OP, democrats spit on Vietnam soldiers when they came back. There will always be those people.

You never did answer the question.

Surrender and hope they let you live I guess? Is this the answer you're looking for?

You're wasting your breath.

His entire knowledge of the world comes from what he's been told or seen on TV.

It's an Idiocracy-styled variant of Plato's cave Allegory, except in this one people can readily leave the cave if they wanted to, but they prefer its warmth and think they know exactly how it all works.

I don’t think I would encourage my kids to do any job that involved working for the government.

My son was offered a 3yr Army ROTC scholarship at Bama.  He was ready to sign when they asked for his FJB poke certificate.  He said he didn't have the vaccine and they asked when he would be getting it.  He told them "I don't plan on it". They told him he couldn't sign without the poke, so he walked.  

FJB and the career politicians that placed him in office

Just about any job serves.   And pays taxes.

I have had major involvement in engineering and building water, wastewater, pharmaceutical, chemical plants and more, all which provide extremely valuable products and services to society.

Military service is only one of a wide range of important services to society.

I would say that at a base level, farming is the most important service to our current society.

Want to serve/give back to your community? Go fire department/EMS, or volunteer with a SAR organization.

Everyone serves!

UNDER “her”?! Needs more Navy uniform.

This nation’s troubles go beyond the current administration. America has already turned into something I don’t recognize.

You mean barracks bunnies?

I like to hope that at some point the Wokeness will swing to other way and level off at some point.  That level will likely still suck.

Whatever that level is hopefully the military will end up less woke than everywhere else like it always has been.

I joined in 94, the paperwork still had the questions related to homosexuality, because of don’t ask don’t tell the recruiter had to line through those questions. It was obvious he wasn’t in agreement with this change. Today recruiting a LGBTQBBQ+\- person probably get you an ARCOM. Lol

When I look back I can’t even imagine my time in the military with LGBTQBBQ soldiers around.

Thank you, this is what I am saying.  Glad to see I'm not the only one.

. Yep!  That is the same thing….

I have no problem at all with the military, they play an important role, but the thank me for my service stuff is pathetic.

I have friends and family that served. Some one enlistment, some their whole career, some decorated heroes. I have never heard any of that crap from them.

Im sorry you got duped into getting involved in a stupid war. Guess I was a little smarter than that.

Very few people "serve" today for their country.  Even though I enlisted less than 1 year after 9/11, the end goal was to develop skills and a job resume for when I got out - which it has tremendously accomplished.

After my 4 year active duty enlistment, the Guard became a way to still enjoy the benefits and lifestyle of being around the military, but not have to deal with the day to day BS and politics.  It became an escape away from your normal civilian job and a break from the day to day duties of the home.

At a minimum, I think the National Guard is a great organization to where so many people in it, don't see it as a place where you have to chase rank or position, but are genuinely there because you just enjoy the community and have a sense of small town America pride, because of the local and state mission active duty doesn't share.

And you're not hearing it from me. What you are hearing from me is that more people from our side join to prevent it becoming a full tool of the left.

Bingo.

Your couch-based assessment is mostly incorrect. BLUF, if your opinion of an institution actively constituting over a million people  is formed from occasionally reading about anecdotes you are part of the easily influenced low information populace that is effectively targeted for just about any information and influence campaign.

The military is not a "lost institution" by any means. If you had served and actually experienced any of the things you are pontificating about personally, you would understand that the military is a reflection of society in general, however it is still solidly skewed in a few specific demographics.  Of course the left wants to change that, and cannot execute this plan without being allowed to do so by the demographics that currently occupy most of the military.  Changing your opinion personally doesn't really matter, as we have determined by your long term posting here that you don't have the right stuff for the military anyway. But your incessant public amplification of their agenda without any functional understanding of reality is exactly part of that plan...convincing society as a whole the military is lost as a warfighting institution even when it's not thereby invalidating a large institution that is traditionally conservative.

This country operates in four year cycles.  This means we can rapidly and absurdly pivot in multiple directions, but it also means that very little is able to make long term institutional change.  This is by design.  Anybody can show up and mandate whatever they want, even to the degree of requiring the annual classes or online training the low information poster regularly rages over.  However, if you assume that mechanisms like this actually affect institutional change you should take a hard look in the mirror and understand that you are a member of the low information target audience of what is essentially an offensive information campaign.

Meanwhile, myself and my peers just chug along not only gaining visibility on how this machine works, but helping to keep it grounded towards it's actual intent. It doesn't hurt that we also train regularly on a professional level towards things that you complainers spend hours online trying to copy.  Coming from a fairly long term insider i'd say there's still plenty of reasons to join the military. It's odd that the things you guys whine about consistently as the current state of military affairs exist only in my remote periphery, if at all.

The Marine Corp was the best thing I ever did. Hell, Iraq didn't even get to me as bad as when I got out and made 5$ an hour working in a shithole factory. I was working in a rubber mill and thought I was a fucking retard being there and went to re-enlist but I'd been arrested for fighting a couple  times needed waiver for the Army. I ended up shortly after going to school so meh. Two of my brothers are retired from the Navy and doing well. Three of my sons served in the army/airforce my wife served in the Army, come to think of it, almost all of the men in my family served.

My father tried to dissuade me from joining because he came back from Vietnam fucking coo coo for cocoa puffs and did not want me going to war. My father was a fucking animal for YEARS and beat me senseless through my youth....so needless to say I did not listen. It allowed me to see and do things I probably would have not done otherwise.

I say keep your personal bias out of it and support your children IF they want to join. The only persuasion  I used was my oldest wanted to be like dad and go Marines but the Army offered a much better situation/bonus and he went intel with a gentle push from me. My other sons needed no such guidance and knew exactly what they wanted to do.

The only thing I don't like is when someone thanks me for my service and my only response is...no thanks needed I volunteered. But that is on me I suppose since I'm almost always wearing a Marine Corp hat or someone sees my USMC tattoo. My son on the other hand eats that shit up and I don't know why it bothers me but it does.

It's hard to influence an organization from the outside.

Half of the country doesn’t hate the military. Just OP.

I sincerely wish you luck.

I hate to break it to you, but they were around when you served.

I thought the same exact thing.... They were always there

Honestly DADT going away wasn't even that big of a deal.....we just can't say something is gay or call someone a fag anymore

Though the discussion I had with a normy gay guy in a tow vehicle one day was priceless.....he was stupid pissed off at the new flamboyantly gay Airman who was being creepy about it and hitting on straight guys

The normy gay guy was saying that the other guy was what was wrong with the gay community and made normal ones look bad....it really was an insightful discussion that prior to DADT would've never happened

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I totally agree that society is a woke mess but if someone wants to join the military in this day and age I would still support them 100% I just couldn't do it myself in the current political climate. I suppose I was spoiled having served during Reagan's two terms and I actually waited until Carter was out before I enlisted. I got out when the military decided diversity and multiculturalism were more important than mission readiness.

Yeah!  Fight for faggotry, White replacement and political repression of the non-woke - join our new transgender military, the most accommodating and best fashion-coordinated military on earth... free abortions on enlistment.

Yeah, someone will have to shoot the patriotic, pro-Constitution Americans and man the concentration camps.

We had gay dudes and lesbians 25 years ago. Nobody gave a fuck then either.

Spoken like a true bullet-stopping drone - who do you think is pressing your button as a grunt?  Your Aunt Mildred?  It's Congress/POTUS and the people who own them.

You should probably switch to decaf and stop drinking so early in the morning.

Which is China now.

Dude, they were there, you just didn't know it. I can almost guarantee that, at some point in your military career, you even used a communal shower with someone who would have loved it if you would have dropped the soap and bent over to retrieve it.

My brother joined in 1989 and served until he retired in 2012. His husband is still serving.

We had a dude, Harth, in my unit in the late 90's who was barely in the closet. We ALL knew dude was gay. I got to see more than enough evidence when he and I had CQ together one Saturday and we both used a mutual friend's computer to shoot the shit with folks on AOL. I accidentally opened a message meant for him and got to see a picture of a naked dude wrapped in a flag which the dude had sent him. But, you know what? Harth was a damn good soldier who did his duty well.

My son is Army contracted to Commission...

And I am very dam proud of him, not the administration.

I regret wasting my time reading and responding to this post...

The Military still offers a step up for someone not college bound... Learn a trade, pick one... Travel... I believe even now that it is a great place to mentor young men, women better than sitting doing nothing but reminial jobs at home...

People talk about woke Military, businesses offer that also...

On the flip side, they'd get to serve half a population which loves them.

you're not getting her signals?

Or use the military to get several degrees.

I have been AD for coming up on nine years. I haven't seen much of a difference from president Obama to president Trump and now president Biden. Things in the military seem to take a long time to change, and it doesn't seem like the changing of the president has a major effect on the lower enlisted-non senior NCO ranks. I would still join today like I did nine years ago, and if I had kids I would support whatever choice they made.

great....

I'm from a army family going back to the revolution
And I love my nation and the constitution ill defend to the death. Mine or the enemies. But even more than the Chinese the mortal enemies of America are here living amongst us.

I agree with you sir. Better to train and prepare your kids to defend and protect America as part of the militia of freedom loving constitutionalists

Please illuminate the path forward on how to combat this.

OP. Have you been following the story of @Clarinath 's daughter? His thread was right next to your thread this morning. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Daughter-is-home-on-leave-/5-2564925/

This.

If we tell "our" people, do NOT "Join the Armed Forces", then those who DO join will NOT be "our" people ...

Makes as much sense as saying "Don't Vote!!" and then being pissed off when "the other side" wins elections & passes legislation we don't like.

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That’s ok OP. My daughter went in last year to serve in your kids’ place. Son is following right behind her the end of this summer.
Continue to shelter them.

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If I was gonna list the top 10 ladyflowers I'd want to munch and Mac Tay Tay is number 1.

I know she's a wokeazoid.
But when i  got done with her she'd write her first happy song about a man.

By the rime they can join our military will be fully woke. Shit. It is now.  I kind of think we deserve to be conquered at this point.