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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:07:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He was and he paid dearly for that mistake, however I worked with, led, and served with a lot of other good people as well. Would that have happened 20 or even 10 years ago though? There seems to be a trend not seen since the Vietnam War when Navy ships had race riots break out that made the ships combat ineffective. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:08:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, nobody joins the military to represent retards in congress, or retards in the White House for that matter. You ever read an oath of enlistment or oath of office? I would not let my kids be cannon fodder for this group of corrupt hacks, Im sorry. I have always been a flag waver, im not anymore. The left has hollowed out this country and its supporters are not worth a single drop of my childrens blood. We are Rome in 300-400 AD . Sad to say |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:08:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can take a (probably unpopular) stab at that. Most of the major shifts I've seen in the last 18 years have been good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Over the course of your career I'm willing to bet in the last decade you've seen a severe shift/change from the way things were to the way they are now, have you not? I can take a (probably unpopular) stab at that. Most of the major shifts I've seen in the last 18 years have been good. Same, even though the amount of grabassery and tomfoolery has declined we have it sooo much better than when I first came in |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:08:55 PM EDT
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This month marks the as long out as I was in. My boys are grown and on their own. The elder of my 2 declined 2 service academy appointments. Had we had the conversation, it would have been the difference between command and order and the importance of the oath of office. I like to believe they are of very good conscience and moral character.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:09:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I put in my time back in the day but no way I’d do it in this political climate with this POS as CIC.  This POS will be gone soon. I had to deal with Nixon resigning and Ford moving into the Whitehouse in the 1970's. I then had to put up with Bill clintoon when he was the president. Joe will be gone soon enough and the next president has the opportunity to repair the damage. kwg |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:10:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would that have happened 20 or even 10 years ago though? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He was and he paid dearly for that mistake, however I worked with, led, and served with a lot of other good people as well. Would that have happened 20 or even 10 years ago though? He and I were one same section from 2012-2015 Kid was kinda odd but he was a nice guy and was super devoted to his gf/later wife |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:10:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same, even though the amount of grabassery and tomfoolery has declined we have it sooo much better than when I first came in Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Over the course of your career I'm willing to bet in the last decade you've seen a severe shift/change from the way things were to the way they are now, have you not? I can take a (probably unpopular) stab at that. Most of the major shifts I've seen in the last 18 years have been good. Same, even though the amount of grabassery and tomfoolery has declined we have it sooo much better than when I first came in Care to explain a little? |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:14:22 PM EDT
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 I guess we all know what stage we are in now. OP is just a reflection of the times. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:18:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to explain a little? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Over the course of your career I'm willing to bet in the last decade you've seen a severe shift/change from the way things were to the way they are now, have you not? I can take a (probably unpopular) stab at that. Most of the major shifts I've seen in the last 18 years have been good. Same, even though the amount of grabassery and tomfoolery has declined we have it sooo much better than when I first came in Care to explain a little? Aircraft Maintenance culture used to have a lot of hazing to it. For better or worse that's all gone now We used to have beers in the Production Supervisors office before going home from Swing Shift on Friday nights. Circa 2007 in Al Udeid I was feeling this Black female Airman's breasts in front of the whole shift while waiting on the bus to take us back to the dorms.... totally consensual but these days Hell No People were "no balled" into whipping their dicks out on the flight line trucks I had Expeditors showing me porn on iPads while I was getting ready to service LOX on a jet We had this one Airman who was a total homophobe on one desert trip who was fat and useless so we would all randomly start dry humping him to piss him off Another kid turned 21 on a Sunday while we were in Guam....he didn't even make it to midnight that Saturday evening before he passed out....all of us NCOs helped him get there. Our Section Chief was furious.....that kid is now a 1stLt All of those days are over now, but our quality of life has gotten better Also the AF is at least trying to fix our suicide issue Plus DADT sucked for a lot of gay/lesbian members.... let's face it when that was repealed quite a few people we knew came out and others we were like "huh, no shit" |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:19:57 PM EDT
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My Dad (former tank commander) felt the same in the late 90s. I went to college instead. But every other generation of men in my family served, going back to the 5th Iowa Cavalry in the Civil War. I sometimes regret not serving.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:20:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But the military does represent America, no? Like it or not, the (leftist) Feds and the shitbags that elect them are America. Maybe then let’s not cede yet another institution to the leftists. I would have served, but…. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:21:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not let my kids be cannon fodder for this group of corrupt hacks, Im sorry. I have always been a flag waver, im not anymore. The left has hollowed out this country and its supporters are not worth a single drop of my childrens blood. We are Rome in 300-400 AD . Sad to say Would you let your kids be cannon fodder in another age? Say WW2, when real Communists in the American government drafted Americans to defend real Communism... Trick question. It's their choice. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:21:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not let my kids be cannon fodder for this group of corrupt hacks, Im sorry. I have always been a flag waver, im not anymore. The left has hollowed out this country and its supporters are not worth a single drop of my childrens blood. We are Rome in 300-400 AD . Sad to say Where do we find such men. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:22:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to explain a little? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Over the course of your career I'm willing to bet in the last decade you've seen a severe shift/change from the way things were to the way they are now, have you not? I can take a (probably unpopular) stab at that. Most of the major shifts I've seen in the last 18 years have been good. Same, even though the amount of grabassery and tomfoolery has declined we have it sooo much better than when I first came in Care to explain a little? We are starting to grow a crop of leaders that actually give a shit about their people. "That's the way we've always done it" is beginning to become a dirty phrase. We're finding that if we treat our people as human beings and empower them to do thier job and do what's right, we get way better results. Not all change has been positive, but I'd much rather be a junior enlisted member today than 18 years ago when I joined |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:22:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Keekleberrys There's other way to serve than .mil  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I almost joined but…. @Keekleberrys There's other way to serve than .mil Such as? |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:23:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Such as? Border Patrol actually protects the country when allowed to. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:24:00 PM EDT
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not for this gubmint and not my kids
…if I have a say so maybe things will change before they are of age |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:24:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are starting to grow a crop of leaders that actually give a shit about their people. "That's the way we've always done it" is beginning to become a dirty phrase. We're finding that if we treat our people as human beings and empower them to do thier job and do what's right, we get way better results. Not all change has been positive, but I'd much rather be a junior enlisted member today than 18 years ago when I joined Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Over the course of your career I'm willing to bet in the last decade you've seen a severe shift/change from the way things were to the way they are now, have you not? I can take a (probably unpopular) stab at that. Most of the major shifts I've seen in the last 18 years have been good. Same, even though the amount of grabassery and tomfoolery has declined we have it sooo much better than when I first came in Care to explain a little? We are starting to grow a crop of leaders that actually give a shit about their people. "That's the way we've always done it" is beginning to become a dirty phrase. We're finding that if we treat our people as human beings and empower them to do thier job and do what's right, we get way better results. Not all change has been positive, but I'd much rather be a junior enlisted member today than 18 years ago when I joined Exactly back then was fun at times, but we were also treated like straight shit too...."shut up and color" A1C me was more afraid of the SrA then the NCOs.....the NCOs wouldn't beat you These kids definitely have it better in that regard |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:26:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Muhahahahaha wtf?. Nobody's standing a post on the wall. There's not even a fucking wall. The invaders are coming in by the millions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't worry Pops, somebody will stand that post on the wall so you can sleep like a bug in a rug. Muhahahahaha wtf?. Nobody's standing a post on the wall. There's not even a fucking wall. The invaders are coming in by the millions. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are starting to grow a crop of leaders that actually give a shit about their people. "That's the way we've always done it" is beginning to become a dirty phrase. We're finding that if we treat our people as human beings and empower them to do thier job and do what's right, we get way better results. Not all change has been positive, but I'd much rather be a junior enlisted member today than 18 years ago when I joined That's interesting and encouraging. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:27:16 PM EDT
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Half or more of the population already don't like you or your kids. Plan accordingly.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:28:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://pics.me.me/turning-point-usa-hard-times-create-strongmen-strong-men-create-20989056.png I guess we all know what stage we are in now. OP is just a reflection of the times. We're not in the last stage yet. I think the OP meant was our current .gov is weakening this country by any and all means so why would you encourage your child to feed that beast? Especially the track record of the last decade. Again , no disrespect towards any .mil members posting here. This is a conversation. The National Anthem used to mean something...... The Pledge of Allegiance used to mean something....... The Constitution (and the oath taken to defend it) used to mean something..... |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:30:35 PM EDT
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A very good man once told me that while it was noble to want to serve your country, there are some and more importantly some who give the orders who don’t deserve the sacrifice.
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:31:47 PM EDT
[#24]
If the right surrenders their last bastion of power, the military, they have everything they need to make an attempt to consolidate power. The left likely already owns the leadership of .mil and they are doing what they can to discourage new right wing recruits, and to root out existing undesirables.
People on the right need to go into the belly of the beasts and quietly work their way into positions of power and fight and resist from the inside. A good patriot on the inside is worth a hundred on the outside. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:33:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the right surrenders their last bastion of power, the military, they have everything they need to make an attempt to consolidate power. The left likely already owns the leadership of .mil and they are doing what they can to discourage new right wing recruits, and to root out existing undesirables. People on the right need to go into the belly of the beasts and quietly work their way into positions of power and fight and resist from the inside. A good patriot on the inside is worth a hundred on the outside. That’s thinking ahead we don’t do that here |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:35:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If the right surrenders their last bastion of power, the military, they have everything they need to make an attempt to consolidate power. The left likely already owns the leadership of .mil and they are doing what they can to discourage new right wing recruits, and to root out existing undesirables. People on the right need to go into the belly of the beasts and quietly work their way into positions of power and fight and resist from the inside. A good patriot on the inside is worth a hundred on the outside. Fair-weather patriotism is much easier though. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:36:14 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Such as? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I almost joined but…. @Keekleberrys There's other way to serve than .mil Such as? @Keekleberrys You think you have to go overseas to serve your country/community? You actually leaving your town and going to another country rather than serving your neighbors gives you entitlement to belittle others? You're what's wrong with this country, but thank you for your service...... I guess. IM me your address and I'll gift you some Black Rifle Coffee, pinky swear. 
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:37:59 PM EDT
[#28]
Bless your heart, I served. Dad served, granddads and uncles served.
Son goes to recruiter on Friday... Can't pick and choose what admin you serve under. Put that aside |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:39:11 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody gives a shit about you or your kids Is cervix needs thanking... |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:39:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:42:03 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryCredit where it's due, Viking man has some moves! 
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:42:25 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Keekleberrys You think you have to go overseas to serve your country/community? You actually leaving your town and going to another country rather than serving your neighbors gives you entitlement to belittle others? You're what's wrong with this country, but thank you for your service...... I guess. IM me your address and I'll gift you some Black Rifle Coffee, pinky swear. ? |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:42:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:44:04 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: I did not serve in the military. I always told myself that when I had children, I would present military service as a realistic option after high school, as opposed to only college, as my parents did. Now my children are entering middle school. Sad to say, but I have to go back on that earlier conviction. I would never encourage my own to enter the military for this country. I won't tell them they can't, which would be silly, but I will definitely suggest every other option first. The US is absolutely a house divided, and I'd hate the thought of them serving half a population that despises them. I can't be the only one here that has come to a similar decision. I grew up in a military family, it would be a dicey time to join IMO. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:44:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/army-transgender.jpg?quality=85&w=1600 Yep, go off and serve under "her".  That ribbon rack doesn't seem right to me. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:45:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, nobody joins the military to represent retards in congress, or retards in the White House for that matter. You ever read an oath of enlistment or oath of office? Nobody joins to go fight Russians in the most corrupt country on earth in order to save the politician's cash cow either.... |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:45:55 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But, did you get the patch? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/IWouldHave_jpg-2434842.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I almost joined but…. But, did you get the patch? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/IWouldHave_jpg-2434842.JPG It's funny how the .mil guys here shit on others......... Oh wait, it's not 
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:46:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I grew up in a military family, it would be a dicey time to join IMO. Is it really? The benefits have never been better, the deaths in training have never been lower, and there are currently no cohesive world powers that can start a near peer conflict in the next decade with the possible exception of China. The pervasive leftist encroachment civilians are worried about isn't really going to impact someone with enough sense to shut up and play the game for four years. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:47:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @ Beamy I mean this with all sincerity thank you very much for your service and insight but those days are rapidly changing and coming to an end. Over the course of your career I'm willing to bet in the last decade you've seen a severe shift/change from the way things were to the way they are now, have you not? You're fortunate to be towards the end of your career, I feel bad for the people coming into this shit show which is why I would never encourage anyone to follow the path. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP I say this as someone who's been in coming up on 18yrs......most of us don't necessarily serve to protect people who do or don't support us. We do it for a multitude of reasons. 19yr old me fresh out of high school enlisted to give back to the country that allowed me to have a great upbringing in a small town in central PA during a time of relative prosperity (1990s/early 2000s). Additionally 9/11 had occured 2.5 years before when I was a sophomore in HS and I felt I needed to do my part in my generation's war. I always knew I'd join some branch. Had I not went active AF I was looking at being a weapons troop on Air National Guard A-10s or working on UH-60 Blackhawks for the 28th ID PA National Guard Plus I was a big airplane/gun/and history nerd as well and I figured I might as well join and learn about the .mil from the inside. Where I'm going with all this is that even if the majority of the population is apathetic or hostile to the military it's a still a great life and a neat way to meet people, see the world, and do some pretty cool shit for a living. @ Beamy I mean this with all sincerity thank you very much for your service and insight but those days are rapidly changing and coming to an end. Over the course of your career I'm willing to bet in the last decade you've seen a severe shift/change from the way things were to the way they are now, have you not? You're fortunate to be towards the end of your career, I feel bad for the people coming into this shit show which is why I would never encourage anyone to follow the path. I saw that shift and found it to be quite unbearable. I will not suggest that my son’s serve, ever. If they make that decision I will support it but I won’t be happy about it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:47:07 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny how the .mil guys here shit on others......... Oh wait, it's not Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I almost joined but…. But, did you get the patch? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/IWouldHave_jpg-2434842.JPG It's funny how the .mil guys here shit on others......... Oh wait, it's not You’re chiming in about stuff you know nothing about other than what you were told by someone else. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:53:09 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it really? The benefits have never been better, the deaths in training have never been lower, and there are currently no cohesive world powers that can start a near peer conflict in the next decade with the possible exception of China. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I grew up in a military family, it would be a dicey time to join IMO. Is it really? The benefits have never been better, the deaths in training have never been lower, and there are currently no cohesive world powers that can start a near peer conflict in the next decade with the possible exception of China. Yes by all means sign up and go to some shithole that you'll risk your life to "gentrify" people who fuck goats and beat their women and wipe their hands with their asses right before they shake yours. Do that for 20 years and then your bosses say "fuck it" and you leave, giving all your weapons and equipment to the people that would cut your fucking head off given the chance. But hey.... the benefits, right? |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:55:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes by all means sign up and go to some shithole that you'll risk your life to "gentrify" people who fuck goats and beat their women and wipe their hands with their asses right before they shake yours. Do that for 20 years and then your bosses say "fuck it" and you leave, giving all your weapons and equipment to the people that would cut your fucking head off given the chance. But hey.... the benefits, right? 4 years in a typically non combat MOS isn't going to have any of that risk exposure statistically speaking. The biggest danger in most branches amounts to industrial accidents with heavy equipment. 20 year combat guys are a statistically tiny part of the military. |
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Posted: 6/28/2022 11:59:54 PM EDT
[#43]
The reason WE serve has not changed. The stakes however, are higher and much more convoluted. WE .as in we who have done it not considered it a fleeting fancy.
I do not disagree in the OP's mindset, I do not encourage my nephews and nieces and the hundreds of teenagers I have spoken to since my serve ended on the "why" I would not encourage service today. I, like many others, am clear and transparent on what has changed ..and what has not. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:02:32 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny how the .mil guys here shit on others......... Oh wait, it's not Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I almost joined but…. But, did you get the patch? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/IWouldHave_jpg-2434842.JPG It's funny how the .mil guys here shit on others......... Oh wait, it's not Not really, except for the ones that feel the need to share their "I almost enlisted, but..." stories. Also, you'll find some guys who were combat arms s**t on those who weren't. Guys trash talk. Pro trip: If your skin is that soft, don't share. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:02:57 AM EDT
[#45]
Every generation finds its excuses not to serve.
I'm confident your kids will follow in your footsteps, so you need not worry. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:03:50 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re chiming in about stuff you know nothing about other than what you were told by someone else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I almost joined but…. But, did you get the patch? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/IWouldHave_jpg-2434842.JPG It's funny how the .mil guys here shit on others......... Oh wait, it's not You’re chiming in about stuff you know nothing about other than what you were told by someone else. I'm chiming in on the last 2+ decades of documented military involvement and .gov policies so I'd say that's well documented and I may know about. @Keekleberrys I wasn't in the military and I sincerely mean it when I say thank you for joining. I think the OP's point (and the point of my posts) is that in the current state of our .gov/administration that couldn't give 2 shits about the Constitution that you swore and oath to defend, why would anyone encourage their child to join the military? And yes, There often is a tone of "you didn't join so fuck you" in threads like this and from some of the .mil members here. You sign up to potentially die doing your job. You knew that could happen going into it. Does that make you more special than others? No, it doesn't. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:12:38 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every generation finds its excuses not to serve. I'm confident your kids will follow in your footsteps, so you need not worry. I'll have popcorn with my coke |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:20:33 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every generation finds its excuses not to serve. I'm confident your kids will follow in your footsteps, so you need not worry. @Bohr_Adam This is true, but have you ever seen a climate like the one we're in now? I've been around a little while and I've never been more afraid of the future of this country than now, ever. The vast majority of that is from our .gov incompetence and corruption of our "leaders". Would you encourage the younger generation/ your child to serve something under the control of the current political and bureaucratic incompetence and corruption? This is a good conversation we have going in this thread, really. |
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:21:30 AM EDT
[#49]
I’m proud of my two active duty sons. What we have is still worth serving and defending.
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Posted: 6/29/2022 12:25:34 AM EDT
[#50]
No problem OP. My kids will pick up the slack for your family.
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