you'd also have to establish that you/seller were a resident of California with valid CDL/ID, Military ID and PCS orders (and perhaps other exceptions?). I'd assume on returning you'd need/want to re-establish local residency. The DMVs can probably tell you how to change DLs. Impact on other things like insurance, taxes, vehicle licenses and registrations may also complicate things. There are also limitations on quantities of some sorts of PPTs before you run afoul of being an unlicensed dealer, etc. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:10:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: did you sleep underground last week? California successfully fought off the ammo background check law....then it freedom got squashed again a day later. It's under review....but we still expect a much drawn out win. I tried sending my friend in Commifornia ammo a day late.(the 25th) Still haven’t heard back from Targetsports. That’s exactly my point. If you “expected” all this and stayed you have different priorities than me. You don’t know what it feels like to live free anymore. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:11:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:12:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Screw that. S&W offers a Mass compliant SD9VE (with 10.5lb trigger.) Swap in an Apex spring kit when you get home, bingo a S&W Glock with a better grip angle for half the price. S&W makes a CA legal SD9VE as well. I don't see Glock going out of their way to help gun owners caught behind enemy lines. LMFAO 
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:13:31 PM EDT
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My sympathies.
I remember when a smart guy would get the newspaper early in California to figure out which yard sales had guns and get there first. I remember passing on $400 streetsweepers and Daewoo semi rifles at gun shows, cash out the door. Just bought a handgun in a parking lot a couple weeks ago. Virginia’s going to the communists in two months, sadly. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:14:18 PM EDT
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Nice pistola OP. Sorry for all the hoops and added expense just to exercise your rights in a limited fashion.
I used to be one of those "move to a free state" types, but as I get older I see that many of us are just an election or two away from going from free to behind enemy lines. If there was no preemption law in Texas I can guarantee that the Austin Politburo would gladly deprive me of my rights. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:16:13 PM EDT
[#15]
$2K for a sig? HO LEE FUK!!!!
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:16:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I tried sending my friend in Commifornia ammo a day late.(the 25th) Still haven't heard back from Targetsports. That's exactly my point. If you "expected" all this and stayed you have different priorities than me. You don't know what it feels like to live free anymore. if nobody old enough to remember what Free CA was like stayed to fight, there would be no one to know the difference. I see it a lot in first time gun buyers...while they may be shocked and surprised by all the hoops they jump through for their first buy, they mistakenly assume it's either always been like that in CA or that it's also like that in the rest of the country. It takes a while until they wake up to what's going on elsewhere. Like I said earlier, I was born free. Was shooting before I moved to CA, when CA was free. And I've felt and fought every cut since I moved here 32 years ago. Hopefully I'll live long enough - cough cough - to see it come full circle. I didn't stop being an American when I drove across the state line. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That does sound like a loophole ripe for exploitation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So you can buy and sell used pistols that aren't on the roster, it's just that the only ones allowed to buy new are LEO? So they control the importing of off roster pistols? Correct. Been that way long time now. So much so that they're setting up stings to prosecute LEOs for selling for profit That does sound like a loophole ripe for exploitation. There were claims that someone on this site got pinched over that. No idea if it was true. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:19:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Legally? Only "on roster" guns (ie old models from 20 years ago) can be transferred from an out of state FFL to a non LEO Californian by shipping to the buyers FFL. Or you meet the limited requirements for an intra-familial transfer. Basically up/down grandparent/parent/child. Not siblings, in-laws or cousins, etc. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:20:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of my regulars has been able to take home a new-to-them handgun since the middle of March Things could always be worse. The process you have to go through sounds like no cakewalk. But..you did get to take it home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No - it was awesome actually - I mean, the drive sucked - an hour each way - but the Transfer went smooth as silk. Seller recommended a local Pawn shop that he said took post-rona walk-ins, no appts needed. Huh? Cool. All the Burbank joints are appt. only, but I called the pawn shop to confirm, and they said yeah, come on down... We were in - and - out in no time. Lucky for me, only essential traffic on the fwy. None of my regulars has been able to take home a new-to-them handgun since the middle of March Things could always be worse. The process you have to go through sounds like no cakewalk. But..you did get to take it home. I'm thinking this isn't quite what the framers had in mind when they suffixed on the "...shall not be infringed" phrase at the end. Just a wild guess, mind you. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:21:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice pistola OP. Sorry for all the hoops and added expense just to exercise your rights in a limited fashion. I used to be one of those "move to a free state" types, but as I get older I see that many of us are just an election or two away from going from free to behind enemy lines. If there was no preemption law in Texas I can guarantee that the Austin Politburo would gladly deprive me of my rights. You can tell China's influence on CA's gun policy...they're thinking generational. Since I move here in the late 80's, it's gotten incrementally more complicated that now the current 'rona crop of 1st time buyers are really truly in need of help to get through the process. it's daunting to newbs. There's the whole thing with your DMV...if you have the REAL ID or the old DMV.... You also need a passport - and/or a utility bill - but not a mobile bill, only a land line -- and oh, do you remember the model# of your safe? they need that too... Oh - and if it's a PPT -- do you have the ORIGINAL lock that came with the pistol? You don't? No, you can't substitute your own -- CA law says it has to be original factory lock, -or- buy the FFL's $40 lock....no thanks. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:22:05 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $2K for a sig? HO LEE FUK!!!! I should probably change the title to "How CA made a $900 SIG into a $2K SIG" 
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:22:49 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There were claims that someone on this site got pinched over that. No idea if it was true. There were some in LASD that got pinched last month... 
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:23:20 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or you meet the limited requirements for an intra-familial transfer. Basically up/down grandparent/parent/child. Not siblings, in-laws or cousins, etc. Yeah....that's not gonna happen for me. Unfortunately. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:24:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: if nobody old enough to remember what Free CA was like stayed to fight, there would be no one to know the difference. I see it a lot in first time gun buyers...while they may be shocked and surprised by all the hoops they jump through for their first buy, they mistakenly assume it's either always been like that in CA or that it's also like that in the rest of the country. It takes a while until they wake up to what's going on elsewhere. Like I said earlier, I was born free. Was shooting before I moved to CA, when CA was free. And I've felt and fought every cut since I moved here 32 years ago. Hopefully I'll live long enough - cough cough - to see it come full circle. I didn't stop being an American when I drove across the state line. You honestly have my support and sympathy. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:25:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You honestly have my support and sympathy. Thank you. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:27:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking this isn't quite what the framers had in mind when they suffixed on the "...shall not be infringed" phrase at the end. Just a wild guess, mind you. They would have been SSS by now. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:27:58 PM EDT
[#27]
I’m happy I don’t live there anymore (born & raised) but am fearful that shit will be everywhere and there isn’t a thing we can do to stop it. Maybe prolong it but not stop it.
 Sweet gun by the way |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:35:01 PM EDT
[#28]
Do you have plenty of ammo to shoot through it?
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:36:10 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And after all that, your 229 still only holds 10 rounds, right? Yes, unless you obtained mags during Freedom Week in which case you're gtg with normal cap mags. In CA you learn to plan ahead of anticipated tyranny. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:37:12 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have plenty of ammo to shoot through it? Name a color. I have a press.
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:37:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Where's the threaded barrel? And the suppressor? |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:37:44 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, unless you obtained mags during Freedom Week in which case you're gtg with normal cap mags. In CA you learn to plan ahead of anticipated tyranny. damn straight you do. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:38:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:39:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Almost $2000!?!?!?
 Ouch! Also down with the government of California! |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:43:59 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost $2000!?!?!? Ouch! Also down with the government of California! and I'm not even done with it. I have plans: Surefire X400u RDS -- going to try to find a Romeo cut slide 2nd hand and then go for the new Romeo 3, or maybe a different RDS....depends if I have to mill a blank 2nd slide or not....which might lead to -- New Sights And..lately I've been feeling like cerakoting something OD Green...it might be this...dunno. I'm also thinking about trying out one of those guide rods that doubles as a recoil reduction system from DPM. Anyone ever try one? Only $60...figured I'd give it a try:  Wrap it all up in a sweet custom kydex OWB from KT Mech |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:50:10 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I should probably change the title to "How CA made a $900 SIG into a $2K SIG" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: Originally Posted By 3BP: $2K for a sig? HO LEE FUK!!!! I should probably change the title to "How CA made a $900 SIG into a $2K SIG" Hell, we could just as easily make an NFA thread called “How the US made a $700 Rifle into a $24k Rifle”. There is no American in any state that can just smugly sit back and say this will never happen in his state. I’m in CA right now, but I move all the time: after living all over this country all I can say is that anti-gun shit is not regional, but city vs. country, and cities are just going to get bigger and swamp out political clout everywhere else. Without intense pressure from our minority (and we are a minority), all Americans, and all Americans after us, are going to lose their natural rights. Every democracy in the world has disarmed itself and without great judicial effort on our part, it would be folly to assume that disarming ourselves isn’t the natural path for us too. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:50:50 PM EDT
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My ex wife lives in Oregon, I live in California. Turns out if she buys a pistol and decides she doesn't like it, she can give it to one of her children in California - like one of our sons. Even if it's off roster. At that point, my son can decide he doesn't like it and sell me the gun.
Bunch of bullshit but it complies with the retarded laws. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:51:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Can you buy ammo with a C&R license?
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:51:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hollywood_Shooter: I see it a lot in first time gun buyers...while they may be shocked and surprised by all the hoops they jump through for their first buy, they mistakenly assume it's either always been like that in CA or that it's also like that in the rest of the country. It takes a while until they wake up to what's going on elsewhere. Same could be said of native-born NYS residents |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 5:56:33 PM EDT
[#40]
I'm happy to see this thread didn't devolve into everyone telling OP to fuck off and leave the state. I hope the pendulum swings hard the other way soon.
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:02:42 PM EDT
[#41]
@OP
Were you required to have a “real ID” DL in lieu of the standard issue DL?... |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:15:38 PM EDT
[#42]
Dude, you're the one choosing to pay the taxes to support said tyranny. My favorite landscapes in the world are in CA, but you don't see me choosing to live there. I refuse to support/comply/participate with the commies. Coming to a community near me.
Lame story, 3/10 for prose. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:16:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @OP Were you required to have a "real ID" DL in lieu of the standard issue DL?... I brought my CADMV , with passport as back up, and a DWP bill Also I didn't know you could @ the OP without putting the op's name. cool. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:17:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, you're the one choosing to pay the taxes to support said tyranny. My favorite landscapes in the world are in CA, but you don't see me choosing to live there. I refuse to support/comply/participate with the commies. Coming to a community near me. Lame story, 3/10 for prose. eta: You'd be a lot cooler if you did. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:18:58 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tactical_Spartan: So what would happen if our CA brothers created a personal list of WTB items in EE and one of us in a "free" state chose to sell them a slightly used one at our cost? IIRC, it would have to currently be on the roster of ‘approved’ handguns before the transferring FFL would be allowed to transfer it to a Cali resident. Not sure how much of a legal issue it could be if said FFL transferred a ‘non-approved’ pistol you one of us plebes?... |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:19:13 PM EDT
[#46]
If those aren't poll taxes, I don't know what is.
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:19:59 PM EDT
[#47]
This will be Virginia in five years.
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:20:21 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If those aren't poll taxes, I don't know what is. this guy gets it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:20:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 07AMF: This will be Virginia in five years. I don’t think lobby day got you 5 years. |
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Posted: 4/29/2020 6:21:10 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Good-Shepherd: Screw that. S&W offers a Mass compliant SD9VE (with 10.5lb trigger.) Swap in an Apex spring kit, bingo; a S&W Glock with better sights and grip angle for half the price. S&W makes a CA legal SD9VE as well. I don't see Glock going out of their way to help gun owners caught behind enemy lines. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Good-Shepherd: Originally Posted By beruitUSMC0351:New Glocks cannot be sold in Mass to non-LEOs because of "consumer safety regulations". There is a brisk secondary market of NIB glocks for sale at $300 above MSRP as LEOs buy one and decide the next day they don't actually want it. S&W offers a Mass compliant SD9VE (with 10.5lb trigger.) Swap in an Apex spring kit, bingo; a S&W Glock with better sights and grip angle for half the price. S&W makes a CA legal SD9VE as well. I don't see Glock going out of their way to help gun owners caught behind enemy lines. No? Always assumed that Glock continues to manufacture their gen3 pistols (basically) because of Cali... |
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