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fuck pws

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Yeah, we're union thugs because we won't buy from people who won't stick by our side when we're being fucked, and there are competitors that will. Makes a ton of sense.

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Who is pws?

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I question how many over priced brakes you will really buy, Ms. Brady.  

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I question how many over priced brakes you will really buy, Ms. Brady.  

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Wake me up when a firearm company or ammo company refuse to sell to the Department of Homeland Security. Refusing to sell to the local LEO that buys their stuff out of pocket does not hurt the .gov.

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I would be a sad fucking cop, not to mention American, if a firearms company refusing to sell weapons to me was what put my "skin in the game".

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I have really liked my PWS MK114.
I have been emailing various gun makers wanting to know their position on the attack on our second amendment rights and those states that will make criminals out of civilians that own their products.

I have been blunt:
If they want my continued business and recommendation join the fight to stop the attacks on the Bill of Rights or I go elsewhere
PWS feels I am trying to bully them and will not bow to such pressure

Below is their response word for word

Do you feel they make a good point?
Am I being a bully and being unfair to PWS?
Do you think LaRue, Midway and Spikes plus others are wrong in not supporting LE agencies that will enforce these bans and arrest people who want to keep a PWS, Spikes or LaRue AR15?

Maybe I am out of line. What do you think?


Wulfmann
(below is the actual email from PWS and below that my exact email response to that email)
Hello Mr. XXX,

Thank you for contacting us with your concerns and to communicate your opinions and stance on the current political situation and attack on the second amendment that we are all engaged in.  We also greatly appreciate all of your past and hopefully continued support due to the excellent function, performance and quality of the PWS weapons you already have.    

In the weeks since Sen. Feinstein’s push for new Gun Control first started, many of the employees at PWS have been repeatedly contacting various political leaders via email and Facebook to voice our wish to see them uphold the Constitution rather than undermine it. We agree that taking a stance for what one believes in is part of what makes this country great. We believe other factors in that greatness are the freedom from oppression and political bullying guaranteed by our Bill of Rights and economic wherewithal brought to us by the Free Market Economy.  

PWS supports the US Soldier, Law Enforcement  and Armed Citizen with the same priority.  Just as you have a choice in what firearms you purchase and trust, so do they.  They are exercising their free will in the free market just as you or I would.   They are not the boogeyman, they are our parents, siblings and friends.  At times, we may be at odds, but we are still ALL Americans.  There is a small but vocal crowd that seeks to further divide this nation instead of lead it.  Unfortunately, they control the Whitehouse right now......but that will pass.  The last thing a conservative response should be, is too cleave and divide ourselves even further from all Americans instead of working together as a united people.  This saddens us that is the typical response.  

We personally know many men serving as LEO in the states you wish us to refuse business to, men who we consider brothers who have served this nation overseas and continue to serve their communities as Law Enforcement.  These men have actually fought for the rights you purport to support as you try to threaten a position and statement out of firearms manufacturers using misguided fear tactics that are already in heavy use by the liberal leadership in this nation.  They are as ardent of defenders and believers in the Constitution and 2nd Amendment as ANYONE.   I will not betray their service and sacrifice or their friendship any more readily than I would betray yours, yet that is exactly what you are demanding.

What you have done in this message to PWS is give an ultimatum reinforced with threats.  This is also known as an “initiation of force”.  I cannot tell you how much this disappoints me on a personal level.  We have spoken on the phone numerous times and instead of reaching out and asking how to help each other in this fight, you instead use the same tactics of those on the other side by giving an ultimatum engineered to solicit a response in line with your demands, leaving no room for anything else.  You did not ask us as a brother American, instead you treat us as an adversary you wish to threaten and force to bend to your will.  You have voiced your stance and what the repercussions are for us if we don't submit to your will but just as our forefathers believed…..  I submit to NO MAN sir and I expect no one to submit to me.  

PWS will not be submitting to your ultimatum and if us standing up for our right and our beliefs is counter to your wants, needs and desires and your punishment upon us is to not use or endorse or purchase our products from us, that is your choice.  In closing, I believe you need to reflect on the tone and tactics conveyed by your email.  

Cordially,

MR. STACEY NAGY
Dealer Development/Sales  
PRIMARY WEAPONS SYSTEMS
208.344.5217 x 206
208.344.5395 fax
http://www.primaryweapons.com/


Actually we have never spoken on the phone even one time. We have only communicated via email

There are many law enforcement officers who do not support the second amendment nor do their agencies.
In states like New York new laws are being passed that makes any citizen who own a PWS rifle a felon.
What you are saying is you will support agencies that will arrest someone for owning a PWS rifle.
Does that make sense?

Please, you want to make sure you keep a broad monetary base and that is understandable but what you manufacture is under serious threat.

However, you are being short sited because the gun community is drawing a line in the sand and it will likely come down to deciding what side you want to be on.
Some states where your products are illegal except for those few agencies that might buy from you and those you support will arrest a civilian PWS owner.

You have a right to your decision and a right to call me a bully and it saddens me to hear you choose to side with dollar signs and not principles.

Yes, I have informed you in spite of my preferring PWS as one of my personal defense guns (Something many people in states you will support can no longer have) I will give up owning the newer model Mod 1 PWS or future purchases and support those manufactures who put their money where their mouth is and actually DO what is needed to defend our rights from tyrannical despots and those that enforce these unconstitutional laws.

But I will copy and paste your reply as you wrote it so the gun community knows you will not be “bullied” by people who believe we have come to a place were we must stand up for the constitution or lose it.

I believe as a business PWS certainly should make its choices as it feels its interest are best served.
I note your position and am glad I waited for your reply so I didn’t waste my time ordering 2 Mod 1 uppers

All the best, XXX

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it hurts the State governments who are the only ones so far passing gun control legislation
 

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When Glock, Sig, or other similar handguns are not available as choices for the average citizen in a state, then yes, I will choose not to purchase another of their products if they continue to sell to "special" folks.  What is difficult to understand about that?

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In the "grand scheme" of things don't most "agencies" all ready have their armory's stocked and not likely to make new purchases?

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I agree, others it would seem do not.

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You guys are right. We should totally fuck over a gun company which is going to be affected by all of these laws that are passing. They are going to lose tons of business because citizens of those states will not be able to own their products, so let's fuck them even more by hurting their business and making them go under.

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Wake me up when a firearm company or ammo company refuse to sell to the Department of Homeland Security. Refusing to sell to the local LEO that buys their stuff out of pocket does not hurt the .gov.

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Actually yes. I will not support any gun or ammo maker that supports those that choose to enforce unconstitutional laws

PWS should know the "I was following orders" defense was found to be no defense at the Nuremberg trials

Wulfmann

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Fuck PWS, its position, and its condescending response to you.

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Private companies supported and supplied Hitlers rise to power right up to the day he nationalized their companies and sent all of them to prison if they protested. These companies will close their eyes to the growth of tyranny that they are supporting in the name of profit until the Coumo's, Bloomberg's and Obama's gain the absolute power that they covet. Then they will get the shaft/bullet that we will have already received. Sad that those who The Left call "callous  suppliers of murderers" because they make their living making and selling tools "of murder" will not stand with the very people who don't call them such hateful names. Ironic really.

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No, that doesn't make you like a union thug at all, there are companies I don't do business with because I don't like their stance or how they run things.
What does though is sending a letter that contains a statement to the effect of, "If you don't join our cause I will not purchase another product and I will do my best to insure no one else does either."

I'm in full support of all the manufacturers getting on board and supporting us if they chose to do so and aren't bullied into it. What I'm not for is trying to strongarm people, it's a despicable practice.

We're making a stand, manufacturers are making a stand and now the owner of PWS made a stand against a thugish email.

Companies need to be made aware of the movement but not threatened into joining lest they get forced under. If they decide not to join then fuck 'em, but let them make the decision on their own.
 

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PWS makes fucking total garbage anyhow in my opinion.
I heard from a reputable source that most of their stuff is cast in China out of radioactive pot metal, and they are lying about making anything in the US. Somebody else told me PWS really stands for Pedophile Weiner Satisfaction.

It might be total bullshit, so make sure you don't spread unconfirmed wild rumors like this and hurt an innocent business.

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You guys are right. We should totally fuck over a gun company which is going to be affected by all of these laws that are passing. They are going to lose tons of business because citizens of those states will not be able to own their products, so let's fuck them even more by hurting their business and making them go under.

Divide and conquer is a great philosophy ...... for the lefties to win.

While I support the right for businesses to chose to take this stance, and I fully support your right to purchase from wherever you like, I also want to support all parts of the gun industry so we can stay strong, stay united, and ultimately overturn these stupid ass laws these ass clowns keep passing.

Think before you rush to 'boycott' one of your own. Perhaps a suggestion that they may want to re-think their policy is in order, however to actively try to fuck them seems counter productive.

Are you going to 'boycott' Glock, Sig, Colt, H&K, and every other major gun manufacturer too because they still sell to LE in ban states? Get real.

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I for one cannot give this posting any credibility until the OP puts up his email that he is sending to these manufacturers.........SOMETHING elicited that response.

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You just called PWS nazi sympathizers. You are equating selling rifles to the mass murder of millions of jews.

That is pathetic and irrational. You should apologize.

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*snip*

WE DON'T NEED A LIST OF COMPANIES TO BOYCOTT!!!!

WE SHOULD HAVE A LIST OF COMPANIES TO FURTHER SUPPORT!



The other famous saying is "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."

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THIS. We need to make people want to join the cause, not try to scare them into it.