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Posted: 7/8/2023 4:27:18 PM EDT
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I tried to rent a gun on a business trip in Utah and they had a policy that you had to bring your own gun or be with someone that possessed a gun in order to rent. Silly. Just another mom blaming something outside of the real culprit. I just wish she would focus her efforts on something that could actually help.
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Posted: 7/8/2023 4:27:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: she's a dumb cunt. He would have passed the background check. He isn't a prohibited person, he's suicidal. Thankfully, because she's passed the age of having children, and her progeny offed himself - she's technically a Darwin Award winner. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 4:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just take fentanyl, it's evidently easy to obtain, there's little mess, and it's just as deadly as accuse lead poisoning. On second thought, maybe we should outlaw fentanyl .oh wait, NVM. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Very sorry for your loss lady but the gun wasn't the driving element of this tragedy.  Why not just take fentanyl, it's evidently easy to obtain, there's little mess, and it's just as deadly as accuse lead poisoning. On second thought, maybe we should outlaw fentanyl .oh wait, NVM. Men are successful at killing themselves because we don't fuck around with methods like drugs which can be counteracted. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 4:52:11 PM EDT
[#4]
Waiting to see if the mother attempts to cash in on the tragedy.
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Posted: 7/8/2023 4:57:36 PM EDT
[#5]
I was at SGC earlier in the day that someone smoked himself.
SGC changed rental policy after that, I believe. The tool is not to blame. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 4:57:46 PM EDT
[#6]
Every range here have rules like if you want to rent a gun you have to bring one with you or come as a group.
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Posted: 7/8/2023 4:59:27 PM EDT
[#7]
Sorry you lost your son, and it’s too bad he didn’t get the help he needed, but he went out in a very assholish way that negatively impacted a lot of other people. And you’re only making things worse.
Maybe everyone should have to pass a mental health evaluation every morning when they wake up, because they might take their own belt and hang themselves. If we have to pass a mental health evaluation every day before we are allowed to get out of bed, that might prevent such an occurrence. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 5:02:04 PM EDT
[#8]
There was literally nothing the mother could have done to help her son's mental health issues. /s
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Posted: 7/8/2023 5:06:29 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: so, make it more difficult for EVERYONE else bc your son offed himself? |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 5:13:12 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ("unless two people, two people do it, in harmony..." - Alice's Restaurant) But if three...three people come in, they'll know it's a Movement! |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 5:16:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That happened around here years ago. They changed their policy so in order to walk in and rent a gun, you had to have your own with you. Yeah, we had a few around here. The policy at our local rental place changed so that when you rent the first time you need to have at least one personally owned gun. After that they stop checking. They also sometimes glance at your guns because they try sort rental bays by cartridge type, 5.56 shooters at the opposite side of rimfire only guys, that sort of thing. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 5:35:24 PM EDT
[#12]
Because of onsite suicides a couple rental ranges near me won't rent a firearm to a "non-gun" person, i.e., someone off the street that doesn't already come in with their own firearm.
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Posted: 7/8/2023 5:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every range here have rules like if you want to rent a gun you have to bring one with you or come as a group. That's how its been at most ranges I've been to. Its a good rule, imo. That said, the lack of such a rule doesn't really make it their fault that the kid took his own life. Unless he was talking up suicide or something while he was there at the counter, there's no way they could reasonably have known or suspected he was going to kill himself. Ultimately, he bears responsibility for his own actions. I feel bad for his loved ones. RIP |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 5:45:43 PM EDT
[#14]
The media disrespected a grieving parent with this interview |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 8:31:46 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Waiting to see if the mother attempts to cash in on the tragedy. I thought about you when I saw this thread. I'm sorry about that mess you were pulled into. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 9:51:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the same organization that considered the Boston bomber a victim of gun violence. If she's actually prominent in the org, it may be worth naming names to counter her BS. I should have clarified she isn't a national or really even a state figure. Just a mouth piece on the local news. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:07:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The speed bump solution. Solves the need to "do something ", but only serves to harass everyone but the problematic person. This is a good way to describe it. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:19:03 PM EDT
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She said her son’s life spiraled out of control while he lived across the country. After losing his job, relationship and continued battles with mental health, he moved back in with her to try and get his life back on track. She felt he had improved but still had mental health struggles. Things took a dark turn when he went to run an errand but instead walked into the gun range nearby. “He wasn’t in his right mind, he needed help, but he easily went to that gun range, rented a gun and turned it on himself.” So... why didn't she get him the help he needed? |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:37:34 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After three on range suicides my old shop will no longer rent guns to anyone who comes solo and who doesn’t have their own gun as well. Would be a smart policy. Ive been to a C2 Tactical range before. Nice facilities, professional, rental guns in good shape etc. The should be ok in the long run. Short term they may take some shit but Scottsdale isnt exactly liberal. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:42:44 PM EDT
[#20]
How about dipping people in red ink when they have mental health issues. This way, these people can be easily identified and the rest of the world can get on with their lives.
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:55:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How about dipping people in red ink when they have mental health issues. This way, these people can be easily identified and the rest of the world can get on with their lives. If there was a serious effort to do something like that, there would be 'mental health professionals/advocates' explaining on mainstream media that this would only add to the stigma of mental illness and prevent people from seeking the help they need. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:58:01 PM EDT
[#22]
When my son hung himself I didn’t try to make it more difficult for people to buy extension cords.
When you suffer such a terrible loss, you try to deal with the pain of loss by closing the barn door too late. Don’t hate her. She is suffering unimaginable pain. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 11:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a rash of people doing that in my area about 20 years ago. All of the ranges voluntarily adopted rules like not renting to a first-time customer who shows up alone and unarmed, not renting to anyone who appears to be intoxicated or disoriented or distraught, etc. I wouldn't want to have to clean up after a suicide in a shooting range that I owned or managed. Insurance companies and lawyers can get restrictions imposed a lot faster than government can. That seems to be the case. Either bring your own gun or two people required even if only one shoots. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 11:06:12 PM EDT
[#24]
Here in Vermont, we have a 72 hour waiting period to pick up a firearm that took effect on 1 July 2023.
All because about 5 years ago, one of our State legislators went out, bought a gun and killed herself the same day. That same year, the son of a State legislator did the same year. So now, it becomes an epidemic! We have to do something! Also passed the same week as the 72 hour waiting period, Vermont made assisted suicide legal for anyone to come to the state for the purpose of ending their life. Go figure. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 11:08:23 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When my son hung himself I didn’t try to make it more difficult for people to buy extension cords. When you suffer such a terrible loss, you try to deal with the pain of loss by closing the barn door too late. Don’t hate her. She is suffering unimaginable pain. My condolences. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:13:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just freeway bridges, and you'd have to throw yourself into traffic. Tempe Town Lake. Lots of water. Warm, smelly water, but it'll do. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:15:49 AM EDT
[#27]
America is a fucking pathetic joke anymore. Fucking soccer mom Karen bullshit.
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:17:38 AM EDT
[#28]
Probably her fault nagging him day and night telling him he was no good
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:35:58 AM EDT
[#29]
So had he hung himself would she be complaining about ropes at tractor supply being easy to buy
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:44:06 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess it’s a good thing he didn’t drive himself to the Grand Canyon and jump over the edge. Well, following the same logic as the mother, we would need to stop driving near the Grand Canyon so that others can be saved. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 8:24:58 AM EDT
[#31]
What the fruitcake should be pushing for is mental health treatment and awareness.
Fuck her |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 8:37:25 AM EDT
[#32]
It’s a very sad situation for everyone.
His estate should pay for clean up, counseling, and any loss of use of the range. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:16:32 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If there was a serious effort to do something like that, there would be 'mental health professionals/advocates' explaining on mainstream media that this would only add to the stigma of mental illness and prevent people from seeking the help they need. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about dipping people in red ink when they have mental health issues. This way, these people can be easily identified and the rest of the world can get on with their lives. If there was a serious effort to do something like that, there would be 'mental health professionals/advocates' explaining on mainstream media that this would only add to the stigma of mental illness and prevent people from seeking the help they need. Or they would be saying we were the crazy ones for not being on board with chestfeeding trannys and the like. Careful what you wish for. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:57:41 AM EDT
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Quoted: Says the mom who was responsible for his mental health until he reached the age of majority... Take responsibility mom Quoted: people like her expect others to care and help their fucked up kid These... seeing mom there for a few moments, I can see why he did himself... |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 9:59:18 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And if he jumped off a building Stepped into traffic Stood in front of a train Drowned Cut his wrists Hung himself Ate too many flintstones vitamins What then? Sorry for the loss, but your sorrow doesn't have any bearing on the rights of others. There's no money for her in any of those... you know this bitch is suinf... |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:00:33 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When my son hung himself I didn’t try to make it more difficult for people to buy extension cords. When you suffer such a terrible loss, you try to deal with the pain of loss by closing the barn door too late. Don’t hate her. She is suffering unimaginable pain. you used logic to realize that the tool wasnt to blame. Shes a woman, driven by emotion like most of them, she never will. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 10:11:47 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it will save just one life! Think about the children. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: so, make it more difficult for EVERYONE else bc your son offed himself? If it will save just one life! Think about the children. Except when it's a clump of cells. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:03:44 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you used logic to realize that the tool wasnt to blame. Shes a woman, driven by emotion like most of them, she never will. There have been some who grasped the reality that the gun was just the tool chosen for the act and focused more on the fact that someone chose to commit the act. The woman who watched her parents die in a Texas restaurant, knowing that she could have stopped the nut committing murder if she hadn't complied with the existing laws and left her gun in her car, then decided that the laws had to change, is one example. Another is the father who lost a child in the Parkland school shooting, then decided that the problem was the "public servants" who had contributed to creating the situation and then did nothing to correct it or properly respond to it. There are others, but the mainstream media apparently wants them all forgotten, since those individuals reject the chosen narrative. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:06:17 PM EDT
[#39]
So if he walked in a hardware store and bought a rope would she do the same?
No. |
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