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Posted: 1/20/2023 8:46:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #IWANTAFFORDABLEPRECISION Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Geissele is drunk… #IWANTAFFORDABLEPRECISION I wonder how big a market this will find. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 8:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think he means in regards to use with standard AR upper assemblies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting concept, but what happens with the gas system? It would be gone. You wouldn't need one. I think he means in regards to use with standard AR upper assemblies. This exactly. They say you can use normal uppers. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 8:55:44 PM EDT
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Now if Taurus had come out with a .45 double stack G series.
IYKYK 
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Posted: 1/20/2023 8:57:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting concept, but what happens with the gas system? Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting concept, but what happens with the gas system? Reverse install a cheap slim gas block and it'd shut off the port. Or they could make a sleeve. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:48:57 PM EDT
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Saw some interesting stuff downstairs today. Couldn't walk all of downstairs, but we did as much as we could to 3 o'clock then bailed.
Huglu has a pump shotgun w/ proprietary furniture, but accepts 870 bbls, and one version uses the now standard MKA 1919 mags. Another Turk manufacturer has the 12 ga upper for the DPMS Gen 1. Two Turk companies have folding pump shotguns that would make damn handy truck guns when you pull the damn pump assist spring off the mag tube. Columbia has a handgun manufacturer that is going to import some S&W clones at S&W prices, lol. There is some really light Level 3 armor out there. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:52:02 PM EDT
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The Magpul do everything mag counter optic was pretty cool. Laser rangefinder, ballistic computer including tilt angle, and round counter to include what's loaded on yer vest.
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Posted: 1/20/2023 9:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Olympus Arms, with what they're describing as a recoil-less .308. Kind of an AR-10, but only by way of inspiration. You'll see why: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D995937C-30DF-4B44-8209-C28F03AFE38E-2677254.jpg It would be unfair to call this thing an improved AR-10. To start with, it has a reciprocating barrel that moves back 5.25". The felt recoil (or muzzle climb for that matter) is negligible. And it weighs less than 8 lbs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/3E0CE4C5-3CAE-4134-81D7-F803722D9B85-2677260.jpg It has no buffer tube (the barrel itself moving rearwards takes care of that - the design is pretty ingenious). So hey - folding stock.  And despite what's printed on it, you can indeed shoot it with the stock folded. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D1CC41D8-706B-4C4D-9F92-E4131EA85049-2677249.jpg It has no rear takedown pin. Instead, you just push a button forward. Easy, peasy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/85D8C47F-1C8D-4ACA-9B5C-EEEE22BED666-2677388.jpg Once removed (there is a traditional front takedown pin), the upper itself separates into two halves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C1B5542D-6F3A-40F2-AF81-433BD1283860-2677389.jpg The barrel is ridiculously easy to remove (and change!). Like...in less than 60 seconds. And it's toolless. There's no gas system (!!!). As such, it uses an adjustable muzzle break to change the amount of energy imparted on the reciprocating barrel. You just twist it - full brake, half brake, and closed brake. If you twist it a half-turn, the brake comes off. And then you can put any muzzle device you want on it. They're also making a version of that brake that has a suppressor mount built into it. It also, as you'd imagine, runs very clean. Cause...no gas system. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C684298F-1341-41C9-B104-42B66E66533F-2677390.jpg Oh, it has an ambidexterous bolt catch. And you work the release with the index finger of your firing hand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/9E354151-C1F1-49B4-B70C-A5F043874C5B-2677408.jpg Speaking of the bolt and bolt carrier group - peep this thing.  Honestly, this deserves a dedicated post of it's own. There's a LOT going on. This (along with many other things), is why it's not really fair to call this a warmed over AR-10. It really is it's own animal. One cool design feature of note, is the extractor. Even if you get a case welded stuck in the chamber, you just pull back on the charging handle. It takes no more than 2 lbs of pressure to overcome the extractor (no matter what) to pull the bolt back - no matter how stuck the case is. No more mortaring your rifle. The bolt lugs actually rotate inward. This thing is a trip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/A4B6235E-70DC-4296-B5B9-DDB1E58EF27B-2677391.jpg Oh! And it has an ambidextrous forward charging handle. That's easy to remove. Oh, and you can add a knob or something to it, if you want. They turn their own barrels from blanks, do all of their own machining from raw billet, etc. Currently they're manufactured in St George Utah, but I guess they're moving the whole operation to Montana. $4600 MSRP (I know, I know...). Available immediately. Dudes...I am sooooo enamored with thing. Basement SHOT Shot is best SHOT show! I'm actually going to return tomorrow, to take some video of this thing (not for the official Arfcom YouTube channel - I'm just going to do it with my iPhone, and throw it up on mine for now). There is sooooo much going on with this rifle, that you have to see - and let the designer explain. Oh, and I gave him my card, because I want a demo unit shipped to us. I want to review this properly.  It's a Johnson. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:02:50 PM EDT
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Finally some info on the Turkish 556 roller guns.
Not sure why they went with the camo.     https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:08:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a Johnson. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Olympus Arms, with what they're describing as a recoil-less .308. Kind of an AR-10, but only by way of inspiration. You'll see why: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D995937C-30DF-4B44-8209-C28F03AFE38E-2677254.jpg It would be unfair to call this thing an improved AR-10. To start with, it has a reciprocating barrel that moves back 5.25". The felt recoil (or muzzle climb for that matter) is negligible. And it weighs less than 8 lbs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/3E0CE4C5-3CAE-4134-81D7-F803722D9B85-2677260.jpg It has no buffer tube (the barrel itself moving rearwards takes care of that - the design is pretty ingenious). So hey - folding stock. And despite what's printed on it, you can indeed shoot it with the stock folded. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D1CC41D8-706B-4C4D-9F92-E4131EA85049-2677249.jpg It has no rear takedown pin. Instead, you just push a button forward. Easy, peasy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/85D8C47F-1C8D-4ACA-9B5C-EEEE22BED666-2677388.jpg Once removed (there is a traditional front takedown pin), the upper itself separates into two halves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C1B5542D-6F3A-40F2-AF81-433BD1283860-2677389.jpg The barrel is ridiculously easy to remove (and change!). Like...in less than 60 seconds. And it's toolless. There's no gas system (!!!). As such, it uses an adjustable muzzle break to change the amount of energy imparted on the reciprocating barrel. You just twist it - full brake, half brake, and closed brake. If you twist it a half-turn, the brake comes off. And then you can put any muzzle device you want on it. They're also making a version of that brake that has a suppressor mount built into it. It also, as you'd imagine, runs very clean. Cause...no gas system. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C684298F-1341-41C9-B104-42B66E66533F-2677390.jpg Oh, it has an ambidexterous bolt catch. And you work the release with the index finger of your firing hand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/9E354151-C1F1-49B4-B70C-A5F043874C5B-2677408.jpg Speaking of the bolt and bolt carrier group - peep this thing. Honestly, this deserves a dedicated post of it's own. There's a LOT going on. This (along with many other things), is why it's not really fair to call this a warmed over AR-10. It really is it's own animal. One cool design feature of note, is the extractor. Even if you get a case welded stuck in the chamber, you just pull back on the charging handle. It takes no more than 2 lbs of pressure to overcome the extractor (no matter what) to pull the bolt back - no matter how stuck the case is. No more mortaring your rifle. The bolt lugs actually rotate inward. This thing is a trip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/A4B6235E-70DC-4296-B5B9-DDB1E58EF27B-2677391.jpg Oh! And it has an ambidextrous forward charging handle. That's easy to remove. Oh, and you can add a knob or something to it, if you want. They turn their own barrels from blanks, do all of their own machining from raw billet, etc. Currently they're manufactured in St George Utah, but I guess they're moving the whole operation to Montana. $4600 MSRP (I know, I know...). Available immediately. Dudes...I am sooooo enamored with thing. Basement SHOT Shot is best SHOT show! I'm actually going to return tomorrow, to take some video of this thing (not for the official Arfcom YouTube channel - I'm just going to do it with my iPhone, and throw it up on mine for now). There is sooooo much going on with this rifle, that you have to see - and let the designer explain. Oh, and I gave him my card, because I want a demo unit shipped to us. I want to review this properly. It's a Johnson. 
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:09:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finally some info on the Turkish 556 roller guns. Not sure why they went with the camo. https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:24:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll chip in for a couple HK style mags for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Finally some info on the Turkish 556 roller guns. Not sure why they went with the camo. https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Yes I know about the PTR 63. But I also saw that other poster's HK33 pattern that takes AR mags, and now I'm curious. I’ll chip in for a couple HK style mags for you. The HK style mags are pretty awesome, too. The German ones are well made and the Turk ones have lead holds for fixed and rotary wing aircraft. I would not want a 33 that used AR mags. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That thing would be awesome as a big bore. I hope they go that route, I think I’d have to get one in .450 Bushmaster for sure Yeah after doing some research I might go 350 Legend. Magazines for the others are a shit show and Lancer makes a 15 round mag for the 350. Plus 9mm suppressors will work with subsonic 350 Legend cartridges. A 350 Legend that uses a pistol suppressor, 10.5” barrel, 15 round mags, and a lever action? Sign me up. ODG with wood furniture please. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:35:21 PM EDT
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surprised there's not more chatter about the 300 win mag ar
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1357807194970444?mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: surprised there's not more chatter about the 300 win mag ar https://www.facebook.com/reel/1357807194970444?mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V Well dang. Never thought I’d want a Bear Creek AR. Guess I was wrong. This has been the best SHOT Show since 2007 in my eyes. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:43:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The HK style mags are pretty awesome, too. The German ones are well made and the Turk ones have lead holds for fixed and rotary wing aircraft. I would not want a 33 that used AR mags. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Finally some info on the Turkish 556 roller guns. Not sure why they went with the camo. https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Yes I know about the PTR 63. But I also saw that other poster's HK33 pattern that takes AR mags, and now I'm curious. I’ll chip in for a couple HK style mags for you. The HK style mags are pretty awesome, too. The German ones are well made and the Turk ones have lead holds for fixed and rotary wing aircraft. I would not want a 33 that used AR mags. I started looking around at 33 mags and damn, I want a 33K but I don't think I can afford more than 1-2 mags to feed it. They are spendy unless I'm looking in the wrong place. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: surprised there's not more chatter about the 300 win mag ar https://www.facebook.com/reel/1357807194970444?mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V Not the first one, Nemo Arms has been making one for years now. I'm betting the Bear Creek is probably much less expensive though. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: surprised there's not more chatter about the 300 win mag ar https://www.facebook.com/reel/1357807194970444?mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V I'm not so sure about Bear Creek, but the rifle looks a bit more slim and light than something like the Nemo, or whatever the last iteration of 300 win mag AR was. Edit: Beat |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 10:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not the first one, Nemo Arms has been making one for years now. I'm betting the Bear Creek is probably much less expensive though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: surprised there's not more chatter about the 300 win mag ar https://www.facebook.com/reel/1357807194970444?mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V Not the first one, Nemo Arms has been making one for years now. I'm betting the Bear Creek is probably much less expensive though. There was another one before them as well, I feel like they've been around close to a decade. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:00:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Roller delayed gas blowback 5.56 rifles with STANAG mag wells are based and red pilled. It's good that PTR is going to produce one instead of having to get a custom build. Also if you don't like the grip it takes a few seconds to change it to something better. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/125478/Screenshot_20230119-080831_png-2677636.JPG There's a booster? |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:07:58 PM EDT
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@Augee - it was good to finally meet you.
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:24:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did anyone see FB Radom? The MSBS Grot was teased a few years back, it would be nice to see what’s up. Saw some Poles w/ some SCAR/ACR looking thing downstairs, but I'm far more interested in the cheap Turk folding shotguns. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, I made a thread about it last Shot Show when they actually still sold shirts on here.............I guess that's not a thing anymore? But anyway, I was kind of critical of the ARFCOM guys wearing shirts that were not for sale at SHOT. For an event where items are displayed for the sake of future release, wearing some one off shirts with no intent of them ever being a thing seems like typical behavior we would see from ARFCOM. I am pretty sure that the site could probably make a good amount in return if they were offered to members or whoever. What's the deal with the shop? Did it just cease to exist with the Brownell's takeover? Am I wrong? Sorry rant over. Edward had a physical shop in Canton, and when he died, the online shop went into mourning. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:35:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:44:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elaborate, please? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Olympus Arms, with what they're describing as a recoil-less .308. Kind of an AR-10, but only by way of inspiration. You'll see why: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D995937C-30DF-4B44-8209-C28F03AFE38E-2677254.jpg It would be unfair to call this thing an improved AR-10. To start with, it has a reciprocating barrel that moves back 5.25". The felt recoil (or muzzle climb for that matter) is negligible. And it weighs less than 8 lbs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/3E0CE4C5-3CAE-4134-81D7-F803722D9B85-2677260.jpg It has no buffer tube (the barrel itself moving rearwards takes care of that - the design is pretty ingenious). So hey - folding stock. And despite what's printed on it, you can indeed shoot it with the stock folded. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D1CC41D8-706B-4C4D-9F92-E4131EA85049-2677249.jpg It has no rear takedown pin. Instead, you just push a button forward. Easy, peasy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/85D8C47F-1C8D-4ACA-9B5C-EEEE22BED666-2677388.jpg Once removed (there is a traditional front takedown pin), the upper itself separates into two halves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C1B5542D-6F3A-40F2-AF81-433BD1283860-2677389.jpg The barrel is ridiculously easy to remove (and change!). Like...in less than 60 seconds. And it's toolless. There's no gas system (!!!). As such, it uses an adjustable muzzle break to change the amount of energy imparted on the reciprocating barrel. You just twist it - full brake, half brake, and closed brake. If you twist it a half-turn, the brake comes off. And then you can put any muzzle device you want on it. They're also making a version of that brake that has a suppressor mount built into it. It also, as you'd imagine, runs very clean. Cause...no gas system. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C684298F-1341-41C9-B104-42B66E66533F-2677390.jpg Oh, it has an ambidexterous bolt catch. And you work the release with the index finger of your firing hand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/9E354151-C1F1-49B4-B70C-A5F043874C5B-2677408.jpg Speaking of the bolt and bolt carrier group - peep this thing. Honestly, this deserves a dedicated post of it's own. There's a LOT going on. This (along with many other things), is why it's not really fair to call this a warmed over AR-10. It really is it's own animal. One cool design feature of note, is the extractor. Even if you get a case welded stuck in the chamber, you just pull back on the charging handle. It takes no more than 2 lbs of pressure to overcome the extractor (no matter what) to pull the bolt back - no matter how stuck the case is. No more mortaring your rifle. The bolt lugs actually rotate inward. This thing is a trip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/A4B6235E-70DC-4296-B5B9-DDB1E58EF27B-2677391.jpg Oh! And it has an ambidextrous forward charging handle. That's easy to remove. Oh, and you can add a knob or something to it, if you want. They turn their own barrels from blanks, do all of their own machining from raw billet, etc. Currently they're manufactured in St George Utah, but I guess they're moving the whole operation to Montana. $4600 MSRP (I know, I know...). Available immediately. Dudes...I am sooooo enamored with thing. Basement SHOT Shot is best SHOT show! I'm actually going to return tomorrow, to take some video of this thing (not for the official Arfcom YouTube channel - I'm just going to do it with my iPhone, and throw it up on mine for now). There is sooooo much going on with this rifle, that you have to see - and let the designer explain. Oh, and I gave him my card, because I want a demo unit shipped to us. I want to review this properly. It's a Johnson. Elaborate, please? Sorry I missed you, man. Was on a mission to sign up w/ new distributors rather than play w/ kewl new guns. Yer new toy sounds a lot like the 2nd WW Marine Corps Johnson rifle the Marines bought while they were waiting on Garands. Not so sure about their very light recoil claim either w/ a giant honking bbl going from 60 mph to zero in half an inch. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:52:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finally some info on the Turkish 556 roller guns. Not sure why they went with the camo. https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Any .308? https://www.mkeusa.com/en-US/catalogue/rifles/t-41/37/24 |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 12:17:48 AM EDT
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Holosun's many new releases?
Eotech's now available $389 retail, US-made RMR killer? No, the Geissele dust cover featuring the reach-around feature to lock your bolt open when your thumb can do it on the same plane.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 12:25:24 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That design has to be shit for accuracy…  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Olympus Arms, with what they're describing as a recoil-less .308. Kind of an AR-10, but only by way of inspiration. You'll see why: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D995937C-30DF-4B44-8209-C28F03AFE38E-2677254.jpg It would be unfair to call this thing an improved AR-10. To start with, it has a reciprocating barrel that moves back 5.25". The felt recoil (or muzzle climb for that matter) is negligible. And it weighs less than 8 lbs. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/3E0CE4C5-3CAE-4134-81D7-F803722D9B85-2677260.jpg It has no buffer tube (the barrel itself moving rearwards takes care of that - the design is pretty ingenious). So hey - folding stock. And despite what's printed on it, you can indeed shoot it with the stock folded. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/D1CC41D8-706B-4C4D-9F92-E4131EA85049-2677249.jpg It has no rear takedown pin. Instead, you just push a button forward. Easy, peasy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/85D8C47F-1C8D-4ACA-9B5C-EEEE22BED666-2677388.jpg Once removed (there is a traditional front takedown pin), the upper itself separates into two halves. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C1B5542D-6F3A-40F2-AF81-433BD1283860-2677389.jpg The barrel is ridiculously easy to remove (and change!). Like...in less than 60 seconds. And it's toolless. There's no gas system (!!!). As such, it uses an adjustable muzzle break to change the amount of energy imparted on the reciprocating barrel. You just twist it - full brake, half brake, and closed brake. If you twist it a half-turn, the brake comes off. And then you can put any muzzle device you want on it. They're also making a version of that brake that has a suppressor mount built into it. It also, as you'd imagine, runs very clean. Cause...no gas system. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/C684298F-1341-41C9-B104-42B66E66533F-2677390.jpg Oh, it has an ambidexterous bolt catch. And you work the release with the index finger of your firing hand. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/9E354151-C1F1-49B4-B70C-A5F043874C5B-2677408.jpg Speaking of the bolt and bolt carrier group - peep this thing. Honestly, this deserves a dedicated post of it's own. There's a LOT going on. This (along with many other things), is why it's not really fair to call this a warmed over AR-10. It really is it's own animal. One cool design feature of note, is the extractor. Even if you get a case welded stuck in the chamber, you just pull back on the charging handle. It takes no more than 2 lbs of pressure to overcome the extractor (no matter what) to pull the bolt back - no matter how stuck the case is. No more mortaring your rifle. The bolt lugs actually rotate inward. This thing is a trip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/51536/A4B6235E-70DC-4296-B5B9-DDB1E58EF27B-2677391.jpg Oh! And it has an ambidextrous forward charging handle. That's easy to remove. Oh, and you can add a knob or something to it, if you want. They turn their own barrels from blanks, do all of their own machining from raw billet, etc. Currently they're manufactured in St George Utah, but I guess they're moving the whole operation to Montana. $4600 MSRP (I know, I know...). Available immediately. Dudes...I am sooooo enamored with thing. Basement SHOT Shot is best SHOT show! I'm actually going to return tomorrow, to take some video of this thing (not for the official Arfcom YouTube channel - I'm just going to do it with my iPhone, and throw it up on mine for now). There is sooooo much going on with this rifle, that you have to see - and let the designer explain. Oh, and I gave him my card, because I want a demo unit shipped to us. I want to review this properly. That design has to be shit for accuracy… I have shot it. And I was effortlessly banging headshots on steel at 100m. It is a pretty penny. But I'd spend the money on the Olympus Arms Vulcan before buying a Sig Spear 277 |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 12:39:58 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I started looking around at 33 mags and damn, I want a 33K but I don't think I can afford more than 1-2 mags to feed it. They are spendy unless I'm looking in the wrong place. These are affordable and work well |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:03:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [url=https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/20/shot-2023-coming-to-america-the-beretta-pmxs/][SHOT 2023] Coming to America: The Beretta PMXs[/url] Anyone at SHOT see the Beretta MPXS and note if it is all plastic or metal or both? Didn't get to handle it since it was displayed in a plexi box:  looks mostly plastic/polymer to me. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:09:54 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There's pics of it at their booth but haven't seen anybody saying they talked to them or got a date. Of course that VIS-100 I wanted came in a lot more expensive then I thought it would. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did anyone see FB Radom? The MSBS Grot was teased a few years back, it would be nice to see what’s up. There's pics of it at their booth but haven't seen anybody saying they talked to them or got a date. Of course that VIS-100 I wanted came in a lot more expensive then I thought it would. On the Grot, they're working on it is the response I got when I asked about it. I asked about threaded barrels for the VIS and apparently they have them in Poland, and will get some over here this year.  
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:10:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't get to handle it since it was displayed in a plexi box: https://i.ibb.co/y8cLfCT/PMX12.jpg looks mostly plastic/polymer to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: [url=https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/20/shot-2023-coming-to-america-the-beretta-pmxs/][SHOT 2023] Coming to America: The Beretta PMXs[/url] Anyone at SHOT see the Beretta MPXS and note if it is all plastic or metal or both? Didn't get to handle it since it was displayed in a plexi box: https://i.ibb.co/y8cLfCT/PMX12.jpg looks mostly plastic/polymer to me. I'm still curious about the mags. Are they proprietary or did they keep the B&T mag compatibility and simply design their own B&T compatible mag for it. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:11:26 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: On the Grot, they're working on it is the response I got when I asked about it. I asked about threaded barrels for the VIS and apparently they have them in Poland, and will get some over here this year. https://i.ibb.co/bHTpM4n/fb-grot.jpg https://i.ibb.co/DMyPhtv/fb-vis.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did anyone see FB Radom? The MSBS Grot was teased a few years back, it would be nice to see what's up. There's pics of it at their booth but haven't seen anybody saying they talked to them or got a date. Of course that VIS-100 I wanted came in a lot more expensive then I thought it would. On the Grot, they're working on it is the response I got when I asked about it. I asked about threaded barrels for the VIS and apparently they have them in Poland, and will get some over here this year. https://i.ibb.co/bHTpM4n/fb-grot.jpg https://i.ibb.co/DMyPhtv/fb-vis.jpg I'd love to own a Grot! |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:17:01 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: surprised there's not more chatter about the 300 win mag ar https://www.facebook.com/reel/1357807194970444?mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V Looks similar to my Noreen Carbine X in .300wm. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:30:19 AM EDT
[#36]
New DSA G-Series Clone FAL Rifle
 New DSA G-Series Clone FAL Rifle |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 2:04:50 AM EDT
[#37]
21 Innovative NEW Shooting and Hunting Gadgets for 2023
 21 NEW Shooting and Hunting Gadgets (SHOT SHOW 2023) |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 3:15:57 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well dang. Never thought I’d want a Bear Creek AR. Guess I was wrong. This has been the best SHOT Show since 2007 in my eyes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: surprised there's not more chatter about the 300 win mag ar https://www.facebook.com/reel/1357807194970444?mibextid=0NULKw&fs=e&s=TIeQ9V Well dang. Never thought I’d want a Bear Creek AR. Guess I was wrong. This has been the best SHOT Show since 2007 in my eyes. I've been going since 2008-9? Of course missed this year as luck would have it. But from whats been released, this is definitely the best year I can recall in terms of cool new stuff. Especially for pistols. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 3:19:02 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw some Poles w/ some SCAR/ACR looking thing downstairs, but I'm far more interested in the cheap Turk folding shotguns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did anyone see FB Radom? The MSBS Grot was teased a few years back, it would be nice to see what’s up. Saw some Poles w/ some SCAR/ACR looking thing downstairs, but I'm far more interested in the cheap Turk folding shotguns. Any more info on the Turk folding shotguns? |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 3:26:28 AM EDT
[#40]
 Shot Show 2023 Day 3 // Ruger, Hi-Point, Staccato & More! |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 3:27:06 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any more info on the Turk folding shotguns? I'll get some more info posted next week once I dig through my collection of cards. 2x manufacturers, identical pumps w/ the damn spring pushing the bolt home around the mag tube, 1x very similar auto, trunnion hinged just in front of the cartridge feed port, whole mag, bbl, bolt, and top of receiver hinge open and fold beneath the lower receiver and buttstock. Latch is at the upper rear of the receiver, slides back, action opens leaving the hammer exposed. Price was in the $200s, though that may be to the distributors. Looks as if you can leave the chamber and mag loaded while open. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 11:40:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2023 12:39:55 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryI really thought this was coming in under the radar as a hidden gem from the show. But at $3700 (50% more than a Rattler) it's clear they're not interested in selling any. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 12:56:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryAlways wanted a g series FAL |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:01:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Seemed like a decent show this year. For me the most interesting were Beretta's A300 combat shotgun, BRO's bullpup 308, and the Olympus rifle. I'm also wanting to know more about the Brigade Arms Makashi rifle.
The Grot has my future interest along with the Beretta APX. I was really hoping to see HK's micro compact pistol, but I'll settle for trying out Canik's. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:14:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really thought this was coming in under the radar as a hidden gem from the show. But at $3700 (50% more than a Rattler) it's clear they're not interested in selling any. 
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:16:37 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really thought this was coming in under the radar as a hidden gem from the show. But at $3700 (50% more than a Rattler) it's clear they're not interested in selling any. Quote HistoryQuoted: I really thought this was coming in under the radar as a hidden gem from the show. But at $3700 (50% more than a Rattler) it's clear they're not interested in selling any. Couldn't agree more if that is the correct msrp. In the current climate of pistol braces and direction these pistol manufacturers need to get aggressive/competitive with prices and convince the general public that they have their place in your collection. I suspect the *tf may of crippled future sales. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:27:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:33:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm also wanting to know more about the Brigade Arms Makashi rifle. That's pretty cool! |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 2:05:28 PM EDT
[#50]
NEW Leupold MK5 2-10x
 NEW Leupold MK5 2-10x for precision rifle shooting |
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