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Posted: 10/29/2022 5:50:50 PM EDT
[#1]
LOL no. 300BLK works with the same bolt and mags as 5.56.
7.62x39 subs are going to be very niche. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 5:57:40 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted:I'm waiting for PSA to release an AK in 300blk. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/laugh-lol-818.gifp Kharny |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:17:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:26:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Holy crapola. Midway wants $1.75 a round for those new Hornady rounds. So no, 300 blk is not obsolete.
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:33:06 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted: Check out these numbers. IMO .300 BO is now obsolete. https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/7.62x39-255-gr-sub-x-subsonic#!/ Abject failure. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:41:53 PM EDT
[#6]
IMO: OP needs coloring books for Christmas.
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:45:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Can I make 7.62x39 brass from the tens of thousands of 5.56 brass that I have?
Can I use an AR15 rifle to make the 7.62x39 rifle with a simple barrel swap? Furthermore, over half the guys I know in the shooting world have at least one (usually more) 300 BO guns. Every store here that sells ammo has 300 BO in stock. I haven’t seen 7.62x39 in years. Doesn’t sound obsolete to me |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:48:44 PM EDT
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So, 123gr 7.62x39 out of a 9" barrel is in the 1850-1900fps range with a bit more flash and pop. I only use 110gr 7.62x35 so not sure what the speed difference is; but it would appear to be negligible for ballistic purposes.
So, the only question left is can I shoot subsonic, supersonic, suppressed, unsuppressed 7.62x39 out of a rifle? If so, then you've got a heavily tapered .300 BLK that doesn't fit in an AR magwell easily. Or a cool option if you have a Kalashnikov. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:49:03 PM EDT
[#9]
Double 300 BO tap.
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Posted: 10/29/2022 6:58:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, 123gr 7.62x39 out of a 9" barrel is in the 1850-1900fps range with a bit more flash and pop. I only use 110gr 7.62x35 so not sure what the speed difference is; but it would appear to be negligible for ballistic purposes. So, the only question left is can I shoot subsonic, supersonic, suppressed, unsuppressed 7.62x39 out of a rifle? If so, then you've got a heavily tapered .300 BLK that doesn't fit in an AR magwell easily. Or a cool option if you have a Kalashnikov. I run subs, supers, suppressed, unsuppressed x39 in my AKs and AR with no changes necessary between load changes. My subs are 220gr. All fits in an AR magwell or an AK mag. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I run subs, supers, suppressed, unsuppressed x39 in my AKs and AR with no changes necessary between load changes. My subs are 220gr. All fits in an AR magwell or an AK mag. I've never seen a 7.62x39 AR that used an AR magwell that was as reliable as a 5.56/7.62x35. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:07:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Check out these numbers. IMO .300 BO is now obsolete. https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/7.62x39-255-gr-sub-x-subsonic#!/ Wrong. Between mags and bolts, I won’t touch x39 in an AR platform. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:16:17 PM EDT
[#13]
I'd switch over to 300Ham'r before I ditched 300BLK to try & shoot 7.62x39 out of my AR.
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:43:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't shoot 300BO subsonic. The bullets bounce off the ground and go whizzing off dangerously. I could shoot supersonic only but why bother. Huh? Supers do the same thing. You just don’t hear the ricochets. Tell us you haven’t shot tracers at night without telling us you haven’t shot tracers at night. They flick off up into the sky in all directions. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:47:13 PM EDT
[#15]
.300 BLK is a better round for the intended purpose. Especially since 7.62x39 in AR-style mags will never be as reliable as using .300 BLK in standard AR mags. This alone is the reason it’s not even in the running for anything other than a range you or hunting.
If we’re talking bolt actions I can see some utility here, but it’s not going to replace anything. Quality, accurate 7.62x39 is difficult to come by. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:47:19 PM EDT
[#16]
OP is retarded.
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:49:25 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? Supers do the same thing. You just don’t hear the ricochets. Tell us you haven’t shot tracers at night without telling us you haven’t shot tracers at night. They flick off up into the sky in all directions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't shoot 300BO subsonic. The bullets bounce off the ground and go whizzing off dangerously. I could shoot supersonic only but why bother. Huh? Supers do the same thing. You just don’t hear the ricochets. Tell us you haven’t shot tracers at night without telling us you haven’t shot tracers at night. They flick off up into the sky in all directions. I feel like GD has reached a level of autism where satire is now impossible and unappreciated. And I say this as one who is guilty of same, many times over. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 7:53:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: only good post in this dumbass troll thread I’ve had a vz.58 on my wishlist for a long time, would love to get one suppressed Quote HistoryQuoted: only good post in this dumbass troll thread I’ve had a vz.58 on my wishlist for a long time, would love to get one suppressed Same, they're never in stock when I have enough money to scratch that itch Quoted: @feetpiece What mag is that? No idea, but it is a worthy rabbit hole to go down. I just google "suppressed VZ.58" and that gloriousness was one of the first pics in the results. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 8:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .300 BLK is a better round for the intended purpose. Especially since 7.62x39 in AR-style mags will never be as reliable as using .300 BLK in standard AR mags. This alone is the reason it’s not even in the running for anything other than a range you or hunting. If we’re talking bolt actions I can see some utility here, but it’s not going to replace anything. Quality, accurate 7.62x39 is difficult to come by. If Magpool can engineer a Mag for the SIX8 they could do it for the x39/Grendel and they'd sell every receiver they could forge. A 10" x39 Upper and a 12" Grendel upper would cover every game animal and varmint in the L48 inside of 200m and would be more than sufficient at bear defense. But those sorts of toys aren't for the PSA crowd  |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 8:21:34 PM EDT
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Did the .30-40 Krag make .308 obsolete?
And this: Quoted: OP is retarded. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 8:24:17 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Magpool can engineer a Mag for the SIX8 they could do it for the x39/Grendel and they'd sell every receiver they could forge. A 10" x39 Upper and a 12" Grendel upper would cover every game animal and varmint in the L48 inside of 200m and would be more than sufficient at bear defense. But those sorts of toys aren't for the PSA crowd https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PossiblePepperyAfricanclawedfrog-max-1mb.gif But they haven’t. And until a proper magazine and stronger AR bolt exists for 7.62x39 its not going to outclass .300 BLK, which by its own nature has none of these issues. That and a lack of ammo availability are the same reason I walked away from 6.5 Grendel as well. |
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Posted: 10/29/2022 9:00:13 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Magpool can engineer a Mag for the SIX8 they could do it for the x39/Grendel and they'd sell every receiver they could forge. A 10" x39 Upper and a 12" Grendel upper would cover every game animal and varmint in the L48 inside of 200m and would be more than sufficient at bear defense. But those sorts of toys aren't for the PSA crowd https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PossiblePepperyAfricanclawedfrog-max-1mb.gif Sure; but why? What do you get? Same velocity for the same weight bullet out of the same length barrel; but more flash and blast? I mean, there is at least incentive to create 6.8 or 6.5 mags because they are bringing a new capability. With the Hornady subsonic and assuming no gas issues, 7.62x39 now brings the same capability as 7.62x35. If you're in an AR platform, just use 7.62x35 (absent weird foreign ammo issues). |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 10:15:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huh? Supers do the same thing. You just don’t hear the ricochets. Tell us you haven’t shot tracers at night without telling us you haven’t shot tracers at night. They flick off up into the sky in all directions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't shoot 300BO subsonic. The bullets bounce off the ground and go whizzing off dangerously. I could shoot supersonic only but why bother. Huh? Supers do the same thing. You just don’t hear the ricochets. Tell us you haven’t shot tracers at night without telling us you haven’t shot tracers at night. They flick off up into the sky in all directions. I've shot a ton of AK rounds and what they don't do is bounce off dirt and go WHIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZ into the hillside, bounce off the hillside, and who WHHIIIIIIZZZZ over the road onto the neighbor's property. I can't even shoot an armadillo without risking a bullet flying over a property line. Supers bury into dirt or splatter on rock. Sure, a few richochet but it's rare. With subsonice 300 bo it's like 5/6 rounds. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 11:34:31 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've shot a ton of AK rounds and what they don't do is bounce off dirt and go WHIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZ into the hillside, bounce off the hillside, and who WHHIIIIIIZZZZ over the road onto the neighbor's property. I can't even shoot an armadillo without risking a bullet flying over a property line. Supers bury into dirt or splatter on rock. Sure, a few richochet but it's rare. With subsonice 300 bo it's like 5/6 rounds.  The gun shop rumors you guys toss around here are funny at least. “sUpErS dOnT rIcoChEt”P.S.- You non-tracer supers do the same thing…you just don’t see them. Anyone who’s done night tables with an M240 could tell you that. About 50% of shots that impact the ground at a low angle will ricochet.  Talking the guns (M240B) Night Fire Exercise  Knob Creek Machine Gun Night Shoot Spring 2010 |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 11:48:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7.62x39 AR pattern mags suck donkey balls no matter how you cut it. They work but not well enough I would bet my life on them. 300blk uses AR mags and bolt. Hybrid AR rifles that use AK mags are the better option if you must have an AR type rifle for x39. I have a 7.62x39 AR for one reason. It is the cheapest possible hog round out there and the AR can mount the NV scope. All I use are 5 or 10rd mags. It's worthless for anything else, but for hogs closer than 150 feet? It's awesome. BCA upper, Anderson lower, internals out of the parts box, I doubt I have $400 in in minus the NV. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 6:12:47 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: snipped out the ignorant babble Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've shot a ton of AK rounds and what they don't do is bounce off dirt and go WHIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZ into the hillside, bounce off the hillside, and who WHHIIIIIIZZZZ over the road onto the neighbor's property. I can't even shoot an armadillo without risking a bullet flying over a property line. Supers bury into dirt or splatter on rock. Sure, a few richochet but it's rare. With subsonice 300 bo it's like 5/6 rounds. snipped out the ignorant babble Go read it again. My experiences are 100% mine.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 6:24:46 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go read it again. My experiences are 100% mine. The ignorance is yours and yours alone to bear. You’re claiming (in definitives) something you cannot see or hear isn’t happening. Your herp derp is going to end up with one of those supersonic bullets into someone’s car or home if you’re worried about about subs leaving the property. But you do you scooter. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 6:52:12 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ignorance is yours and yours alone to bear. You’re claiming (in definitives) something you cannot see or hear isn’t happening. Your herp derp is going to end up with one of those supersonic bullets into someone’s car or home if you’re worried about about subs leaving the property. But you do you scooter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Go read it again. My experiences are 100% mine. The ignorance is yours and yours alone to bear. You’re claiming (in definitives) something you cannot see or hear isn’t happening. Your herp derp is going to end up with one of those supersonic bullets into someone’s car or home if you’re worried about about subs leaving the property. But you do you scooter. Nope, you have zero idea what you're talking about. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 6:55:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, you have zero idea what you're talking about.  . You do you smooth brain. I’d hate to be your neighbor.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 7:12:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: . You do you smooth brain. I’d hate to be your neighbor.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nope, you have zero idea what you're talking about. . You do you smooth brain. I’d hate to be your neighbor.It's fine because I don't shoot subs anymore in that caliber. With the bullets they are made with, they ricochet way more often. You would know this if you actually shot your gun at actual animals, not just punching paper at a range or shooting the breeze with the old guys at the counter.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 7:31:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's fine because I don't shoot subs anymore in that caliber. With the bullets they are made with, they ricochet way more often. You would know this if you actually shot your gun at actual animals, not just punching paper at a range or shooting the breeze with the old guys at the counter. Yeah what would I know…  Keep going. Please. This has to be satire. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 7:34:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/30/2022 7:34:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Ok, tell all that to your modified AR bolt. Im sure it will "Da Comrade" like a good commie round right before the bolt fails.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 7:36:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Are 300blk or x39 subs any better than any subsonic expanding HP handgun bullet?
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Posted: 10/30/2022 7:41:14 PM EDT
[#35]
I loaded some 300 BO subs today and I think I have around 40 cents per round in them. The Hornady subsonic 7.62x29 is gonna be a lot more than that. I'll stick wih the BO.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 7:44:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are 300blk or x39 subs any better than any subsonic expanding HP handgun bullet? Quote HistoryQuoted: Are 300blk or x39 subs any better than any subsonic expanding HP handgun bullet? Well, the thought is that you are bringing 50% more weight to the party (200gr-245gr) and so the thought is that long bullet will yaw during travel through. That said, I've seen posters claim driving the .312 diameter XTPs (80-100gr HPs for 32 Long/H&R/327Fed) anywhere from subsonic speeds for "mouse fart" loads up to where they start spinning apart (around 2000fps) As I sad on page 2, the thing the 300 really has going for it is the variety of load data and components and component mixes available for .308 over the .310 diameter. Quoted: I loaded some 300 BO subs today and I think I have around 40 cents per round in them. The Hornady subsonic 7.62x29 is gonna be a lot more than that. I'll stick wih the BO. Not subs (no can...) but I've got 23c/rn steel case and 25c/rn brass case and 30c/r reloads (current pricing on components....) Did see a local place has a "sale" on 300bo subs for $23.95/20.... |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:02:05 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, tell all that to your modified AR bolt. Im sure it will "Da Comrade" like a good commie round right before the bolt fails. Oh the horror!! I might have to insert the spare bolt. Not that it's happened in 12 years of hunting pigs, but who knows? |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:07:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Lol, no.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:12:49 PM EDT
[#39]
I did a 7.62 upper once. Then I realized it was a jam o matic, the bolts are weak, and the mags suck. So I sold it, and built a 300 Blk upper, and lived happily ever after. The end. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:19:27 PM EDT
[#40]
I don’t like bananas.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:20:32 PM EDT
[#41]
OP can now tell us how reliable STANAG dimensioned 7.62x39 magazines are, and how robust the extra steel around the 7.62x39 bolt is.
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:32:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP can now tell us how reliable STANAG dimensioned 7.62x39 magazines are, and how robust the extra steel around the 7.62x39 bolt is. Duramag latest gen are 100%. They are the top of the line. Use something else and you will be disappointed. I have never broken a bolt with countless 1000s of rounds. 2 guns in 7.62X39. I should replace the bolt in one since it has a lot of rounds. And yes, I see you are being a smart ass. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:33:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted  By KillerDyller:I wont be switching. Sharing same mags and BCG as 5.56 seals the deal. This, but why not do both?!?! I have / love both rounds. But since I have a bolt in x39, I hope for the best. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:34:19 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Will this ammo cycle in an Arsenal SLR-107CR? I will not be running it suppressed. Serious question then, why would you shoot subs out of it? |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:36:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are 300blk or x39 subs any better than any subsonic expanding HP handgun bullet? Inferior. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:36:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ruger bolt action 7.62X39 rifles are going to be damn hard to find for a lot longer now. On that note, the factory ruger stock on the x39 is just hot garbage. Looked at getting a chassis as that would allow me to switch from ruger mini30 mags to AR47 mags. Ended up with a Boyds AT-One. Thing feels great now! Just need to shoot it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:38:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah what would I know… Keep going. Please. This has to be satire. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's fine because I don't shoot subs anymore in that caliber. With the bullets they are made with, they ricochet way more often. You would know this if you actually shot your gun at actual animals, not just punching paper at a range or shooting the breeze with the old guys at the counter. Yeah what would I know… Keep going. Please. This has to be satire. You're the man with the theory who is at the mercy of the man with the experience. You can keep flailing helplessly, if you wish. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:42:40 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't shoot 300BO subsonic. The bullets bounce off the ground and go whizzing off dangerously. I could shoot supersonic only but why bother. You do realize supers ricochet too right? |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:44:42 PM EDT
[#49]
I didn’t read any posts other than the OP so I may be beaten badly…
But someone should tell OP subsonic x39 has existed for a long while now. |
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Posted: 10/30/2022 8:50:40 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn’t read any posts other than the OP so I may be beaten badly… But someone should tell OP subsonic x39 has existed for a long while now. This is different. This single Hornady loading invalidates all that have come before it. |
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