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Posted: 7/2/2018 2:40:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. They work very well at hanging up coats. And roasting marshmallows. And abortions. That's about it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 3:01:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2018 3:06:44 PM EDT
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The Dollar store is the only place I’ve found that still sells wire coat hangers, albeit they are the white painted slightly skinnier kind.
The government probably doesn’t want you to make dowsing rods. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:16:02 PM EDT
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. 
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:16:45 PM EDT
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GD would use dowsing rods to find IEDs |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:43:04 PM EDT
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Have had alot of ppl that i trust tell me it works Personally never tried or really cared either way. Reading all this makes me want to go give it a try though. Later after i get further into my drink ill give it a try
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:44:53 PM EDT
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. A Y from a peach tree in the spring is best, but one from an apple tree is a good substitute. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:45:32 PM EDT
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Before i get started what do the wires do if they sense the raping sasquach things. Id like as much heads up as possible if they are headed my way
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:45:47 PM EDT
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Have had alot of ppl that i trust tell me it works Personally never tried or really cared either way. Reading all this makes me want to go give it a try though. Later after i get further into my drink ill give it a try |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:45:56 PM EDT
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It's how Sasquatch finds water.
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:49:31 PM EDT
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I bet I can find a scientific paper that proves you wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. 
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:49:38 PM EDT
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Dousing isn't real 
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:53:05 PM EDT
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Dowsing is a process handed down to us by space aliens. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did they hand it down before or after the butt probe? |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:55:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2018 4:58:52 PM EDT
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The more you drink, the better it works. Fact. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have had alot of ppl that i trust tell me it works Personally never tried or really cared either way. Reading all this makes me want to go give it a try though. Later after i get further into my drink ill give it a try |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 5:00:14 PM EDT
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Define 'scientific'. Then go on to explain the difference between proof and statistical inference. Then, if those two sufficiently agree with general scientific practice, go find a paper that isn't in the Cracker Jack Journal of Purchased Citations that, in actuality, uses good, repeatable, blind methods and good statistical process to make sufficiently narrow and focused determinations and reasonable conclusions. I'll wait. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit Gordon Pennycook * James Allan Cheyne † Nathaniel Barr ‡ Derek J. Koehler † Jonathan A. Fugelsang † Abstract Although bullshit is common in everyday life and has attracted attention from philosophers, its reception (critical or ingen- uous) has not, to our knowledge, been subject to empirical investigation. Here we focus on pseudo-profound bullshit, which consists of seemingly impressive assertions that are presented as true and meaningful but are actually vacuous. We presented participants with bullshit statements consisting of buzzwords randomly organized into statements with syntactic structure but no discernible meaning (e.g., “Wholeness quiets infinite phenomena”). Across multiple studies, the propensity to judge bull- shit statements as profound was associated with a variety of conceptually relevant variables (e.g., intuitive cognitive style, supernatural belief). Parallel associations were less evident among profundity judgments for more conventionally profound (e.g., “A wet person does not fear the rain”) or mundane (e.g., “Newborn babies require constant attention”) statements. These results support the idea that some people are more receptive to this type of bullshit and that detecting it is not merely a matter of indiscriminate skepticism but rather a discernment of deceptive vagueness in otherwise impressive sounding claims. Our re- sults also suggest that a bias toward accepting statements as true may be an important component of pseudo-profound bullshit receptivity. 
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Posted: 7/2/2018 5:09:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about all the people on here that claim that they can dowse for all types of things? Are you calling them liars? |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 5:28:02 PM EDT
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During. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 5:35:06 PM EDT
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Dowsing rods are used to locate a fault of some sort, not locate and flag. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a guy shows up to flag a 24", 1200psi natural gas pipeline do you want witchin sticks, or a metrotech? DOT only allows one... My favorite thing about these threads are the people who are impressed with someone drilling a well and hitting water. Oh one more thing - as for the rods picking up that "moving water!" - water in aquifers moves at the rate of inches per day. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 7:31:03 PM EDT
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Another thread full of people that don't understand and flat out reject the ideomotor effect. Awesome. These are always great. Let's get @Subnet and @swingset in here. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 7:39:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they magically do whatever the diviner wants them to do. According to people here they can locate metal pipe, plastic pipe, aquifers (cause of the moving water! even though you can pick up pipes without moving water), other random buried objects, and you can use either wood or metal for the rods. My favorite thing about these threads that are the people who are impressed with someone drilling a well and hitting water. Oh one more thing - as for the rods picking up that "moving water!" - water in aquifers moves at the rate of inches per day. The reason why the old timers were so good at placing wells which continue to produce great yields today, while the younger guys are poking around in random placing drilling a bunch of dry holes is because old timers knew how to dowse. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 7:46:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has nothing to do with the paranormal. As far as I know, the coat hanger technique works solely on metal water pipes. I've never tried it on PVC. The biggest difficulty using this technique is finding a wire coat hanger. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 7:50:55 PM EDT
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What I find most interesting is the amount of old timers that come out of the woodwork raving against it. Almost as if they have an actual agenda--------------------- hmmmm? |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 7:53:56 PM EDT
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They'll give you fibromyalgia if you use them in the presence of wifi. Just ask any chiropractor. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 8:09:48 PM EDT
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The reason why the old timers were so good at placing wells which continue to produce great yields today, while the younger guys are poking around in random placing drilling a bunch of dry holes is because old timers knew how to dowse. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 8:36:25 PM EDT
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Another thread full of people that don't understand and flat out reject the ideomotor effect. Awesome. These are always great. Let's get @Subnet and @swingset in here. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 8:54:38 PM EDT
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Dousing does work but I don't think it would work with coat hangers.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dousing isn't real I can't see wood picking anything up. Otherwise what wood trees along rivers look like? |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 8:58:30 PM EDT
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http://journal.sjdm.org/15/15923a/jdm15923a.pdf On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit Gordon Pennycook * James Allan Cheyne † Nathaniel Barr ‡ Derek J. Koehler † Jonathan A. Fugelsang † Abstract Although bullshit is common in everyday life and has attracted attention from philosophers, its reception (critical or ingen- uous) has not, to our knowledge, been subject to empirical investigation. Here we focus on pseudo-profound bullshit, which consists of seemingly impressive assertions that are presented as true and meaningful but are actually vacuous. We presented participants with bullshit statements consisting of buzzwords randomly organized into statements with syntactic structure but no discernible meaning (e.g., “Wholeness quiets infinite phenomena”). Across multiple studies, the propensity to judge bull- shit statements as profound was associated with a variety of conceptually relevant variables (e.g., intuitive cognitive style, supernatural belief). Parallel associations were less evident among profundity judgments for more conventionally profound (e.g., “A wet person does not fear the rain”) or mundane (e.g., “Newborn babies require constant attention”) statements. These results support the idea that some people are more receptive to this type of bullshit and that detecting it is not merely a matter of indiscriminate skepticism but rather a discernment of deceptive vagueness in otherwise impressive sounding claims. Our re- sults also suggest that a bias toward accepting statements as true may be an important component of pseudo-profound bullshit receptivity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit Gordon Pennycook * James Allan Cheyne † Nathaniel Barr ‡ Derek J. Koehler † Jonathan A. Fugelsang † Abstract Although bullshit is common in everyday life and has attracted attention from philosophers, its reception (critical or ingen- uous) has not, to our knowledge, been subject to empirical investigation. Here we focus on pseudo-profound bullshit, which consists of seemingly impressive assertions that are presented as true and meaningful but are actually vacuous. We presented participants with bullshit statements consisting of buzzwords randomly organized into statements with syntactic structure but no discernible meaning (e.g., “Wholeness quiets infinite phenomena”). Across multiple studies, the propensity to judge bull- shit statements as profound was associated with a variety of conceptually relevant variables (e.g., intuitive cognitive style, supernatural belief). Parallel associations were less evident among profundity judgments for more conventionally profound (e.g., “A wet person does not fear the rain”) or mundane (e.g., “Newborn babies require constant attention”) statements. These results support the idea that some people are more receptive to this type of bullshit and that detecting it is not merely a matter of indiscriminate skepticism but rather a discernment of deceptive vagueness in otherwise impressive sounding claims. Our re- sults also suggest that a bias toward accepting statements as true may be an important component of pseudo-profound bullshit receptivity. 
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:03:35 PM EDT
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Arfcom has an embarrassing number of dowsetards.
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:06:54 PM EDT
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Yep. They work very well at hanging up coats. And roasting marshmallows. And abortions. That's about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I've used coat hangers. They work. And roasting marshmallows. And abortions. That's about it. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:07:17 PM EDT
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Dad and I used 2 wire hangars to find metal objects. He tended to lose lots of stuff like keys in big sawdust piles. Worked every time. Remember that the human body gives off an EM field. All you are doing is creating an interference point in that EM field.
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:08:11 PM EDT
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I can teach you how to witch, but we won't be using any of that wire silliness. A Y from a peach tree in the spring is best, but one from an apple tree is a good substitute. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. A Y from a peach tree in the spring is best, but one from an apple tree is a good substitute. If you’re going to make shit up, go for broke.... |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:08:34 PM EDT
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Arfcom has an embarrassing number of dowsetards. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:08:37 PM EDT
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It's how Sasquatch finds water. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:10:32 PM EDT
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Dad and I used 2 wire hangars to find metal objects. He tended to lose lots of stuff like keys in big sawdust piles. Worked every time. Remember that the human body gives off an EM field. All you are doing is creating an interference point in that EM field. More physics please... this could get good. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:13:31 PM EDT
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The wire from surveyor’s flags works beautifully to bend into dowsing rods. Lighter and more sensitive than coat hanger wire. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:20:54 PM EDT
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It's a plastic line with no liquid in it. Witchin sticks won't work because there's really no magnetic disruption in the ground/no conductor. GPR would pick it up depending on how far down it is we're talking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a guy shows up to flag a 24", 1200psi natural gas pipeline do you want witchin sticks, or a metrotech? DOT only allows one... |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:22:38 PM EDT
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. I have seen screen names that I respect and/or considered intelligent actually defending this retarded shit. I want to believe that it's a massive troll effort but I am sadly becoming convinced that these people really are that stupid.
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:27:44 PM EDT
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Electricity and magnetism. If you understand them well enough, you can understand how dowsing might work.
For something that many of you claim doesn't work, it seems to have an awfully high and consistent success rate.  Don't you just hate it when you can't explain why something works and despite all your jumping up and down and stomping your feet and yelling "That can't possibly work!", there's a guy out there right now who's actually using it with a very impressive success rate? In my time working for the phone company I was taught the dowsing for buried cable trick and guess what? It worked. Every. Single. Time. Even when the 3m/Dynatel cable locator system gave questionable results, dowsing with lengths of ground wire always found the cable and it never, ever missed. The cable was right under the crossing points. In places I'd never been, with cables that didn't appear on any documents I had access to. Only a fool denies the evidence in front of him. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:31:01 PM EDT
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. In my case I witnessed the late Bill Botton, a master gunsmith and machinist who used to build race guns from scratch for competitors, using bent metal rods, locate a broken sewer line on his lawn. Just because we don't know yet why it works, or why it doesn't always work, does not make it "para" anything. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:31:47 PM EDT
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Dad and I used 2 wire hangars to find metal objects. He tended to lose lots of stuff like keys in big sawdust piles. Worked every time. Remember that the human body gives off an EM field. All you are doing is creating an interference point in that EM field.
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:32:16 PM EDT
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Electricity and magnetism. If you understand them well enough, you can understand how dowsing might work. For something that many of you claim doesn't work, it seems to have an awfully high and consistent success rate. Don't you just hate it when you can't explain why something works and despite all your jumping up and down and stomping your feet and yelling "That can't possibly work!", there's a guy out there right now who's actually using it with a very impressive success rate? In my time working for the phone company I was taught the dowsing for buried cable trick and guess what? It worked. Every. Single. Time. Even when the 3m/Dynatel cable locator system gave questionable results, dowsing with lengths of ground wire always found the cable and it never, ever missed. The cable was right under the crossing points. In places I'd never been, with cables that didn't appear on any documents I had access to. Only a fool denies the evidence in front of him. The Randi tests were the most interesting I saw. The protocols were agreed upon by both sides, and amusingly enough the rods "worked" when it wasn't a blind test, yet when the double blind part was introduced, it performed no better than random chance, and often worse. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:34:50 PM EDT
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So a guy who didn't use them is your prof that they work?
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:38:02 PM EDT
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Electricity and magnetism. If you understand them well enough, you can understand how dowsing might work. For something that many of you claim doesn't work, it seems to have an awfully high and consistent success rate.
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:40:51 PM EDT
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I always tell myself that all the people who claim to believe in this stuff are just trolling. ... because I refuse to believe they can actually be that fucking stupid. On the reception and detection of pseudo-profound bullshit Gordon Pennycook * James Allan Cheyne † Nathaniel Barr ‡ Derek J. Koehler † Jonathan A. Fugelsang † Abstract Although bullshit is common in everyday life and has attracted attention from philosophers, its reception (critical or ingen- uous) has not, to our knowledge, been subject to empirical investigation. Here we focus on pseudo-profound bullshit, which consists of seemingly impressive assertions that are presented as true and meaningful but are actually vacuous. We presented participants with bullshit statements consisting of buzzwords randomly organized into statements with syntactic structure but no discernible meaning (e.g., “Wholeness quiets infinite phenomena”). Across multiple studies, the propensity to judge bull- shit statements as profound was associated with a variety of conceptually relevant variables (e.g., intuitive cognitive style, supernatural belief). Parallel associations were less evident among profundity judgments for more conventionally profound (e.g., “A wet person does not fear the rain”) or mundane (e.g., “Newborn babies require constant attention”) statements. These results support the idea that some people are more receptive to this type of bullshit and that detecting it is not merely a matter of indiscriminate skepticism but rather a discernment of deceptive vagueness in otherwise impressive sounding claims. Our re- sults also suggest that a bias toward accepting statements as true may be an important component of pseudo-profound bullshit receptivity. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:41:38 PM EDT
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Dousing isn't real |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:44:18 PM EDT
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Electricity and magnetism. If you understand them well enough, you can understand how dowsing might work. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:50:29 PM EDT
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For something that many of you claim doesn't work, it seems to have an awfully high and consistent success rate. The half dozen or so in this thread who are quite snarkily confident in their ability to dowse should go submit themselves to one of the experiments and retire on the winnings. |
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Posted: 7/2/2018 9:57:03 PM EDT
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Where does Bigfoot get wire hangers, smart guy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's how Sasquatch finds water. |
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