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RIF "LEGALLY-BINDING....." A correctly-drafted non-compete/non-solicitation/non-disclosure agreement that comports with that state's statutes and case law will be upheld. And that requires business owners to spend some $$ on an attorney who does that type of work as his bread-and-butter, not their DUI guy. View Quote |
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... The whole point of this is that OP thinks he's superior to the guy that worked hard for him for 5 years because of age, and to that I say OP is mistaken. View Quote That is a juvenile and immature attitude, and a piss-poor negotiation strategy. A great many managers would fire a person for it just because of the outrage. A smart guy SELLS his boss on why he's worth a raise. "Or I will quit" should be the last of several cards to play, not the first and only. You guys who say OP failed because he refused to counter-offer must have missed OP's subsequent post in which he confirms there was no negotiation, just a "gimme a raise or I quit!" maneuver. The employee is the FAIL here because instead of simply leaving for a new job, he/she now has a termination on their employment history. It is nearly always better to quit than to be fired (unless you are a cop with a powerful union backing you up). |
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WTF is wrong with these kids??? View Quote In their minds you owe them. And yes, they'd rather be jobless vs working for what they want. |
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57k a year is more than fair for a typical customer service position. View Quote Most of the 'customer service' jobs I see pay about $12.00 - $15.00 an hour to start. The OP's guy was making twice that wage...and wanted 3 times that wage. |
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No, OP (and many of us here) are shaking their head that an employee would DEMAND a raise without making a case for it "or else I quit!!!" That is a juvenile and immature attitude, and a piss-poor negotiation strategy. A great many managers would fire a person for it just because of the outrage. A smart guy SELLS his boss on why he's worth a raise. "Or I will quit" should be the last of several cards to play, not the first and only. You guys who say OP failed because he refused to counter-offer must have missed OP's subsequent post in which he confirms there was no negotiation, just a "gimme a raise or I quit!" maneuver. The employee is the FAIL here because instead of simply leaving for a new job, he/she now has a termination on their employment history. It is nearly always better to quit than to be fired (unless you are a cop with a powerful union backing you up). View Quote |
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As others said, the guy surely had something else lined up.
If he didn't have anything else lined up, he is an idiot and you don't want him working for you anyhow. |
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Sounds to me like someone was offered a job elsewhere for $75,000.
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No, OP (and many of us here) are shaking their head that an employee would DEMAND a raise without making a case for it "or else I quit!!!" That is a juvenile and immature attitude, and a piss-poor negotiation strategy. A great many managers would fire a person for it just because of the outrage. A smart guy SELLS his boss on why he's worth a raise. "Or I will quit" should be the last of several cards to play, not the first and only. You guys who say OP failed because he refused to counter-offer must have missed OP's subsequent post in which he confirms there was no negotiation, just a "gimme a raise or I quit!" maneuver. The employee is the FAIL here because instead of simply leaving for a new job, he/she now has a termination on their employment history. It is nearly always better to quit than to be fired (unless you are a cop with a powerful union backing you up). View Quote |
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to clarify, i did not terminate the employees but rather accepted their notice instead of offering any raise. View Quote OK then I rescind my part about having a termination on their record. OP next time please record this on your smartphone (horizontally, not vertically) and post it here so we can get the straight scoop. |
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Millennial checking in here I think? Aged 22, I've been at my current job for 5 years. We've gone through a ton of people since I've been there. Had 2 kids younger than me quit, one of which was caused because he got asked to sweep the floor. View Quote |
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That's about $27.62 hr near as I can figure. 75k figures out @ $36.33 hr. Most of the 'customer service' jobs I see pay about $12.00 - $15.00 an hour to start. The OP's guy was making twice that wage...and wanted 3 times that wage. View Quote |
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Here's the thing now days. One of the easiest ways to get substantial raises is to leave and go somewhere else. With 401k's you can take them with you so usually no loss there.
Many employers want to give 1-3% raises if any at all for basically the rest of your career. I have seen many that will promote and barely give you a raise or make you salary and have you work more hours. Due to HR, whiney bitches or unions employers usually have a hard time keeping employees who are leaving to get a large raise somewhere else. If you ask me, assuming this employee is leaving to make 75k somewhere else he would be crazy to not leave. |
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No, I was showing that this assumption the millennial worker needed him was bold and stupid. There are plenty of us working hard and making good money. Beyond that those reference charts aren't great because different industries call things different things. In some industries I would be called an account manager, in other a data analyst, and some others a material manager, or solutions engineer. My actual job is standing up RFID tracking systems for high value items and establishing the physical hardware (gate readers, scanners, vehicle mounted readers) then monitoring the data over months to calculate cost savings analysis, and continuing support needs. Not a lot of "logistics coordinators" do anything like this. There aren't a lot of people than can do my job and I'm compensated as such. The whole point of this is that OP thinks he's superior to the guy that worked hard for him for 5 years because of age, and to that I say OP is mistaken. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Spent plenty of time in the middle east working for Uncle Sam, no thanks. I only make mid 70s but I sleep in my own bed next to my sexy wife nearly every night. When I do work out of town, I'm still just a couple hour drive from home. The experience I get here will be no different than what I would receive overseas, so no, I'm not willing to be away from home for an extended period of time for some more money. It if works for you that's great but it's not for me. And let's be real, you were trying to show off and your income situation is anything but typical for your field. Beyond that those reference charts aren't great because different industries call things different things. In some industries I would be called an account manager, in other a data analyst, and some others a material manager, or solutions engineer. My actual job is standing up RFID tracking systems for high value items and establishing the physical hardware (gate readers, scanners, vehicle mounted readers) then monitoring the data over months to calculate cost savings analysis, and continuing support needs. Not a lot of "logistics coordinators" do anything like this. There aren't a lot of people than can do my job and I'm compensated as such. The whole point of this is that OP thinks he's superior to the guy that worked hard for him for 5 years because of age, and to that I say OP is mistaken. Are there hard working millennials out there? Sure, but IME they don't outnumber the entitled, safe space drama queens. |
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I would think it possible that you don't have the option of paying the 75k in any case.
The pay scheme you describe in the OP is that of a non-exempt employee. If you pay him a flat 75k, you have turned him into an exempt employee. I suppose it's possible that you carried him as an exempt employee, yet still paid him overtime. In the business I am in, that right there would be extremely rare. |
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Username merchant of freedom. Guy got a better offer somewhere else. Asked to have it matched. Got denied. Used his freedom to walk out the door. OP calls him crazy. Sounds like the employee did the right thing. Companies are not loyal to their good employees, what do you expect? View Quote I've been in that spot twice in my career and both times I came right out and said I had a better offer paying X amount more. If you can't match it I'm out. In one case I was 99.9999% sure they wouldn't match. In the other I was 100% certain I wouldn't stay even if they did match. Look at it this way. You walk up to your boss and say "I want 31% more money to do the same amount of work" where is the incentive? More money for the same product? Sounds like a good deal to me . On the other hand if you say "I have an offer from another company paying me 31% more. I'm willing to stay here if you can match that increase." you change the conversation. The boss has to think that if it is the same job he might be way behind the compensation curve and has to worry about retention. Or if it is for a different position he has to think that if you're worth that much more to someone else he might have overlooked some potential in you. Or he might just tell you thanks but no thanks and to clear your desk out but at least its a better start than "give me more money or else". |
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i get plenty of those too. I plan to automate most of their duties over the course of the next 2 years. View Quote In the 13 subsequent weeks he has work all five days in the week exactly.....ONE time. Once .... 5 out of the 13 weeks he has only worked 3 days. I have no idea why he hasn't been fired yet. ETA: He didn't show up today either... |
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Agreed but I don't understand the reasoning behind the demand. If you got a better offer then say you got a better offer. Why make the ultimatum? I've been in that spot twice in my career and both times I came right out and said I had a better offer paying X amount more. If you can't match it I'm out. In one case I was 99.9999% sure they wouldn't match. In the other I was 100% certain I wouldn't stay even if they did match. Look at it this way. You walk up to your boss and say "I want 31% more money to do the same amount of work" where is the incentive? More money for the same product? Sounds like a good deal to me . On the other hand if you say "I have an offer from another company paying me 31% more. I'm willing to stay here if you can match that increase." you change the conversation. The boss has to think that if it is the same job he might be way behind the compensation curve and has to worry about retention. Or if it is for a different position he has to think that if you're worth that much more to someone else he might have overlooked some potential in you. Or he might just tell you thanks but no thanks and to clear your desk out but at least its a better start than "give me more money or else". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Username merchant of freedom. Guy got a better offer somewhere else. Asked to have it matched. Got denied. Used his freedom to walk out the door. OP calls him crazy. Sounds like the employee did the right thing. Companies are not loyal to their good employees, what do you expect? I've been in that spot twice in my career and both times I came right out and said I had a better offer paying X amount more. If you can't match it I'm out. In one case I was 99.9999% sure they wouldn't match. In the other I was 100% certain I wouldn't stay even if they did match. Look at it this way. You walk up to your boss and say "I want 31% more money to do the same amount of work" where is the incentive? More money for the same product? Sounds like a good deal to me . On the other hand if you say "I have an offer from another company paying me 31% more. I'm willing to stay here if you can match that increase." you change the conversation. The boss has to think that if it is the same job he might be way behind the compensation curve and has to worry about retention. Or if it is for a different position he has to think that if you're worth that much more to someone else he might have overlooked some potential in you. Or he might just tell you thanks but no thanks and to clear your desk out but at least its a better start than "give me more money or else". Ive even told my guys who were topped out " Bring me a offer and I'll bring it to the bean counters " |
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75k for a customer service rep I'm a software developer and have over 10 yrs experience and I make 83k/yr. That's crazy stuff there. I'm a millennial too. View Quote |
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Im a "millennial"... Everytime I have left a job it has been after trying to improve quality or products or quality of life while working there.
When it is clear that poor management and poor quality are acceptable to the company I have looked my supervisor in the face and said "Im sick of this, Im finding a new job" They have always seemed surprised when I pack up my stuff to leave, and generally try to offer me more money or tell me they are working on the problems I brought up six months/ a year ago... Millennial employees are as crazy as boomer bosses are foolish... |
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Im a "millennial"... Everytime I have left a job it has been after trying to improve quality or products or quality of life while working there. When it is clear that poor management and poor quality are acceptable to the company I have looked my supervisor in the face and said "Im sick of this, Im finding a new job" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Im a "millennial"... Everytime I have left a job it has been after trying to improve quality or products or quality of life while working there. When it is clear that poor management and poor quality are acceptable to the company I have looked my supervisor in the face and said "Im sick of this, Im finding a new job" They have always seemed surprised when I pack up my stuff to leave, and generally try to offer me more money or tell me they are working on the problems I brought up six months/ a year ago... |
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We have an anecdote suggesting that at least one Millenial employee is crazy, though only in his manner of approach, not in overall reasoning (in my opinion).
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Customer Service Rep 5 years working for the company Good at their job, liked by customers. Came to me last week demanding $75,000 salary. This person made $57k last year in wages, overtime and bonus, not including 401k match and profit sharing. Unfortunately for this millennial, I already thought the position was WAY overpaid and this person is now without a job. *edit to clarify the person resigned because they did not receive the raise* WTF is wrong with these kids??? View Quote $75k? |
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I don't see the problem. Worker came in with a value of his self-worth. Employer disagreed. Worker left. If worker has another job at to near 75k, he was right. If he's still unemployed, worker is wrong. If he's employed between 57 and 60 or so, it's a draw. It's just the free market at work.
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Our first year apprentices make $28.26 an hour. $36.73 is third year wages. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That's about $27.62 hr near as I can figure. 75k figures out @ $36.33 hr. Most of the 'customer service' jobs I see pay about $12.00 - $15.00 an hour to start. The OP's guy was making twice that wage...and wanted 3 times that wage. |
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Username merchant of freedom. Guy got a better offer somewhere else. Asked to have it matched. Got denied. Used his freedom to walk out the door. OP calls him crazy. Sounds like the employee did the right thing. Companies are not loyal to their good employees, what do you expect? View Quote Plenty of threads here with an OP in a similar situation - having an offer at a new place of employment for higher wage but not wanting to leave current place. But yeah..."Millennials" |
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I knew a guy who got hired to do a job for over $25/hour in the 1980s (which was damn good money for an entry-level blue-collar guy back then). In his first week, they handed him a broom and told him to sweep the floors. He did it quite well with no complaints. When they later asked why he didn't bitch, he said: "Hell, for $25/hour, I'll sweep all damn day!" View Quote |
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This millenial won't even get out of bed for 75k salary. I'm 33, have ten years of experience, and my current title is "Senior Software Developer". Glassdoor.com says the average salary for those credentials is $120k. Not bad for a lazy Millennial, eh? |
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View Quote A few years ago I was in a very specialized field, I was pushing hard for efficiency and uniform process. After 6 months of showing up early every day and working off the clock I finally told my boss I was done and I was looking for a new job, if he was going to run the job the way he was running it I had better shit to do with my life and I was going fishing (that day). Unsafe, shorting employees pay/changing schedules last minute on a regular basis, some really fucked up things I cant get into (one of the lead engineers told me efficiency wasnt a concern and one of the head managers told me as long as we hit our schedule nothing else mattered when I brought up issues with safety, quality, and training). I was already paid 15% more than most of the guys in the same position, and they gave me a promotion with a ~6% raise when I told them I was looking for a new job. The raise came the day before I got another job offer, I ended up using it to get another dollar and some change over my new rate... boss was still surprised when I walked into the office and said "I told you I have better shit to do with my life" and told him I had accepted a new job and would be starting in 2 weeks. (They ended up offering me another promotion with a 12% raise on top of the 6% they already gave me to come back. I declined) I want to support my company and my teammates, but at the end of the day I need to look out for me. If I don't feel safe, or feel like what I am doing is a lost cause I will eject and find something else to do. I have no debt, and a lifestyle that's below my income. The one time I felt I may HAVE to find a new job, I found one on the way home from work that day, making close to the same wage as I was making. (ended up not needing it) In this day there are a dozen companies (hundreds or thousands if you dont mind moving) doing the same work offering the same wage or more. Ive never worked for a paycheck, Ive always worked for a leader. If you have an issue keeping GOOD employees, look at your first line supervisors and managers... (not at OP, just in general) |
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My p/tjob at the local gun shop pays $10/ hr for me to answer phones and emails. That is Like nothing to me considering my pension and SS., but it is fun.
most of the staff is retired military or police like me. We try to hire only same, same gunnies. We made the mistake of giving a job to guys nephew, 22, never worked anything but fast food. We gave hin $15/ hr he was so happy - until the second week when We chewed his ass for calling in on his saturday, seems he was hung over. Got so butt hurt he threatened to quit. His uncle went nuts and told the ungrateful fuck he was fired for insubordination. |
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I'll bite. I'm 33, have ten years of experience, and my current title is "Senior Software Developer". Glassdoor.com says the average salary for those credentials is $120k. Not bad for a lazy Millennial, eh? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This millenial won't even get out of bed for 75k salary. I'm 33, have ten years of experience, and my current title is "Senior Software Developer". Glassdoor.com says the average salary for those credentials is $120k. Not bad for a lazy Millennial, eh? I do a little better than that (born in '79) as a Senior Network Engineer (mostly Cisco voice these days) with 19 years in the industry. There are younger dudes a LOT more motivated than me pulling down $150k+. They usually work for a carrier (or somebody else suitably massive), have at least one CCIE to their name, and will have the word "Architect" somewhere in their title. Or they're on a 1099 and just hop from one consulting gig to the other. |
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MY funniest millenial employee story is when one new guy got in a car accident, and was laid up for a few days. His mom showed up in my office, and asked if there was any work he could do at home.
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What do you charge per hour for his time? i didn't get a raise the last 12 years of my job. They claimed that we were over paid but they had no problem charging $285/hour for our time. During those 12 years they raised their service rate by almost $100/hour. People were leaving left and right getting $20,000 per year more. My boss said that they were having to put up with the same BS where they were going. I replied yes, but they are getting paid $20,000 more per year to put up with it.
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I'll bite. I'm 33, have ten years of experience, and my current title is "Senior Software Developer". Glassdoor.com says the average salary for those credentials is $120k. Not bad for a lazy Millennial, eh? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This millenial won't even get out of bed for 75k salary. I'm 33, have ten years of experience, and my current title is "Senior Software Developer". Glassdoor.com says the average salary for those credentials is $120k. Not bad for a lazy Millennial, eh? |
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The best part about old fucks broad-brushing millennials is that they claim millennials are bitches but they raised them, and now they bitch and whine until they're red in the second chin about the whiny children they raised.
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This millenial won't even get out of bed for 75k salary. I'm 33, have ten years of experience, and my current title is "Senior Software Developer". Glassdoor.com says the average salary for those credentials is $120k. Not bad for a lazy Millennial, eh? Since then I've taken jobs of increasing responsibility and compensation at an academic non-profit, a political advocacy startup, and I'm currently at a small healthcare company. |
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Our latest batch of "professionals" are unable to think their way out of a paper bag. Whenever we usually come across a problem our rather small department of misfits and miscreants call around and get someone who can help ASAP. Everyone knows you can dick around as much as you want, but the work gets done and the bosses don't get called or we need to go through more bullshit training and "read and signs". Well our new batch of retards think the best answer to every problem is "I don't know, I was never told how to do it." First, your professional license has it stated that YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. So your incompetent at your licensed profession. Second, your too dumb to call around for a senior staff member to come give you a hand. So in the past 6 months we have lost some professional responsibility which makes us all look like assholes AND have had to do different training sessions every week.
The only thing that defends them is the fact that the employer hasn't realized they either get people who stay for the diminishing benefit packages (which have been 1-upped by a competing employer who is looking to expand so we lost 4 people already), or stay for the security of being in a senior tenured position. Poor pay has guaranteed that the cream of the crop no longer apply to our facility. |
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No, OP (and many of us here) are shaking their head that an employee would DEMAND a raise without making a case for it "or else I quit!!!" That is a juvenile and immature attitude, and a piss-poor negotiation strategy. A great many managers would fire a person for it just because of the outrage. A smart guy SELLS his boss on why he's worth a raise. "Or I will quit" should be the last of several cards to play, not the first and only. You guys who say OP failed because he refused to counter-offer must have missed OP's subsequent post in which he confirms there was no negotiation, just a "gimme a raise or I quit!" maneuver. The employee is the FAIL here because instead of simply leaving for a new job, he/she now has a termination on their employment history. It is nearly always better to quit than to be fired (unless you are a cop with a powerful union backing you up). View Quote On the other hand, anyone who works in a place where they think they'll be fired over asking for a raise... they should quit anyway. I'm 32, and manage a lot of millennials. While their motivations occasionally frustrate me (they're less likely to be motivated by money in my experience), its no worse than the bullshit from older generations, just different. |
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Maybe it's because I'm in that weird no-man's land between Gen-X and Z (or millennial, or whatever), but this doesn't sound crazy to me. It sounds like they already had another gig lined up, and figured they'd do you the favor of letting you match the salary. You didn't, they split, you're both happy. What am I missing? None of this sounds CRAZY to me. View Quote |
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http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Logistics_Coordinator/Salary https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/logistics-coordinator-salary-SRCH_KO0,21_SDAS.htm $75,000 is way above average in your field for the nation... So good for you for getting a shit ton of money in your field. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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LOL. And what do you do for a living money bags? https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/logistics-coordinator-salary-SRCH_KO0,21_SDAS.htm $75,000 is way above average in your field for the nation... So good for you for getting a shit ton of money in your field. |
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This millenial won't even get out of bed for 75k salary. My core competencies are in large-scale traditional networks, and lately in emerging use cases for SDN technologies, but have a primary focus on Contrail/OpenContrail in that scene. I have dabbled in ACI, though but that product is largely still non-functional in mixed networks so I didn't retain much I have solid Linux system administration skills, can work my way around most any kind of Unix-based environment, and have the ability to work through most all the aspects of a production cloud, either public or private. In the past I have mixed in my social accumen and interpersonal skills to resolve company image and relationship issues where others have failed, smoothing things over as a technical on-site punching bag so the service contracts survive. I also piloted the direction that the whole company now moves in as part of the original skunkworks team created to find a way to leverage our knowledge and come to market with something to compete with AWS and Azure. I fall well within the range of typical salaries for my skills, which is around the 80-140k range. This is what Amazon, Rackspace, Redhat, Microsoft, Proofpoint, and others would tend to pay for someone with my skills or skills adjusted for greater competencies in other areas. That all being said, I am far from the smartest Millennial I know in IT, I have a lot to learn in the field and trade, and am far from the highest-paid Millennial in this field. I have personal friends and coworkers that are so far and away better than I in these areas that they make me consider taking up a job cutting trees down instead. Is that a sufficient resume and justification for you? |
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Spent plenty of time in the middle east working for Uncle Sam, no thanks. I only make mid 70s but I sleep in my own bed next to my sexy wife nearly every night. When I do work out of town, I'm still just a couple hour drive from home. The experience I get here will be no different than what I would receive overseas, so no, I'm not willing to be away from home for an extended period of time for some more money. It if works for you that's great but it's not for me. And let's be real, you were trying to show off and your income situation is anything but typical for your field. Beyond that those reference charts aren't great because different industries call things different things. In some industries I would be called an account manager, in other a data analyst, and some others a material manager, or solutions engineer. My actual job is standing up RFID tracking systems for high value items and establishing the physical hardware (gate readers, scanners, vehicle mounted readers) then monitoring the data over months to calculate cost savings analysis, and continuing support needs. Not a lot of "logistics coordinators" do anything like this. There aren't a lot of people than can do my job and I'm compensated as such. The whole point of this is that OP thinks he's superior to the guy that worked hard for him for 5 years because of age, and to that I say OP is mistaken. Are there hard working millennials out there? Sure, but IME they don't outnumber the entitled, safe space drama queens. |
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75k for a customer service rep I'm a software developer and have over 10 yrs experience and I make 83k/yr. That's crazy stuff there. I'm a millennial too. View Quote |
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I'm a cop with over 25 years experience and a fuck ton of specialized training. I make less than that guy did before he asked for a raise. View Quote Henderson, NV is starting their officers at about 60k. They're hiring a bunch. I know, I applied and have my physical test in the morning |
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I'm a millennial POS and I'm a big shot with a huge dong and live in a mansion....Gimme a break
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