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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:32:25 PM EDT
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All this, exactly, has been in arma 3 for a while. lol I find that amusing.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:33:56 PM EDT
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So looking at the bottom right corner of the chart, is that the "carbine?" Really early prototype of one. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By the way, we won't be allowed to buy any of this for 20 years at least.  we would probably help offset a great deal of the cost by our own free will instead of taxes.  |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:40:14 PM EDT
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In before Yama raja and LRRP Right? I got that too 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:40:51 PM EDT
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All this, exactly, has been in arma 3 for a while. lol I find that amusing. No, that is a caseless rifle made by CMMG. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:42:13 PM EDT
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Short enough for in-grip pistol mag lol? Imagine shooting that fireball thrower
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:42:26 PM EDT
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Polymer, cased telescopes, polymer linked, belt fed ammo. http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ls61.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the bullets themselves don't look particularly aerodynamic http://www.badcontroller.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/joker_notsureifserious.jpg No, I guess I'm confused by what the fuck is in her right hand  Polymer, cased telescopes, polymer linked, belt fed ammo. http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ls61.jpg Hell, it looks like the belt for the nerf machine gun my kid has, and that thing is awesome 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:45:19 PM EDT
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Pretty damn cool
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:47:58 PM EDT
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Case is sealed so no sand in the case, and they use a push through system. No extraction and no angled feeding, technically it is a far superior feeding system that current small arms use. One member here has used it and said it just runs, and runs...and runs some more. Not to mention polymer has "self lubricating" features. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Case is sealed so no sand in the case, and they use a push through system. No extraction and no angled feeding, technically it is a far superior feeding system that current small arms use. One member here has used it and said it just runs, and runs...and runs some more. Not to mention polymer has "self lubricating" features. have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:57:09 PM EDT
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Case is sealed so no sand in the case, and they use a push through system. No extraction and no angled feeding, technically it is a far superior feeding system that current small arms use. One member here has used it and said it just runs, and runs...and runs some more. Not to mention polymer has "self lubricating" features. have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? This And How well would it feed out of a magazine. You would need a shotgun style feed ramp but the actual mag would be thick as hell due to the casing. Looks like a .410 saga magazine might do it, but that means your trading bulk for weight. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:58:16 PM EDT
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Case is sealed so no sand in the case, and they use a push through system. No extraction and no angled feeding, technically it is a far superior feeding system that current small arms use. One member here has used it and said it just runs, and runs...and runs some more. Not to mention polymer has "self lubricating" features. have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? The member who tested them said they did thanks to the rotating,chamber not being a part of the barrel. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:59:55 PM EDT
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Messages portablegorrila.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 5:59:57 PM EDT
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If you think the carbine looks nifty (and who wouldn't?) it gets even niftier than the weight savings: because the chamber falls and the round is pushed in from the front, the barrel is actually a couple inches longer than it would appear to be in a traditional rifle that fires metallic-cased rounds.
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Case is sealed so no sand in the case, and they use a push through system. No extraction and no angled feeding, technically it is a far superior feeding system that current small arms use. One member here has used it and said it just runs, and runs...and runs some more. Not to mention polymer has "self lubricating" features. have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? IIRC, the polymer cases are insulators, instead of heat sinks. They simply don't transmit heat into the firing chamber the way that brass cases do. Since the chamber moves instead of the bolt, it's decoupled from the barrel, staying cool. Plus, again with the insulator bit, the cases will insulate the powder even if the chamber heats up. Of course, I'm not an engineer and I've also not heard of any of the prototypes being run through torture testing. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 6:00:43 PM EDT
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Wouldn't dirt get in the end of the casing? How well will those feed? Seems like they would cause feedway stoppages. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Case is sealed so no sand in the case, and they use a push through system. No extraction and no angled feeding, technically it is a far superior feeding system that current small arms use. One member here has used it and said it just runs, and runs...and runs some more. Not to mention polymer has "self lubricating" features. have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? What heat exchange problem are you referring to? The plastic cased telescoped rounds transmit very little heat to the chamber during firing and because the chamber is not attached to the barrel there is very little heat from the barrel (friction heat) transmitted to the chamber. The caseless rounds do have heat problems and always will. Hopefully the caseless part of the program will get binned. The plastic cased telescoped LMG is really an outstanding and novel design. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 6:08:42 PM EDT
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What heat exchange problem are you referring to? The plastic cased telescoped rounds transmit very little heat to the chamber during firing and because the chamber is not attached to the barrel there is very little heat from the barrel (friction heat) transmitted to the chamber. The caseless rounds do have heat problems and always will. Hopefully the caseless part of the program will get binned. The plastic cased telescoped LMG is really an outstanding and novel design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? What heat exchange problem are you referring to? The plastic cased telescoped rounds transmit very little heat to the chamber during firing and because the chamber is not attached to the barrel there is very little heat from the barrel (friction heat) transmitted to the chamber. The caseless rounds do have heat problems and always will. Hopefully the caseless part of the program will get binned. The plastic cased telescoped LMG is really an outstanding and novel design. i was thinking of the caseless problem WRT lack of heat extraction (no ejected brass), but your point makes a lot of sense. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 6:08:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2015 6:32:48 PM EDT
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Some of the heat in an AR comes from being rotated 22.5 degrees very quickly. i was thinking of the caseless problem WRT lack of heat extraction (no ejected brass), but your point makes a lot of sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? What heat exchange problem are you referring to? The plastic cased telescoped rounds transmit very little heat to the chamber during firing and because the chamber is not attached to the barrel there is very little heat from the barrel (friction heat) transmitted to the chamber. The caseless rounds do have heat problems and always will. Hopefully the caseless part of the program will get binned. The plastic cased telescoped LMG is really an outstanding and novel design. Some of the heat in an AR comes from being rotated 22.5 degrees very quickly. i was thinking of the caseless problem WRT lack of heat extraction (no ejected brass), but your point makes a lot of sense. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 6:54:50 PM EDT
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As of 2012 they had a carbine action developed.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:20:27 PM EDT
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I'm the guy that was part of the LSAT testing phase at Fort Benning. The 6.5 thing is news to me, but they were very much into adapting the technology into different calibers so I'm not surprised. Last I heard it was 5.56, 7.62 and .416 only. LRRP should be very happy to hear this.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:23:26 PM EDT
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I'm the guy that was part of the LSAT testing phase at Fort Benning. The 6.5 thing is news to me, but they were very much into adapting the technology into different calibers so I'm not surprised. Last I heard it was 5.56, 7.62 and .416 only. LRRP should be very happy to hear this. Thanks for coming in. Any idea if the caseless 5.56 is larger than standard 5.56 OD wise? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:26:43 PM EDT
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I'm the guy that was part of the LSAT testing phase at Fort Benning. The 6.5 thing is news to me, but they were very much into adapting the technology into different calibers so I'm not surprised. Last I heard it was 5.56, 7.62 and .416 only. LRRP should be very happy to hear this. Thanks for coming in. No problem. I'm interested in the 6.5 version as a potential replacement for the 240/MK48. I know when I was a 240 gunner, I would have sucked miles of dick for a 15lb weapon rather than the 240. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:30:28 PM EDT
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No problem. I'm interested in the 6.5 version as a potential replacement for the 240/MK48. I know when I was a 240 gunner, I would have sucked miles of dick for a 15lb weapon rather than the 240. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm the guy that was part of the LSAT testing phase at Fort Benning. The 6.5 thing is news to me, but they were very much into adapting the technology into different calibers so I'm not surprised. Last I heard it was 5.56, 7.62 and .416 only. LRRP should be very happy to hear this. Thanks for coming in. No problem. I'm interested in the 6.5 version as a potential replacement for the 240/MK48. I know when I was a 240 gunner, I would have sucked miles of dick for a 15lb weapon rather than the 240. Technically, couldn't 6.5 replace the M4, M249, and M240? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:32:00 PM EDT
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have they solved the heat exchange problem yet? 
At 1:22 it shows the action in operation. The experiment participant said the swinging chamber was cool enough to touch. Maybe someone who knows can say what the contributions to barrel heat are. I found some uncited numbers from an old arf thread for the 30.06: heat to cartridge case 131.0 calories 4.26 % kinetic energy of bullet 885.3 calories 28.78 % kinetic energy of gases 569.1 calories 18.50 % heat to barrel 679.9 calories 22.10 % heat to gases 598.6 calories 19.46 % heat generated by friction 212.0 calories 6.89 % Total 3075.9 calories If the telescoped case really does act as an insulator presumably more heat will be expended in the gases, some of which will be transferred to the barrel. But if the chamber stays cool this isn't as much of a problem. Be interesting to see how they implement the action for the carbine. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:34:55 PM EDT
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Technically, couldn't 6.5 replace the M4, M249, and M240? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm the guy that was part of the LSAT testing phase at Fort Benning. The 6.5 thing is news to me, but they were very much into adapting the technology into different calibers so I'm not surprised. Last I heard it was 5.56, 7.62 and .416 only. LRRP should be very happy to hear this. Thanks for coming in. No problem. I'm interested in the 6.5 version as a potential replacement for the 240/MK48. I know when I was a 240 gunner, I would have sucked miles of dick for a 15lb weapon rather than the 240. Technically, couldn't 6.5 replace the M4, M249, and M240? Probably but I can't see them dumping the 5.56 LSAT now that they've got it perfected. With talks of a carbine it looks like they must have dropped the M4 upper idea and opted for a whole new design instead. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:45:01 PM EDT
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Probably but I can't see them dumping the 5.56 LSAT now that they've got it perfected. With talks of a carbine it looks like they must have dropped the M4 upper idea and opted for a whole new design instead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm the guy that was part of the LSAT testing phase at Fort Benning. The 6.5 thing is news to me, but they were very much into adapting the technology into different calibers so I'm not surprised. Last I heard it was 5.56, 7.62 and .416 only. LRRP should be very happy to hear this. Thanks for coming in. No problem. I'm interested in the 6.5 version as a potential replacement for the 240/MK48. I know when I was a 240 gunner, I would have sucked miles of dick for a 15lb weapon rather than the 240. Technically, couldn't 6.5 replace the M4, M249, and M240? Probably but I can't see them dumping the 5.56 LSAT now that they've got it perfected. With talks of a carbine it looks like they must have dropped the M4 upper idea and opted for a whole new design instead. I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:46:16 PM EDT
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^ Freedom boner intensifies
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:51:29 PM EDT
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:56:38 PM EDT
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This looks awesome.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:59:40 PM EDT
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From what little I can find about the LSAT online, I think it has the potential to be a damn fine weapon. They say that about all of them. At first.... |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:02:30 PM EDT
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From what little I can find about the LSAT online, I think it has the potential to be a damn fine weapon. They say that about all of them. At first.... XM8
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:04:34 PM EDT
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:08:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:09:21 PM EDT
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Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. Pretty sure it's Textron and AAI. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:10:15 PM EDT
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i have the wierdest boner.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:11:12 PM EDT
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Read more here: http://www.thebayonet.com/2015/05/12/798651/new-light-machine-gun-m249-on.html#storylink=cpy Nice! They brought back Bakelite. 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:30:36 PM EDT
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Nice! They brought back Bakelite.
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I'd like more info on the 6.5 version. It's in his right hand (bottom of pic). http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/c/images/2015/05/06/392992/size0.jpg Cased Telescoped ammo. As for the rounds, program engineers designed new ones that are cased in a plastic-like substance, replacing the brass cartridges. This, she said, has resulted in a 39-percent reduction of ammo weight.
Read more here: http://www.thebayonet.com/2015/05/12/798651/new-light-machine-gun-m249-on.html#storylink=cpy http://www.pica.army.mil/PicatinnyPublic/news/images/highlights/2010/caseless_ammo_web.jpg Nice! They brought back Bakelite.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:32:14 PM EDT
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yea,that puts a crimp in my longterm reloading goals
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:48:58 PM EDT
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Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:53:18 PM EDT
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It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. We may be running full LSAT weapons long before that if it is as close to fielding as you think. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 8:54:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:05:45 PM EDT
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. We may be running full LSAT weapons long before that if it is as close to fielding as you think. I think it'll still be a while. Probably 5-10 years before the LMG gets adopted and fully integrated. They'll probably figure out the other directions they want to go during that time and will take another 10 years to develop and integrate those systems. It'll take a while, but this is the replacement for current metallic cartridges. This is what we'll have until battery tech matures to the point of making man-portable laser or railguns possible. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:07:45 PM EDT
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It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. I agree. It would be foolish to keep this tech out of the consumer market. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:10:40 PM EDT
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. I agree. It would be foolish to keep this tech out of the consumer market. Even if they actively try to keep it out, after the patent expires it's free game correct? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:16:20 PM EDT
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. I agree. It would be foolish to keep this tech out of the consumer market. Even if they actively try to keep it out, after the patent expires it's free game correct? Should be. When did this stuff get patented anyways? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:18:26 PM EDT
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. I agree. It would be foolish to keep this tech out of the consumer market. Even if they actively try to keep it out, after the patent expires it's free game correct? I think so. Unless congress bans the technology for commercial use. More importantly Gamers and commercial users would do more to quickly stream line the ammunition and weapons then R&D and the pentagon ever could. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:33:12 PM EDT
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I read the other thread as well, have a question for any engineering whizzes:
I would imagine that you COULD use some metallic reloadable case in place of the polymer one shots. Yes the weight comes back up and the chamber now gets hot, but it could be done so you could reload for one of these guns, no? |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:43:50 PM EDT
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I read the other thread as well, have a question for any engineering whizzes: I would imagine that you COULD use some metallic reloadable case in place of the polymer one shots. Yes the weight comes back up and the chamber now gets hot, but it could be done so you could reload for one of these guns, no? The different behavoir of the case material could be a problem. A given metallic case might "stick" more than this particular case. Also its expansion/contraction behavior will be different. It might be possible to work it out, though. One thing, however: If the plastic cases are cheap enough (and they could be), why reload at all? If you want to tailor loads for accuracy, use a virgin disposable case. Some could even be made with better traits for "match" ammo. The real concern to me is finding out what they have done with the propellant, and if that is going to be out of reach for home loading... |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:45:53 PM EDT
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I could live with a 5.56 LSAT LMG and Carbine, with a 6.5 M240 replacement. Would love to see a precision battle rifle running LSAT. Once this goes live the sky's the limit on gun designs. Yep, I've stated all along that this technology won't reach it's potential until it hits the civilian market. Right now it's one small group of engineers making the decisions, once it hits the market, we'll have every company and the home tinkerers building all kinds of shit. Personally, I want a 7.62 version that'll push a 220gr projectile out at 3,250fps in a 5lb bolt rifle. Proof Research barrel and some other light weight goodies. Mountain elk rifle from the gods Not likely. Who owns the Intelectual Property? Whoever owns it, is the sole provider of the technology for 21 years. If it's the Government, they will not offer it to the civilian side. It's AAI. It might take 21 years, but it'll get here eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if an ammo/weapon company made their own version and tweaked it enough to get around any copyright issues. Either way, the real innovation won't happen until it gets into civilian hands. I agree. It would be foolish to keep this tech out of the consumer market. Even if they actively try to keep it out, after the patent expires it's free game correct? Yeah, 21 years later...
If the patents are all privately held (not Govt), then they might get licensed commercially. But if the Government has ANY stake in the IP, I could see them refusing any commercial licensing. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 10:02:45 PM EDT
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***snip*** Pros- unbelievably light, even with optics, lasers, grips, WMLs, can and ammo. Select fire is a great option for CQB/MOUT. Shorter than the 249, also less bulky and unwieldy. It's easy to fire off the shoulder like a rifle. It has a fast rate of fire, and the recoil impulse is actually slightly forward and down instead of up and to the rear. This makes keeping it on target at long range very easy. Super reliable, even with blanks. The ammo uses standard 5.56 projectiles, but actually has a flatter trajectory than normal. At 350 meters we used the 200 meter hash mark on the ACOG to make hits. It doesn't overheat unless you fire a fuckton of ammo due to the polymer cases not being nearly as conductive as brass cased ammo. ***snip*** Meh. I'd be ok with that, but I'm just as happy with it being 5.56 with that extra bit of oomph. Other calibers will come once the concept has matured and hit the mainstream. what kind of velocities were you guys seeing w/ the 5.56 there? extending out to 350 meters the drop you normally see at 200 meters, means that there was a good increase in scoot behind that bullet. 
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Posted: 5/13/2015 10:06:39 PM EDT
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***snip*** Pros- unbelievably light, even with optics, lasers, grips, WMLs, can and ammo. Select fire is a great option for CQB/MOUT. Shorter than the 249, also less bulky and unwieldy. It's easy to fire off the shoulder like a rifle. It has a fast rate of fire, and the recoil impulse is actually slightly forward and down instead of up and to the rear. This makes keeping it on target at long range very easy. Super reliable, even with blanks. The ammo uses standard 5.56 projectiles, but actually has a flatter trajectory than normal. At 350 meters we used the 200 meter hash mark on the ACOG to make hits. It doesn't overheat unless you fire a fuckton of ammo due to the polymer cases not being nearly as conductive as brass cased ammo. ***snip*** Meh. I'd be ok with that, but I'm just as happy with it being 5.56 with that extra bit of oomph. Other calibers will come once the concept has matured and hit the mainstream. what kind of velocities were you guys seeing w/ the 5.56 there? extending out to 350 meters the drop you normally see at 200 meters, means that there was a good increase in scoot behind that bullet. Could also be a height over bore difference messing with the BDC. |
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