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Quoted: Wing chun is effective at fighting itself. The problems with it arise when the other guy won't stand in the correct intermediate range for it to work. No answer for long range attacks, and the clinch blows through it like it's not even there. ETA: the hand trapping techniques of WC work well when integrated into more effective styles. But if you're focused on trapping at the expense of distance management, guard, head movement, angles, etc. then you're gonna have a bad time in the ring with a boxer or kickboxer. View Quote Ip Man Wooden Dummy Real Speed HD |
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Not entirely. WC has some good and useful technique in real world application. I'm not convinced that dude was a master of anything but looking cool in front of his mirror. I studied WC for a brief stint. Don't remember many of the terms and just had a superficial grasp of the style and a few techniques (the ones I thought meshed well with my jjj). This is "running dog". The punches are more or less straight from your centerline in a running chain. They're hard to block against. And with good footwork, hard for your opponent to get off line. They're not meant to knockout, but more to overwhelm to allow bigger strikes to be employed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC6QCjXkVUI Pak sao and lop sao (trapping) work well when employed properly. I've used them to get shots in especially at the very beginning of contact. But if you spend all your time drilling a wooden dummy or playing pat-a-cake with a "sparring" partner, and not using them against a resisting opponent, they won't be there for you (same as any other technique) View Quote |
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Surprised it lasted that long. MMA has taught the world that 90% of martial arts is complete bullshit. View Quote Failed To Load Title |
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Self-proclaimed Wing Chun master who vows to prove that traditional Chinese kung fu is not just fancy moves gets knocked out by a kick-boxer in 74 seconds Ding Hao was humiliated by kick-boxer 'Tiger' at a packed arena in China The 29-year-old claims to be a descendant of Wing Chun master Ip Man His defeat sparked debate over the practicality of Chinese martial arts Ding Hao, who claims to be a descendant of Wing Chun master Ip Man, was humiliated in front of a live audience at a packed arena on Saturday in the Chinese city of Jiangmen. The 29-year-old was beaten to the ground in the first round, leading the viewers to question if he really knows Wing Chun, let alone be a master of it. Youtube video of fight Article in English View Quote |
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Martial arts have been dead in China since the 1949 communist takeover when martial arts were targeted as a threat to Mao. 29 years old? Master? I know a student of William Chung who was a student of Yip Man during the Bruce Lee days and almost 50 years later he refers to himself as humble student not master View Quote You won't ever see a real master or grandmaster get in a ring and compete. To become a real master/grandmaster is the pursuit of a lifetime. |
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Besides krav maga and some other stuff I take, I have been doing traditional kyudo for almost three years. Nisun nobi 16kg bow with 100cm arrows. Japanese teacher and all.
Is knowing how to do kyudo going to help me hunt with the bow and arrow or repel Invaders in my neighborhood? Doubtfull. Those things are what my rifles are for. But that's not why I do kyudo. I do it for meditation and relaxation. I could do golf but that's even more frustrating. Lol. It's all about what's appropriate for the situation. If you want to stick with traditional things that aren't appropriate for the situation, and those traditional things don't have an answer...well you adapt or suffer. If you can't go beyond a fighting technique's method / kata and apply any sort of strikes locks throws footwork etc at an appropriate time, then you are a slave to the technique and will never grow beyond them. You're just a kata collector. Sorry for the rant. |
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Prior to the advent of modern medicine, you couldn't really have a lot of full contact sparring sessions. The loss of even a few teeth was a life-changing injury, much less a torn ligament or tendon. That's why Rome used slaves as gladiators. So a lot of these older forms are outdated for that reason. View Quote |
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Just like the old cliche, "It's not the arrow, it's the Indian", in this case it's not the art, but the artist. Some people are naturally better fighters than others. Wing Chun guy may have never actually been in a real fight in his life. Or if he was, maybe he was in fights against guys who really sucked at fighting, so he got all big-headed and thought he was Billy Badass. I know some little guys with no training, but lots of speed and uncanny eye-hand coordination that can absolutely kick ass. I know some big guys that never have to fight because they're big guys. I don't think any one martial art is "better" than any other martial art - it's the fighter and how well he can fight that tell the tale. View Quote As the narrator in the the other video stated, non-fighter vs trained fighter. I've trained in Wing Chun, as well as trained in, and went to Thailand to fight Muay Thai (yeah, there aren't many high level Thai fighters in the 90kg weight class. Would've been better off going to Holland). I've used Wing Chun trapping techniques to knock out Muay Thai opponents. The reason that SO many of these traditional martial arts 'masters' get their ass handed to them, is because they don't fight. They're not fighters. They practice their art and love to make the claim, "Yeah, I could easily hurt someone/put them in the hospital if I wanted to". Have you ever tried fighting someone who's actually trying to put you down? No? Then it's just an assumption. The Wing Chun guy in this video has obviously never fought real opponents regularly (if at all). I've seen several Wing Chun fights. Both opponents were more scared of getting hit hard, than looking for the other guys weaknesses to exploit. Aside from the initial stance, he used about zero Wing Chun. No trapping, no Pak Sao, Bong Sao, Lop Sao. Wing Chun doesn't jam kicks with your shins the way Muay Thai does, but the front leg is kept light, and Wing Chun practitioners who actually fight and spar heavy contact will jam kicks. This dude never made a single attempt to jam those leg kicks. He made the classic mistake every guy who's never received leg kicks (and/or trained to defend against them) does, and starts dropping his hands. The setup that even the self-professed non-fighters could see from a mile away. He also didn't throw anything resembling Wing Chun punches. The punches he threw were the same punches I see untrained street brawlers throw. Sloppy arm punches, with minimal power. None of the straight/centerline punches common to Wing Chun, and none of the body torque common to any style that even includes heavy bag work as part of the regular training. The other video with the guy commentating was even funnier. The old dude in the traditional white, never even made any kind of defensive move when he got KO'ed by the first punch his opponent threw. Lol! Never done ANY kind of training that involves someone throwing an unscripted punch at you huh? Yep, plenty of martial arts 'masters' like that to be found. But I've trained with a lot of people and fought a lot. There are some guys who practice traditional martial arts styles, who CAN fight because they DO spar/fight regularly. I've seen a guy with an aikido background who realized the deficiencies in the style, so he began training in MMA, but he could surprise and catch guys with some of the aikido techniques. The art itself isn't wholly useless or ineffective. It's just that the style itself doesn't really emphasize combat, and/or train for it, and most of the practice is done with compliant partners. In his case, as he trained in MMA, he began trying some of the techniques he knew from Aikido, and realized some of them could be applied when the opportunity was there, other techniques rarely ever worked against a non-compliant opponent who would immediately punch you in the face. If you want to be able to fight, you need to train to fight, and then fight. Otherwise, it's all just for show. There's simply no contest in fights between a fighter vs a non-fighter. |
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Found a friend of mine, the son of my instructor, haven’t seen him since 2011 and apparently he’s gone bald
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Quoted: I disagree. He tried to use the traditional stance and Wing Chun moves in the beginning. It just didn't work. So he tried a boxing stance. He still lost. View Quote Phony Navy SEAL of the WEEK. Stolen Valor Morons of the Month by Retired SEAL Don Shipley |
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Quoted: JKD is just the way Lee described MMA in chinese. He started out with wing chun but he found it wanting pretty quickly. There's some issues with JKD not being an organized art so a lot of people claim to be qualified to instruct who shouldn't though. It's not so much that traditional arts are bullshit as some are just way better than others, none are really complete, there's always something more to learn. MMA has just provided constant experimentation and objective results on what works. View Quote Bruce Lee - Wing Chun |
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Quoted: The Okinawan's practiced full contact sparring. Some martial art's masters used their internal energy (Ki/Chi) to accept full power blows that would literally kill an ordinary man without sustaining any injury. See the world record kick to the groin episode of Fox Sport's Science on Youtube as one example. The Okinawan's would also practice breakfalls on hardwood floors with no mats. They were much tougher in those days and ligaments actually healed better before modern medicine got involve with the use of NSAID's. They also had their own methods of healing these types of injuries. View Quote |
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I've been on the receiving end of those kicks to the leg. They absolutely take the will to fight right out of a fella.
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Wing chun is the way of intercepting the fist....not the foot, I think I found the problem
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Bruce Lee had 6 years of instruction in WC. Here’s a video, his horse stance is completely wrong. Points to anyone who can explain why even the great Bruce Lee isn’t correctly doing it. Hint the first pics with Yip Man he’s more correctly doing it since he has Yip Man there to correct it and even then his head position is still wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LhRIk_yCQU View Quote Because he's an actor, not a fighter. |
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Wing chun is the way of intercepting the fist....not the foot, I think I found the problem View Quote Attached File Attached File |
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Why? Because he's an actor, not a fighter. View Quote Here’s a Bruce Lee gif not doing Wing Chun correctly, note the legs compared to Yip Man But the answer is located at his knees or if it’s easier compare his legs in pictures with Yip Man to the pics or video without Yip Man present to correct him. Wing Chun whole deal is not hands, it’s the “knees” / legs, without it, you don’t have wing chun. Attached File Attached File But Bruce Lee did spar. Example below How Good Really was Bruce Lee? | Real Sparring Analysis |
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Karate vs muay Thai.
Failed To Load Title Also the 70's a famous match between 5 Kung Fu and 5 Muay Thai fighters took place in the Lumphini Stadium in Bangkok. Chinese martial arts adepts came to prove themselves against Nak Muay. Thais won 5 out of 5 bouts in total. All of them in the first round by KO or TKO. They even agreed to fight bare-handed at the request of a Kung Fu practitioners who wanted to take an advantage of their fist techniques. They were helpless against Muay Thai and its techniques and fighting philosophy. As a matter of fact, there was no single recorded competition where Chinese martial artists prevailed against Thais in the ring. Muay Thai just proves to be better in a pro sport competitions. |
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Its not as simple as it used to be like in the early ufc events. There’s been lots of ufc champs and fighters with karate or tkd as their foundation like GSP. They just added to their skill set like everybody else. View Quote Kyokushin was the first full contact karate style, started in the early 1960s. It is a much better foundation than more traditional styles of karate. Something like TKD has lots of nice kicks, but isn't really a "foundation" IMO. It can give an edge when added to other stuff, but you absolutely actual fight sport training. |
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Quoted: The point is being proficient in several disciplines, not just one. View Quote Besides that is the rule set. Fight sports are defined by rules, not by a set of moves passed down from some long ago master. So not all fight sports are equal do to the rules. The sport's culture also likely plays into it. To really get striking down, I think they need to be trained seperatly, then integrated when you have the basic skills. |
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Quoted: Looks like he's giving a really unsatisfactory handjob. View Quote Wing Chun Sticky Leg Concepts Kenneth Chung "How to correctly contact the Wing Chun Dummy" |
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Quoted: Not sure you really learn to hit in WC. It is more of slap fight training. View Quote There’s no slaps. There’s “chops” to the neck, open palm usually to chest, neck or chin and punches. The primary goal is to control the opponent’s body by being close {closing the distance like a wrestler would, about arms length distance} then controlling the hands and driving thru their center kind of the way a tank drives thru shit in its way, using the power deriving from the legs moving forward but not the shoulders, hips and leg style of western boxing illustrated by this Gif Kenneth Chung "sun character punch" Double Punch Application Biu Jee Application |
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Prior to the advent of modern medicine, you couldn't really have a lot of full contact sparring sessions. The loss of even a few teeth was a life-changing injury, much less a torn ligament or tendon. That's why Rome used slaves as gladiators. So a lot of these older forms are outdated for that reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Prior to the advent of modern medicine, you couldn't really have a lot of full contact sparring sessions. The loss of even a few teeth was a life-changing injury, much less a torn ligament or tendon. That's why Rome used slaves as gladiators. So a lot of these older forms are outdated for that reason. On July 8, 1889, an estimated 3000 spectators boarded special trains for the secret location, which turned out to be Richburg, a town just south of Hattiesburg, Mississippi. The fight began at 10:30, and at first it looked like Sullivan was going to lose, especially after he vomitted during the 44th round. However, the champion got his second wind and was able to turn things around for himself. After a grueling beatdown, Kilrain's manager finally threw in the towel after the 75th round. |
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Karate vs muay Thai. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vyCY613UgM Also the 70's a famous match between 5 Kung Fu and 5 Muay Thai fighters took place in the Lumphini Stadium in Bangkok. Chinese martial arts adepts came to prove themselves against Nak Muay. Thais won 5 out of 5 bouts in total. All of them in the first round by KO or TKO. They even agreed to fight bare-handed at the request of a Kung Fu practitioners who wanted to take an advantage of their fist techniques. They were helpless against Muay Thai and its techniques and fighting philosophy. As a matter of fact, there was no single recorded competition where Chinese martial artists prevailed against Thais in the ring. Muay Thai just proves to be better in a pro sport competitions. View Quote |
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And yet today these magic men get knocked the fuck out by a guy with a good left hook. I don't buy the myth. View Quote It's only magic if you don't understand how it works. |
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ONCE UPON A TIME... In HOLLYWOOD. Cliff Booth vs Bruce Lee. CHARLES MANSON!! |
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Bas Rutten.
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Its not as simple as it used to be like in the early ufc events. There’s been lots of ufc champs and fighters with karate or tkd as their foundation like GSP. They just added to their skill set like everybody else. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass. |
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Quoted: Don't get me wrong, I think something can probably be taken from each of the martial arts. Machida for example had good success because of his karate skills. But he was definitely the exception, not the norm. It has been proven time and time again that fighters who are proficient in the 3 I mentioned above do best in the sport......or we can dumb it down even further by simply saying that having good skills in wrestling, ground game and stand up is what's necessary. My point was only that just being a master at one discipline will get your ass kicked by someone who is more well rounded. View Quote The issue with Judo is that it is jacket wrestling and jackets are not required in the ring. Also, Judo doesn't allow the wrestling style leg attacks that are usually the easiest takedowns. Karate/TKD have a lot of kicks that can add to MMA. Sidekick, spinning back kick, spinning heel kick, etc. A spinning heel kick can be a real fight ender if used right, but first you have to survive against an opponent with grappling and boxing skills. So you need grappling and boxing skills as well. |
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The Okinawan's practiced full contact sparring. Some martial art's masters used their internal energy (Ki/Chi) to accept full power blows that would literally kill an ordinary man without sustaining any injury. See the world record kick to the groin episode of Fox Sport's Science on Youtube as one example. The Okinawan's would also practice breakfalls on hardwood floors with no mats. They were much tougher in those days and ligaments actually healed better before modern medicine got involve with the use of NSAID's. They also had their own methods of healing these types of injuries. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Prior to the advent of modern medicine, you couldn't really have a lot of full contact sparring sessions. The loss of even a few teeth was a life-changing injury, much less a torn ligament or tendon. That's why Rome used slaves as gladiators. So a lot of these older forms are outdated for that reason. |
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Lot of haymakers for a Karate black belt. I wouldn’t wear a belt into a fight but that’s just me View Quote A karate guy with a traditional background might end up throwing haymakers in a full contact fight when his classical punches don't work. I got a black belt in karate in 1980. |
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Prior to the advent of modern medicine, you couldn't really have a lot of full contact sparring sessions. The loss of even a few teeth was a life-changing injury, much less a torn ligament or tendon. That's why Rome used slaves as gladiators. So a lot of these older forms are outdated for that reason. |
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