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Posted: 10/22/2019 9:56:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8cNQzV_BOM video starts at 1:00. Full power strikes to the throat, groin, and solar plexus. Many more examples as well.  World Record Kick to the Groin [Documentary] Shits retarded yo. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 9:57:23 PM EDT
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Dekker doesn't make many mistakes, but when he does, his opponent regrets it.
Classy in a loss, too. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:03:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously you didn't bother to look up the video. This Grandmaster and his students have been doing these demos for around 50 years now. They have taken the best shots from heavyweight boxing champions, NFL Super Bowl Champions, MMA Champions, American Gladiator's, etc. without ever even being knocked to their knees, let alone knocked out. There are over a dozen major TV specials featuring these demos, including the Fox Sport's Science World Record Kick to the Groin episode, Discovery Channel, TLC, Stan Lee's Superhumans, ABC Wide World of Sports, etc. It's only magic if you don't understand how it works. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:08:01 PM EDT
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It looks like he has had a good life and is surrounded by a good looking family. Good for him.  Emma performs Siu Nim Tao for Grandpa at San Jose Wing Chun BBQ 2015 |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:17:29 PM EDT
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It's not magic because it doesn't work. It's whoo whoo bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Obviously you didn't bother to look up the video. This Grandmaster and his students have been doing these demos for around 50 years now. They have taken the best shots from heavyweight boxing champions, NFL Super Bowl Champions, MMA Champions, American Gladiator's, etc. without ever even being knocked to their knees, let alone knocked out. There are over a dozen major TV specials featuring these demos, including the Fox Sport's Science World Record Kick to the Groin episode, Discovery Channel, TLC, Stan Lee's Superhumans, ABC Wide World of Sports, etc. It's only magic if you don't understand how it works. No magic involved, just a stupid amount of time getting kicked in the nuts and punched in the throat. The body just adapts to it. A person who put the same amount of pain and effort into not getting punched in the throat or kicked in the nuts can probably kick the guys ass anyway. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:25:51 PM EDT
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Yeah if you want to be a badass at fighting in UFC. UFC has rules. No kicking a man when he is down, No hand, arm or leg breaking/dislocating allowed, no throat or head stomping or junk kicking or eye gouging or throat crushin or biting etc. It isn't combat, it has rules, lots of them. If you want to be badass train to do the things I listed. Not to say the rules are good. They should ban gloves and basically go to the old rule set. An uncontrolled fight isn't the same as a UFC fight, but the real differences are not the things you listed. It is the sometimes predatory nature of a real attack, multipe opponents who keep stomping your skull after you can't defend yourself, etc. Not so much "dirty techniques", but other elements of uncontrolled fighting.  1956 Hong Kong Rooftop Fighting |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:31:00 PM EDT
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He's not the first to make this mistake
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell him to transition to BJJ. Probably not as hard on the body. We do throws at our school and that shit hurts after a while. Btw what’s your training history? Arts trained belts ranks etc. Not calling you out I’m genuinely curious you seem to be really knowledgeable about this stuff. Me, I’m just a 46 yr old BJJ purple belt with a 39 yr old blue belt wife. I had a background in karate when I was young ('77--'83), got a black belt in that, and crossed trained in a bunch of other stuff, mostly Judo, Aikido, and American Kenpo but some experience in a bunch of other stuff. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:44:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Early UFC had almost none of the rules you mention. Modern MMA fighters would slaughter the early ones. Not to say the rules are good. They should ban gloves and basically go to the old rule set. An uncontrolled fight isn't the same as a UFC fight, but the real differences are not the things you listed. It is the sometimes predatory nature of a real attack, multipe opponents who keep stomping your skull after you can't defend yourself, etc. Not so much "dirty techniques", but other elements of uncontrolled fighting.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTXtQogCNh4
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Much of Japanese karate has been sporterized as well. Before he went crazy dillman had some interesting theories. As toward grappling techniques in karate. In my opinion the problem with karate is that it is a theory based system traditionally practiced via forms. It's the fight sports that do well in MMA. Something like a karate reverse punch, starting with chambered fist, etc., is a stylistic technique that makes sense according to logic if you start with flawed principles. When people actually fight and trade punches they punch much more like a boxer. Of course when you include kicking and grappling your stance will be a bit different than in a boxing match. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:48:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, sure. Who says it's actually 1100 ft. lb. kick to the groin? Is it because he hit that dummy and it said 1100 ft. lbs? That dummy is not his balls, same with the "600 ft. lb. throat shot". Obviously you are a doctor or at the very least a medic if you know it would result in death within minutes without an emergency trach tube. If you are not a doctor, how do you know it would collapse a trachea resulting in death within minutes? I apologize if I am wrong but I don't think you are a doctor and if that's the case, you are talking out your ass. When you study classical/traditional martial arts, part of what you learn is anatomy. Any martial arts practitioner should know that a good strike (especially a high powered knife hand strike) to the throat/trachea will result in a collapsed trachea. Collapsed trachea = no bueno, you don't have to be a Dr. to know this stuff, it's part of any good martial arts training to know where to strike to disable your opponent. Also, as I've stated repeatedly, there are other videos out there of these demo's. One of the most recent ones is from Stan Lee and his superhumans show. They do the demo with impact sensors to record the force of each blow. They have a Dr. on standby to perform an emergency tracheotomy if needed. They explain very carefully to the viewer that not only is what they are about to see real but trying it at home will result in death. They even interview the mystified Dr. afterwards and ask him to explain what he just witnessed. Obviously, he can't as western medicine/science doesn't understand what the ancients knew. A solid kick to the groin like that can force your testicles up into your body, where they will swell and have to be surgically removed. No, I'm not a Dr. but you learn this stuff when you go to a real martial arts school, not a sport school geared towards competition. If the plethora of video demo's doesn't convince you guys you're welcome to seek out these martial artists and try it in person. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:54:10 PM EDT
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Guy I attended college with was sparring with someone else {not me} and fell, there were broken glass bottles and it was dark, turned out some glass went right thru his palm. We had to take him to the hospital. He was pissed. Super pissed. After that I noticed he wouldn’t spar anymore but I didn’t say anything and realized how badly affected him. I prefer a free for all spar myself but it can get hairy with steps, park benches and debris or garbage bags lying around https://crazygif.com/crazygif/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/drunk-boy-fall-into-trench.gif |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:54:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The impact sensor strapped to Justice's foot says it's 1100 ft. lbs. of force. There are other demo's out there showing similar results. Did you not see the big impact sensor strapped to his foot when he did the groin kick??? Did you not see the kick lift him completely off the ground? When you study classical/traditional martial arts, part of what you learn is anatomy. Any martial arts practitioner should know that a good strike (especially a high powered knife hand strike) to the throat/trachea will result in a collapsed trachea. Collapsed trachea = no bueno, you don't have to be a Dr. to know this stuff, it's part of any good martial arts training to know where to strike to disable your opponent. Also, as I've stated repeatedly, there are other videos out there of these demo's. One of the most recent ones is from Stan Lee and his superhumans show. They do the demo with impact sensors to record the force of each blow. They have a Dr. on standby to perform an emergency tracheotomy if needed. They explain very carefully to the viewer that not only is what they are about to see real but trying it at home will result in death. They even interview the mystified Dr. afterwards and ask him to explain what he just witnessed. Obviously, he can't as western medicine/science doesn't understand what the ancients knew. A solid kick to the groin like that can force your testicles up into your body, where they will swell and have to be surgically removed. No, I'm not a Dr. but you learn this stuff when you go to a real martial arts school, not a sport school geared towards competition. If the plethora of video demo's doesn't convince you guys you're welcome to seek out these martial artists and try it in person. 
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The impact sensor strapped to Justice's foot says it's 1100 ft. lbs. of force. There are other demo's out there showing similar results. Did you not see the big impact sensor strapped to his foot when he did the groin kick??? Did you not see the kick lift him completely off the ground? When you study classical/traditional martial arts, part of what you learn is anatomy. Any martial arts practitioner should know that a good strike (especially a high powered knife hand strike) to the throat/trachea will result in a collapsed trachea. Collapsed trachea = no bueno, you don't have to be a Dr. to know this stuff, it's part of any good martial arts training to know where to strike to disable your opponent. Also, as I've stated repeatedly, there are other videos out there of these demo's. One of the most recent ones is from Stan Lee and his superhumans show. They do the demo with impact sensors to record the force of each blow. They have a Dr. on standby to perform an emergency tracheotomy if needed. They explain very carefully to the viewer that not only is what they are about to see real but trying it at home will result in death. They even interview the mystified Dr. afterwards and ask him to explain what he just witnessed. Obviously, he can't as western medicine/science doesn't understand what the ancients knew. A solid kick to the groin like that can force your testicles up into your body, where they will swell and have to be surgically removed. No, I'm not a Dr. but you learn this stuff when you go to a real martial arts school, not a sport school geared towards competition. If the plethora of video demo's doesn't convince you guys you're welcome to seek out these martial artists and try it in person. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 10:57:22 PM EDT
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I have never heard of Wing Chun, but I am a Master of Chi Ken Wing.. I have wall plaques and a few t-shirts to prove it.
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:01:16 PM EDT
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I have never heard of Wing Chun, but I am a Master of Chi Ken Wing.. I have wall plaques and a few t-shirts to prove it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:08:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was late teens my friends and I would spar in the park at night, or in a driveway, etc. But no glass on the ground, and no stairs. IIRC the driveway was sloped. At we always did this at night. We were black belts in a local dojo, except the chick who sometimes trained with us, she ended up a blue belt IIRC. 1981 was fun.   Attached File |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:11:27 PM EDT
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and wrote a book? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/DA527418-5282-4018-B8E3-7ABEFB36B29A_jpeg-1134491.JPG |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:12:47 PM EDT
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Doesn't look like he knows Wing Chun at all. Wing Chun requires you to close the distance. His hands weren't in the nromal Wing Chun position but more of a boxing position. Wing Chun blocks don't block completely and you absorb some of the hit, but deliver heavier blows in exchange. Kick boxer weakened the Wing Chun man's stance by kicking several times to the right thigh. It also conditioned him to expect an attack against the right thigh and not a kick to the head. Bruce Lee used to condition his opponents that way. |
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:16:38 PM EDT
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Most of the videos I've posted are English language. I had to learn when only Cantonese was spoken and I only took 2 years of Mandarin in college. There's no slaps. There's "chops" to the neck, open palm usually to chest, neck or chin and punches. The primary goal is to control the opponent's body by being close {closing the distance like a wrestler would, about arms length distance} then controlling the hands and driving thru their center kind of the way a tank drives thru shit in its way, using the power deriving from the legs moving forward but not the shoulders, hips and leg style of western boxing illustrated by this Gif https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/4b/6a/f34b6a8f253f27d4bfdcdb8853743a4e.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D91oPNUZeaQhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/95268A21-521B-4716-B2B0-2ECAA460577F_jpeg-1134054.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb29idlhXAIhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/6E797CFB-A839-42FE-BE30-80C4CB082D6E_jpeg-1134088.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXRxjUxpowQuote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Not sure you really learn to hit in WC. It is more of slap fight training. There's no slaps. There's "chops" to the neck, open palm usually to chest, neck or chin and punches. The primary goal is to control the opponent's body by being close {closing the distance like a wrestler would, about arms length distance} then controlling the hands and driving thru their center kind of the way a tank drives thru shit in its way, using the power deriving from the legs moving forward but not the shoulders, hips and leg style of western boxing illustrated by this Gif https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/4b/6a/f34b6a8f253f27d4bfdcdb8853743a4e.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D91oPNUZeaQhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/95268A21-521B-4716-B2B0-2ECAA460577F_jpeg-1134054.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb29idlhXAIhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/459941/6E797CFB-A839-42FE-BE30-80C4CB082D6E_jpeg-1134088.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQXRxjUxpow
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:31:59 PM EDT
[#21]
Everybody wing Chung tonight.
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Posted: 10/22/2019 11:59:46 PM EDT
[#22]
You train at Trevor’s?
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:05:10 AM EDT
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass.  
MAYBE when fighting 1vs1, MAYBE Try wrestling when fighting several people (like if you get jumped by thugs in a parking lot) and you'll get your ass killed. Besides, a street fight vs a trained fighter is highly unlikely. You want to grapple with some Hep C+ methbilly? Go for it. So, no, UFC hasn't proven any such thing. AND UFC is highly structured and has all kinds of rules. The only rule in street fighting is "survive". Being able to strike effectively and defend against strikes is very, very important. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:06:10 AM EDT
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Early UFC had almost none of the rules you mention. Modern MMA fighters would slaughter the early ones. Not to say the rules are good. They should ban gloves and basically go to the old rule set. An uncontrolled fight isn't the same as a UFC fight, but the real differences are not the things you listed. It is the sometimes predatory nature of a real attack, multipe opponents who keep stomping your skull after you can't defend yourself, etc. Not so much "dirty techniques", but other elements of uncontrolled fighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTXtQogCNh4Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah if you want to be a badass at fighting in UFC. UFC has rules. No kicking a man when he is down, No hand, arm or leg breaking/dislocating allowed, no throat or head stomping or junk kicking or eye gouging or throat crushin or biting etc. It isn't combat, it has rules, lots of them. If you want to be badass train to do the things I listed. Not to say the rules are good. They should ban gloves and basically go to the old rule set. An uncontrolled fight isn't the same as a UFC fight, but the real differences are not the things you listed. It is the sometimes predatory nature of a real attack, multipe opponents who keep stomping your skull after you can't defend yourself, etc. Not so much "dirty techniques", but other elements of uncontrolled fighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTXtQogCNh4IMO, truly offensive (predatory) fighting is not even taught. The majority of modern MA is about defense, and countering the defense of the other guy. being a predator is no where in it. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:15:48 AM EDT
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I don't know shit about fighting (I know less than shit about fighting), but I know which of these two I'd really rather not take a punch from. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:18:02 AM EDT
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The impact sensor strapped to Justice's foot says it's 1100 ft. lbs. of force. There are other demo's out there showing similar results. Did you not see the big impact sensor strapped to his foot when he did the groin kick??? Did you not see the kick lift him completely off the ground? When you study classical/traditional martial arts, part of what you learn is anatomy. Any martial arts practitioner should know that a good strike (especially a high powered knife hand strike) to the throat/trachea will result in a collapsed trachea. Collapsed trachea = no bueno, you don't have to be a Dr. to know this stuff, it's part of any good martial arts training to know where to strike to disable your opponent. Also, as I've stated repeatedly, there are other videos out there of these demo's. One of the most recent ones is from Stan Lee and his superhumans show. They do the demo with impact sensors to record the force of each blow. They have a Dr. on standby to perform an emergency tracheotomy if needed. They explain very carefully to the viewer that not only is what they are about to see real but trying it at home will result in death. They even interview the mystified Dr. afterwards and ask him to explain what he just witnessed. Obviously, he can't as western medicine/science doesn't understand what the ancients knew. A solid kick to the groin like that can force your testicles up into your body, where they will swell and have to be surgically removed. No, I'm not a Dr. but you learn this stuff when you go to a real martial arts school, not a sport school geared towards competition. If the plethora of video demo's doesn't convince you guys you're welcome to seek out these martial artists and try it in person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Ok, sure. Who says it's actually 1100 ft. lb. kick to the groin? Is it because he hit that dummy and it said 1100 ft. lbs? That dummy is not his balls, same with the "600 ft. lb. throat shot". Obviously you are a doctor or at the very least a medic if you know it would result in death within minutes without an emergency trach tube. If you are not a doctor, how do you know it would collapse a trachea resulting in death within minutes? I apologize if I am wrong but I don't think you are a doctor and if that's the case, you are talking out your ass. When you study classical/traditional martial arts, part of what you learn is anatomy. Any martial arts practitioner should know that a good strike (especially a high powered knife hand strike) to the throat/trachea will result in a collapsed trachea. Collapsed trachea = no bueno, you don't have to be a Dr. to know this stuff, it's part of any good martial arts training to know where to strike to disable your opponent. Also, as I've stated repeatedly, there are other videos out there of these demo's. One of the most recent ones is from Stan Lee and his superhumans show. They do the demo with impact sensors to record the force of each blow. They have a Dr. on standby to perform an emergency tracheotomy if needed. They explain very carefully to the viewer that not only is what they are about to see real but trying it at home will result in death. They even interview the mystified Dr. afterwards and ask him to explain what he just witnessed. Obviously, he can't as western medicine/science doesn't understand what the ancients knew. A solid kick to the groin like that can force your testicles up into your body, where they will swell and have to be surgically removed. No, I'm not a Dr. but you learn this stuff when you go to a real martial arts school, not a sport school geared towards competition. If the plethora of video demo's doesn't convince you guys you're welcome to seek out these martial artists and try it in person. 
I've never actually met anyone who could deal with it, and I've spared a lot of people.
Even rear necked chokes are easily escaped. Keep your mind clear and calm, don't panic, reach back and find a finger, peel it back. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:20:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a BJJ purple at 56. I had a background in karate when I was young ('77--'83), got a black belt in that, and crossed trained in a bunch of other stuff, mostly Judo, Aikido, and American Kenpo but some experience in a bunch of other stuff.  HILARIOUS!!! Ed O'Neill's VERY First Class at the Gracie Jiu-Jitsu Academy |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:23:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's rather easy to keep a very good wrestler occupied and unable to apply effective holds with the pressure of one finger or thumb, if you know pressure points...
I've never actually met anyone who could deal with it, and I've spared a lot of people.
Even rear necked chokes are easily escaped. Keep your mind clear and calm, don't panic, reach back and find a finger, peel it back.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:25:13 AM EDT
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I don't know shit about fighting (I know less than shit about fighting), but I know which of these two I'd really rather not take a punch from.  Failed To Load Title  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:37:01 AM EDT
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Think of (almost) every "attack" a wrestler can make against you, they involve reaching out with their hands/arms.
Which opens up their underarms to attack. There are two pressure points right next to each other in your underarm. They are very sensitive, a thumb or finger pressed hard is enough to make someone take notice and get back, an actual strike there? Extremely painful. And like all good pressure points, adding muscle doesn't protect it very well if at all. Necks are also sensitive but people know to defend their necks, how many people practice to defend their underarm? And they can't really attack effectively when they are. And as for necks, you don't need to wrap an arm around one, simple finger or thumb pressure is enough to make someone back the fuck off, you don't even have to reach back for a strike. Several locations on the neck area are VERY sensitive to finger pressure, and muscling up won't help. If I keep this up, y'all are going to know all my secrets...
inner upper arm is another one (not as effective as the underarm), in the brachial artery area. There is also one on the upper forearm that is fairly sensitive. Someone grappling you will, by necessity, leave many pressure points undefended. If you believe ancient texts, some of them will kill a person if struck hard enough a single time (some deaths would likely be due to blood clots developing, IMHO). |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:44:43 AM EDT
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By the way the reason all these jackasses in China are running around pretending they know Wing Chun is because Yip Man was a Chinese nationalist and the Bruce Lee can’t teach foreigners controversy went back to those days when Chinese saw non Chinese as foreign barbarian threat {that mentality is back in full swing} who you’d never share “secrets” with. I only got exposed to Wing Chun because of my close ties to the Chinese community in the 80s but back in the 60s and 70s classes were all Chinese. The Chinese can be pretty racist
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:49:37 AM EDT
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Criminals Chinese mafia and Hong Kong police studied under him. While in the classroom no outside feuds allowed. Bruce Lee was wealthy enough to afford private lessons when he lived in Hong Kong. Yip Man used the $ for opium and to pay the bills
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:49:46 AM EDT
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:56:39 AM EDT
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Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is most telling about these fights between "traditional martial arts" and any MMA style fighter, aside from the weird stances to begin the fight, they all seem to do the same thing everyone else does after they get hit a few times. I've never seen the traditional guy maintain a funky stance or throw "traditional style" punches and kicks after he takes a few "real life" shots... |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:56:56 AM EDT
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Think of (almost) every "attack" a wrestler can make against you, they involve reaching out with their hands/arms. Which opens up their underarms to attack. There are two pressure points right next to each other in your underarm. They are very sensitive, a thumb or finger pressed hard is enough to make someone take notice and get back, an actual strike there? Extremely painful. And like all good pressure points, adding muscle doesn't protect it very well if at all. Necks are also sensitive but people know to defend their necks, how many people practice to defend their underarm? And they can't really attack effectively when they are. And as for necks, you don't need to wrap an arm around one, simple finger or thumb pressure is enough to make someone back the fuck off, you don't even have to reach back for a strike. Several locations on the neck area are VERY sensitive to finger pressure, and muscling up won't help. If I keep this up, y'all are going to know all my secrets...
inner upper arm is another one (not as effective as the underarm), in the brachial artery area. There is also one on the upper forearm that is fairly sensitive. Someone grappling you will, by necessity, leave many pressure points undefended. If you believe ancient texts, some of them will kill a person if struck hard enough a single time (some deaths would likely be due to blood clots developing, IMHO).  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 12:58:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Part of training in a legitimate martial art is getting punched in the mouth and learning how to deal with it on the fly without thinking.  Cobra Kai. Johnny Orders Punches To The Face |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:00:57 AM EDT
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Why do you assume there's no kickboxers/MMA athletes the same size as a football player? There are many. If it lasts more than thirty seconds most of the NFL fatties will be sucking wind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: There's a size, speed and violence differential that would leave most kick boxers piled in a corner pretty fast. Size really does matter If it lasts more than thirty seconds most of the NFL fatties will be sucking wind.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:03:14 AM EDT
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Impossibru
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:11:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm a BJJ purple at 56. I had a background in karate when I was young ('77--'83), got a black belt in that, and crossed trained in a bunch of other stuff, mostly Judo, Aikido, and American Kenpo but some experience in a bunch of other stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSSt5OQ4zHc |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:13:38 AM EDT
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Quoted: Part of training in a legitimate martial art is getting punched in the mouth and learning how to deal with it on the fly without thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5uFNFnRn9k |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:18:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was going to mention Bob Sapp, but his record is 24–39–1. 
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:34:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's rather easy to keep a very good wrestler occupied and unable to apply effective holds with the pressure of one finger or thumb, if you know pressure points...
I've never actually met anyone who could deal with it, and I've spared a lot of people.
Even rear necked chokes are easily escaped. Keep your mind clear and calm, don't panic, reach back and find a finger, peel it back. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 1:40:25 AM EDT
[#43]
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I'd agree with your last bit to a point. But the UFC was never about the stuff I listed. It is a sport. I mean you train a guy to do the things I listed in the most efficient ways possible, and you pit that guy with a person of equal size that trains constrained by the rules of a contest in which those things could get him disqualified, my guy is gonna win unless he slips on a banana peel. Eye gouge full contact and no one wants to train with you. An MMA fighter can easily adjust and use an eye gouge if needed. But not training in a full contact environment doesn't work. Now that said, rule can hurt you on some things, like not striking the back of the head or a grounded opponent. You would have to think to do it, it won't automatic. But the people training the dirty moves are not doing it full contact. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:04:17 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously you didn't bother to look up the video. This Grandmaster and his students have been doing these demos for around 50 years now. They have taken the best shots from heavyweight boxing champions, NFL Super Bowl Champions, MMA Champions, American Gladiator's, etc. without ever even being knocked to their knees, let alone knocked out. There are over a dozen major TV specials featuring these demos, including the Fox Sport's Science World Record Kick to the Groin episode, Discovery Channel, TLC, Stan Lee's Superhumans, ABC Wide World of Sports, etc. It's only magic if you don't understand how it works. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:07:47 AM EDT
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LOL, no. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It's rather easy to keep a very good wrestler occupied and unable to apply effective holds with the pressure of one finger or thumb, if you know pressure points...
I've never actually met anyone who could deal with it, and I've spared a lot of people.
Even rear necked chokes are easily escaped. Keep your mind clear and calm, don't panic, reach back and find a finger, peel it back. 1. knows pressure points and 2. has the clarity of thought to use that knowledge in a match. I once wrested someone (who was quite good by all accounts) for ~20 minutes straight (and blew a perfectly good buzz) using primarily my finger tips, just to see if I could do it. I'm not saying it's the "end all be all of fighting", but numerous wresting holds/maneuvers are easily defeated/countered with a finger or two pressed in the correct spot. When combined with the correct movement on your own part (to make use of the induced "leverage") they won't be able to get a good hold on you. Simply pressing on a PP is not an offensive move in itself, but it either allows you to escape or allows you to create opening for your own offensive maneuver. And striking PPs is a very valid offensive tactic. If someone piles on top of you, you don't have to be strong enough to lift them up, they will lift themselves up off of you when you stick your finger into the little notch at the base of their throat. (in and down) or in and up under the side of their jaw line. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:08:38 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryWoodley was a 2x all American wrestler at Missouri. That's where his takedown defense comes from, not some ancient bullshit Chinese discipline.
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:11:10 AM EDT
[#47]
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Woodley was a 2x all American wrestler at Missouri. That's where his takedown defense comes from, not some ancient bullshit Chinese discipline. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:15:03 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The impact sensor strapped to Justice's foot says it's 1100 ft. lbs. of force. There are other demo's out there showing similar results. Did you not see the big impact sensor strapped to his foot when he did the groin kick??? Did you not see the kick lift him completely off the ground? When you study classical/traditional martial arts, part of what you learn is anatomy. Any martial arts practitioner should know that a good strike (especially a high powered knife hand strike) to the throat/trachea will result in a collapsed trachea. Collapsed trachea = no bueno, you don't have to be a Dr. to know this stuff, it's part of any good martial arts training to know where to strike to disable your opponent. Also, as I've stated repeatedly, there are other videos out there of these demo's. One of the most recent ones is from Stan Lee and his superhumans show. They do the demo with impact sensors to record the force of each blow. They have a Dr. on standby to perform an emergency tracheotomy if needed. They explain very carefully to the viewer that not only is what they are about to see real but trying it at home will result in death. They even interview the mystified Dr. afterwards and ask him to explain what he just witnessed. Obviously, he can't as western medicine/science doesn't understand what the ancients knew. A solid kick to the groin like that can force your testicles up into your body, where they will swell and have to be surgically removed. No, I'm not a Dr. but you learn this stuff when you go to a real martial arts school, not a sport school geared towards competition. If the plethora of video demo's doesn't convince you guys you're welcome to seek out these martial artists and try it in person. |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:20:24 AM EDT
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$10,000 USD to your PayPal if you can cite where I ever stated Woodley’s take down defense came from ancient Chinese bullshit discipline. What will you put up if you can’t cite it? |
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Posted: 10/23/2019 2:29:45 AM EDT
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Yet all those you listed are martial arts UFC = MMA = Mixed Martial Arts Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The advent of the UFC has proven that most martial arts aren't very effective. BJJ/Muay Thai/Wrestling are what you need to be proficient in if you really want to be a badass. UFC = MMA = Mixed Martial Arts The gym I trained at was Muay Thai, BJJ, and boxing. That's pretty standard, you can replace Muay Thai with kickboxing and BJJ with something else + wrestling but there are many martial arts you will never find a serious MMA competitor train in. |
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