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I don't own one but have shopped... IMO the Rossi's are the most handsome/desirable and they have a pretty fair following and decent reputation for what would perhaps be described as a 2nd tier brand... they even have aftermarket support.
They're also priced more accurately to what something like this is worth.... IMO anyway. A finely finished Italian replica is worth north of a grand, but a basic lever not so much. |
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The few Rossi's I've seen the last couple years (all 16' .44s for some reason) have been very smooth. I would probably lean that way for .357 but I think a Henry is a better choice for .44 (better twist rate, no steel plate, have read of .44 Rossi's being oversized). Ruger Marlins might be better than both but there's not a lot of models available yet.
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Blued large loop Rossi, .38Sp/.357. Free shipping.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1025399524?pid=807781 |
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Quoted: Blued large loop Rossi, .38Sp/.357. Free shipping. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1025399524?pid=807781 View Quote Jeez that looks handy |
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Quoted: 38 S&W is NOT part of the 38 Colt/38 S&W Special/357 Magnum family; bullet is a few thousandths larger, case head a few thousandths larger. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I am a fan of that antique caliber family, .38S&W, .38spl & .357 Magnum. I have alway fancied one day having a lever gun to go with my chief's specials, my model 10, and my 686. Henry sells a 16" carbine (7rds) and a 20" rifle (10rds). Ballistics by the Inch seems to show that 16" is the sweet spot with velocity dropping off in longer barrels. My first question is: Will I die if I only have 7 .357 rounds on tap? My second is: Will I die if I have a non- rimfire Henry? My 3rd question is: Does anyone have any thing they want to offer as far as advice? 38 S&W is NOT part of the 38 Colt/38 S&W Special/357 Magnum family; bullet is a few thousandths larger, case head a few thousandths larger. Fine! Be all technically correct. But if we're talking thousandths, we are in the realm of cunt hairs. And if so, how many cunt hairs? My in depth online research suggests that average standard cunt hairs measure .0028"-.0035". I've also seen mentiion that while normal cunt hairs measure 0.002" a red cunt hair may be as thick as 0.004". 38 S&W is supposed to have a bullet diameter of .361", a rim diameter of .44", and a rim thickness of .055". 38 Spl. uses .357 bullets with a case rim diameter of .44" and a rim thickness of .058". That's kissin' cousin territory. I'm thinking that a little alcohol and some lube could make this work |
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Quoted: Get threaded anyway, and hypothetically….you could just make your own. Purely in theory View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've yet to put my hands on one yet. I have a .22 Henry that I like very much. Full Colibri plinker out my home office window. I'll have to look at other makers but I'm liking 16" the more I think about it. Sadly I'm in Commiefornia so treading a barrel for a quite gun makes no sense. Get threaded anyway, and hypothetically….you could just make your own. Purely in theory In Minecraft? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've yet to put my hands on one yet. I have a .22 Henry that I like very much. Full Colibri plinker out my home office window. I'll have to look at other makers but I'm liking 16" the more I think about it. Sadly I'm in Commiefornia so treading a barrel for a quite gun makes no sense. Get threaded anyway, and hypothetically….you could just make your own. Purely in theory In Minecraft? Attached File |
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Quoted: My Henry 16” carbine and speed loaders. The mag tube will accommodate 8 rounds. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/175733/IMG_3828_jpeg-3198616.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/175733/IMG_3829_jpeg-3198617.JPG View Quote That's part of what's got me looking at the Henry. The loading gate is good and right, like Mr. Benjamin Tyler Henry intended back in 1866, but the rimfire style loading option is growing on me. |
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Quoted: Makes me sad that “Henry’ has somehow become the “go to” lever gun. I’ve owned two Henry’s. I no longer own any and frankly I’m still salty I lost money on them after discovering there are better lever actions out there. Having owned over 40 lever guns I can tell you that if 38 is what you want I’d go with the JMB designed 1892. Your choice of manufacturers from Rossi up to Miroku Winchester clones (I’d recommend an Italian made one.) My second choice would be a slicked up 1873 from an Italian manufacturer. I should be glad that everyone overlooks the Italian guns, keeps their prices down and Henrys cost up. That’s fine now that I know better. Not to say Henry”s aren’t perfectly good guns (actually their rimfires are way too cheaply made for my taste). It’s just that once you’ve held and ran an 1873 or 1892 made by a premium manufacturer it’ll be hard to justify the price of a Henry. Ask the SASS (cowboy shooters) what they’d recommend (they actually run thousands of rounds and heavily use their guns) and they’ll actually specifically recommend against a Henry….theyre first recommendation is the 1873 followed by a 92 or Marlin. The 1873 has a ton of aftermarket upgrades to make it “go fast.” But my son’s Rossi 92 “Space gun” is slicker than my short stroked Cimarron 73. View Quote Thanks for the feedback. I gotta ask though, do you still have those 40 lever guns? If not, why not? Can't you stick with something once you've chosen it? |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459992/IMG_0285_jpeg-3198713.JPG .357 magnum gets it done. Mandatory Henry Big Boy picture for reference. Next on my list is .45-70… View Quote Your dog looks sad. You should take him to the vet. |
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If im gonna handle something with a stock, that long of a barrel, two hands its gonna be a rifle caliber... just sayin
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So who makes a 357/38 that is threaded and got an appropriate twist for 180gn 38 specials? I have tons of lead.
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Quoted: @grumpycoconut One to drool over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/75521/tempImageimPUWp_jpg-3198822.JPG View Quote It's for dinosaurs right? Is it for big .44+ caliber dinosaurs or wimpy little .357 caliber dinosaurs? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Blued large loop Rossi, .38Sp/.357. Free shipping. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1025399524?pid=807781 Jeez that looks handy I got really tempted by this one. The price is certainly poors friendly. But then I looked at the other side. I don't think it will work for me because I'm a Californian. The saddle ring might get caught up in my face piercings. |
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Quoted: Fine! Be all technically correct. But if we're talking thousandths, we are in the realm of cunt hairs. And if so, how many cunt hairs? My in depth online research suggests that average standard cunt hairs measure .0028"-.0035". I've also seen mentiion that while normal cunt hairs measure 0.002" a red cunt hair may be as thick as 0.004". 38 S&W is supposed to have a bullet diameter of .361", a rim diameter of .44", and a rim thickness of .055". 38 Spl. uses .357 bullets with a case rim diameter of .44" and a rim thickness of .058". That's kissin' cousin territory. I'm thinking that a little alcohol and some lube could make this work View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am a fan of that antique caliber family, .38S&W, .38spl & .357 Magnum. I have alway fancied one day having a lever gun to go with my chief's specials, my model 10, and my 686. Henry sells a 16" carbine (7rds) and a 20" rifle (10rds). Ballistics by the Inch seems to show that 16" is the sweet spot with velocity dropping off in longer barrels. My first question is: Will I die if I only have 7 .357 rounds on tap? My second is: Will I die if I have a non- rimfire Henry? My 3rd question is: Does anyone have any thing they want to offer as far as advice? 38 S&W is NOT part of the 38 Colt/38 S&W Special/357 Magnum family; bullet is a few thousandths larger, case head a few thousandths larger. Fine! Be all technically correct. But if we're talking thousandths, we are in the realm of cunt hairs. And if so, how many cunt hairs? My in depth online research suggests that average standard cunt hairs measure .0028"-.0035". I've also seen mentiion that while normal cunt hairs measure 0.002" a red cunt hair may be as thick as 0.004". 38 S&W is supposed to have a bullet diameter of .361", a rim diameter of .44", and a rim thickness of .055". 38 Spl. uses .357 bullets with a case rim diameter of .44" and a rim thickness of .058". That's kissin' cousin territory. I'm thinking that a little alcohol and some lube could make this work Let us know how shooting .38 S&W from your .38 S&W Special revolvers works for you. May chamber, might not Probably won't get stuck in the barrel, you'll probably notice a squib and not bulge your barrel.. .38 Special is an elongation of the .38 Colt case. |
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Quoted: If im gonna handle something with a stock, that long of a barrel, two hands its gonna be a rifle caliber... just sayin View Quote Something on the order of say, an M1 Carbine? http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html |
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Original Marlin Dark that wears a lightweight Leupold now but may go back to a red dot. They’re hard to find but in my opinion feel much better in hand than the Henry X.
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Quoted: It's for dinosaurs right? Is it for big .44+ caliber dinosaurs or wimpy little .357 caliber dinosaurs? View Quote .357 caliber dinosaurs, Attached File 45/70 for the Big dinosaurs. |
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Quoted: I should shoot this more?? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/389898/IMG_3383_jpeg-3198930.JPG View Quote @Detn8r-Red2 .357 or .44? |
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Quoted: @grumpycoconut One to drool over. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/75521/tempImageimPUWp_jpg-3198822.JPG View Quote Monica!! Attached File |
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Quoted: .44 has the same mag capacity and is not gay. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128932/1000000475_jpg-3198586.JPG View Quote You need to post that pic more. Seriously... |
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Quoted: Let us know how shooting .38 S&W from your .38 S&W Special revolvers works for you. May chamber, might not Probably won't get stuck in the barrel, you'll probably notice a squib and not bulge your barrel.. .38 Special is an elongation of the .38 Colt case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am a fan of that antique caliber family, .38S&W, .38spl & .357 Magnum. I have alway fancied one day having a lever gun to go with my chief's specials, my model 10, and my 686. Henry sells a 16" carbine (7rds) and a 20" rifle (10rds). Ballistics by the Inch seems to show that 16" is the sweet spot with velocity dropping off in longer barrels. My first question is: Will I die if I only have 7 .357 rounds on tap? My second is: Will I die if I have a non- rimfire Henry? My 3rd question is: Does anyone have any thing they want to offer as far as advice? 38 S&W is NOT part of the 38 Colt/38 S&W Special/357 Magnum family; bullet is a few thousandths larger, case head a few thousandths larger. Fine! Be all technically correct. But if we're talking thousandths, we are in the realm of cunt hairs. And if so, how many cunt hairs? My in depth online research suggests that average standard cunt hairs measure .0028"-.0035". I've also seen mentiion that while normal cunt hairs measure 0.002" a red cunt hair may be as thick as 0.004". 38 S&W is supposed to have a bullet diameter of .361", a rim diameter of .44", and a rim thickness of .055". 38 Spl. uses .357 bullets with a case rim diameter of .44" and a rim thickness of .058". That's kissin' cousin territory. I'm thinking that a little alcohol and some lube could make this work Let us know how shooting .38 S&W from your .38 S&W Special revolvers works for you. May chamber, might not Probably won't get stuck in the barrel, you'll probably notice a squib and not bulge your barrel.. .38 Special is an elongation of the .38 Colt case. . Like I said. Alcohol and lubricant will be involved. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I should shoot this more?? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/389898/IMG_3383_jpeg-3198930.JPG @Detn8r-Red2 .357 or .44? @KR20 .357 to match my revolvers. |
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Had a Rossi twenty inch. Sold to a friend so his daughter could deer hunt. Should have kept it. Amazingly accurate. Utterly reliable. The Brazilians have been building these longer than Winchester, they have it figured out.
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I have had several. 357 lever guns.
Marlins are nice, no complaints. Had a Rossi saddle ring carbine, nice gun but I hated the cross bolt safety they added. Finest of them all quality wise are the Japanese made Miroku/Winchesters 1892's. I have owned a couple and currently they are available for sale again. So if you want a KISS lever gun that is what I would buy, otherwise the Ruger made Marlins for the tactical approach. If you want to compete you want an 1873 action as they are the smoothest and fastest actions, Uberti and Taylor make them. Either way .357 lever guns are tons of fun. https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/rifles/winchester-1892-short-rifle-gloss-bluedwalnut-lever-action-rifle-357-magnum-20in/p/1243270 |
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My two Rossi lever actions have been utterly reliable. .45 Colt Interarms era (1990’s), one a carbine and one a 24” rifle, no safety other than half cock. For years my hunting load was a stout load of H110 under a 300-gr gas check. From the 24” rifle (with a Marbles peep sight) it would group inside a 2” orange bull at 100 meters. The carbine, with a simple notch rear sight, would group at around 3”.
Only problem I ever had was certain 300 gr hard cast bullets were ‘long’ and some were ‘wide’. The longs wouldn’t feed through the carbine, but fed fine through the rifle. My everyday load duplicates the buffalo bore 250 gr gas check HP. |
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I have a Rossi .357 amd a Marlin/Ruger. 357. I cant say 1 is nicer than the other. The new Rossis are pretty good and I think it feeds a little better than the Marlin.
I have the Marlin scoped with a leupold 1.5-4. The Rossi I shoot with open sights. Both are fun to shoot. |
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Quoted: Fine! Be all technically correct. But if we're talking thousandths, we are in the realm of cunt hairs. And if so, how many cunt hairs? My in depth online research suggests that average standard cunt hairs measure .0028"-.0035". I've also seen mentiion that while normal cunt hairs measure 0.002" a red cunt hair may be as thick as 0.004". 38 S&W is supposed to have a bullet diameter of .361", a rim diameter of .44", and a rim thickness of .055". 38 Spl. uses .357 bullets with a case rim diameter of .44" and a rim thickness of .058". That's kissin' cousin territory. I'm thinking that a little alcohol and some lube could make this work View Quote The dimension you aren't including is the case head diameter, just above the rim. The 38 Special/357 magnum chamber spec is .381 inches, -0/+0.004; the 38 S&W case spec is .3865 inches, -0.006/+0. So the only way a 38 S&W enters a 38 Special chamber is if the tolerances stack to make it possible, comparing the specified dimensions it shouldn't be possible. |
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If I would’ve got my 1892 first, I would’ve never bothered with the Henry. The 1892 design is so much lighter and slimmer.
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Quoted: Do it. Picked this Henry up a few weeks ago. Seems solid. https://i.postimg.cc/28Lx8RFC/IMG-5338.jpg View Quote Had that same model in 357mag, I added a skinner receiver sight. Smaller aperture was nice for precision and it could be unscrewed to make it a fast ghost ring. That rifle and my 16" color case 357 Henry loves 125 and 140gr running fast. Same load was about 80-100fps faster in the 20" than the 16". |
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Quoted: I prefer the more traditional ones. 20" .357 m92 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/20201209_132833_HDR_jpg-3200178.JPG 16" .45 colt m92 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20221211_142316_2_jpg-3200180.JPG View Quote Same here anytime I see those railed tactical lever guns always makes me think those guys are good to go for a semi auto rifle ban that would be the best you can get then. |
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I have the Henry X. Threaded barrel is a must. YHM R9 is perfect for it.
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Quoted: Same here anytime I see those railed tactical lever guns always makes me think those guys are good to go for a semi auto rifle ban that would be the best you can get then. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I prefer the more traditional ones. 20" .357 m92 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/20201209_132833_HDR_jpg-3200178.JPG 16" .45 colt m92 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20221211_142316_2_jpg-3200180.JPG Same here anytime I see those railed tactical lever guns always makes me think those guys are good to go for a semi auto rifle ban that would be the best you can get then. I see them as a Tapco'd sks |
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Quoted: I see them as a Tapco'd sks View Quote But at ten times the price! I can see the benefit of some modernizing - adding lights, ammo carriage, IR lasers, etc. I’m about to put red dots on my lever guns. I might even put a light on my 336 just for fun. Or bad guys. Of course, I was just thinking about putting a 45 degree mount red dot on a scoped bolt gun, so my opinion may be suspect. As for the OP, I really enjoy my 20” Rossi .357. The oldest boy has the 16” version. No problems, and they are sleek and just feel good in the hands. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I prefer the more traditional ones.20" .357 m92 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/20201209_132833_HDR_jpg-3200178.JPG 16" .45 colt m92 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20221211_142316_2_jpg-3200180.JPG Same here anytime I see those railed tactical lever guns always makes me think those guys are good to go for a semi auto rifle ban that would be the best you can get then. I see them as a Tapco'd sks Rather different situation. With the SKS, in the 90's you had an incredibly cheap, well made forged steel semi-auto rifle w/ a dated magazine, sights, stocks, and attachment points that you could buy very inexpensively, feed it effective but very inexpensive ammo, and upgrade to a semi-modern standard relatively inexpensively, and post-ban with effective detachable magazines it became reasonably effective if a bit clunky. But for what you had in it, a helluva deal. Then they became valuable, and we're now in a mad rush to find all the original bits so we can sell them for more than a cheap AR. With lever actions, you have a 150 year old design that is still popular, will never be as effective as even an SKS, but is an effective hunting gun, 50 state, Canadian, and sometimes even Mexican legal - but is difficult to scope & lacks modern attachment points. Add a rail, now you can drop a red dot on it which is all the PCCs need, add a flashlight & IR LASER for hog hunts, easily mount & dismount a bipod, throw QD sling mounts anywhere you want, adjust the stock to your preferred LOP, etc. It's taking advantage of modern accessories which are more difficult to mount on a plain wood stocked lever action. Tapco fucking the SKS was a cheap route to an effective SD rifle when ARs were expensive and 7.62x39mm was dirt cheap. Adding rails, collapsible stocks, and threaded barrels to lever actions is making a beloved American manual repeating action more useful in the current era, permitting more use cases, increasing its effectiveness & popularity. Exactly the same has been done to modern bolt actions in chassis, and I'm sure if Rem Arms ever reintroduces the 7600 there will be a "Tactical" version of that as well. |
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