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Posted: 8/27/2016 4:48:59 PM EDT
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How does that failure even happen in flight? 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 4:52:36 PM EDT
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Gremlins?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 4:54:32 PM EDT
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How does that failure even happen in flight? 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 4:58:01 PM EDT
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. Quit worrying. You'll die before have time to be scared. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 4:58:27 PM EDT
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. I only feel that way on a prop job. And that is me rationalizing since I can see the spinny thing spinning. Logically I know shit is spinning inside a jet engine I just do not think about it. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:02:32 PM EDT
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I dont think SW normally flies into Pensacola so it should be interesting to see how they get the plane fixed.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:03:43 PM EDT
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I dont think SW normally flies into Pensacola so it should be interesting to see how they get the plane fixed. Brookley in Mobile used to repair airliners, but I think that entire place is an Airbus factory now. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont think SW normally flies into Pensacola so it should be interesting to see how they get the plane fixed. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:06:21 PM EDT
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Blades look ok, aren't the cowls designed to pass overtop the wing in the airstream to prevent damage? And you know the blades are okay how? I've seen a 1cm long piece of scrap safety wire cause over $20,000 in damages. (To an F100-PW-220) I guarantee that motor suffered some FOD damage. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:09:03 PM EDT
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And you know the blades are okay how? I've seen a 1cm long piece of scrap safety wire cause over $20,000 in damages. (To an F100-PW-220) I guarantee that motor suffered some FOD damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Blades look ok, aren't the cowls designed to pass overtop the wing in the airstream to prevent damage? And you know the blades are okay how? I've seen a 1cm long piece of scrap safety wire cause over $20,000 in damages. (To an F100-PW-220) I guarantee that motor suffered some FOD damage. First pic in the OP is pretty low res but blade tips appear damaged to me. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:10:15 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure the ring cowl is coded under the engine in our system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting engine malfunction. Txl Not an engine malfunction. Purely structural. Interesting as inlet lips are pretty well built. sure, but a powerplant guy isnt going to fix it, a structures guy will. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:13:18 PM EDT
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Ask for volunteers, send them out with a new engine, engine change equipment, etc. Probably pay some other airline ten grand a day to use their hangar. Fly it home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I dont think SW normally flies into Pensacola so it should be interesting to see how they get the plane fixed. Yep. Not terribly uncommon. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:13:54 PM EDT
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And you know the blades are okay how? I've seen a 1cm long piece of scrap safety wire cause over $20,000 in damages. (To an F100-PW-220) I guarantee that motor suffered some FOD damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Blades look ok, aren't the cowls designed to pass overtop the wing in the airstream to prevent damage? And you know the blades are okay how? I've seen a 1cm long piece of scrap safety wire cause over $20,000 in damages. (To an F100-PW-220) I guarantee that motor suffered some FOD damage. yup. The entire thing is coming off, and after scoping, extensive rebuild by the manufacturer. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:14:34 PM EDT
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Yep. Not terribly uncommon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I dont think SW normally flies into Pensacola so it should be interesting to see how they get the plane fixed. Yep. Not terribly uncommon. The Iron Maiden plan 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:14:40 PM EDT
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Front fell off? Wonder where it landed? probably pretty finely shredded confetti after getting sucked through the turbine |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:15:48 PM EDT
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And people wonder why I hate flying.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:18:17 PM EDT
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I would be downing my entire bottle of xanex on that flight. While shitting my brains out in the bathroom. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:18:46 PM EDT
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Yikes. Glad they all made it down safely. Looks like they narrowly escaped a much bigger disaster as some of the engine parts impacted the fuselage and could have cause much worse problems. Strange that some parts hit the fuselage, considering that the cowling doesn't move - perhaps they hit a flock of birds or something. Weird. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:18:55 PM EDT
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine.
Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:19:05 PM EDT
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Read the ticket: some settling will occur during shipping and handling
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:21:27 PM EDT
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Blades look ok, aren't the cowls designed to pass overtop the wing in the airstream to prevent damage? Can a 737 make it down on one engine? Comments: True... I was on that flight. Southwest offers to return money paid for ticket , $500 Southwest Voucher, & "Possibly" reimburse you for car rentals. Really Southwest...Possibly.
707 737 747 777 don't matter One engine will have have no problem getting you to the crash site |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:23:01 PM EDT
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I bet seat replacements are needed on the window seats near that gash.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:23:45 PM EDT
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I saw a -200 flying around yesterday. Skinny engines and all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.
Domestic? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:25:19 PM EDT
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I saw a -200 flying around yesterday. Skinny engines and all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.Did it have the old Continental livery? Saw one puttering around on the tarmac in DEN a few weeks ago. Made me do a double take. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:26:40 PM EDT
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.Mechanic I used to work told me about a time when he was doing a static run on a -200 when the fire watch got ate. Lived to tell about it and supposedly got a settlement out of it because he hadn't been properly trained or some bullshit. I'm hoping the settlement was just some rumor that came about after the fact, how much fucking training do you need to stay the fuck away from the inlet of a turbofan, especially one running at power 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:32:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Domestic? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.Domestic? ETA: It was these guys  |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:33:06 PM EDT
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Things certainly went south.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:33:15 PM EDT
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Blades look ok, aren't the cowls designed to pass overtop the wing in the airstream to prevent damage? Can a 737 make it down on one engine? The running engine will take you all the way to the scene of the crash. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:34:51 PM EDT
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No, it stopped in mid-air and they got a big ass crane out to lower it back to the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Blades look ok, aren't the cowls designed to pass overtop the wing in the airstream to prevent damage? Can a 737 make it down on one engine? No, it stopped in mid-air and they got a big ass crane out to lower it back to the ground. That only happens if the 2nd engine stops, then you get stuck up there
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:37:30 PM EDT
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Mechanic I used to work told me about a time when he was doing a static run on a -200 when the fire watch got ate. Lived to tell about it and supposedly got a settlement out of it because he hadn't been properly trained or some bullshit. I'm hoping the settlement was just some rumor that came about after the fact, how much fucking training do you need to stay the fuck away from the inlet of a turbofan, especially one running at power Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Knew a guy that got sucked into a 737 engine. Luckily it was a -200. He was back to work that week. This was over 20 years ago. shit, I'm old.Mechanic I used to work told me about a time when he was doing a static run on a -200 when the fire watch got ate. Lived to tell about it and supposedly got a settlement out of it because he hadn't been properly trained or some bullshit. I'm hoping the settlement was just some rumor that came about after the fact, how much fucking training do you need to stay the fuck away from the inlet of a turbofan, especially one running at power I can't speak to the settlement thing, but the guy I knew was doing a trim on a jet fuel control and had his David Clark plugged into the panel at the nose of the plane. The cord running to the nose got sucked in and jerked him off of his feet and into the danger zone. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:38:51 PM EDT
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Front fell off? Wonder where it landed? Probably the Gulf of Mexico. NOLA to Orlando flight is mostly over water. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:40:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how much fucking training do you need to stay the fuck away from the inlet of a turbofan, especially one running at power |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:42:34 PM EDT
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No "Before" photo to compare it to?
Looks like the little plastic color trim piece broke away. I don't see the big emergency.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 5:56:23 PM EDT
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Since there isn't a YouTube video taken by a passenger, should I take that to mean this happened instantaneously?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:05:06 PM EDT
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Looks like they had to bring in the big hose to clean all the shit out of the crappers after that.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:12:43 PM EDT
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I'm glad the passengers, crew and plane landed safely. Way too many planes going down today.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:15:47 PM EDT
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Anti- ice over pressure? Maybe the cowling exhaust got plugged by something.
Either way, I can't believe the anti- ice duct is still relatively straight or even there at all. Those things are pretty thin. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:16:17 PM EDT
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A lot of the nose cowl is still there. I'm curious to know what caused this as well.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:18:22 PM EDT
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Oh shit, talk about a butt pucker moment.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:23:00 PM EDT
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Bet that was exciting.
Another reason why you never sit in the plane of rotation of the props/fans/turbines. They're supposed to contain, but as the puncture between the windows show, supposed to doesn't mean will. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:27:27 PM EDT
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The most frightening part to me is, to me at least, it looks like the leading edge of the wing where it connects to the fuselage also took an impact; it looks a little crumpled. I wonder how much stress a damaged wing can take before it fails in mid air, especially at that location.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The most frightening part to me is, to me at least, it looks like the leading edge of the wing where it connects to the fuselage also took an impact; it looks a little crumpled. I wonder how much stress a damaged wing can take before it fails in mid air, especially at that location. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:33:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a lot of empty space there. The forward wing spar is a good ways behind that skin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The most frightening part to me is, to me at least, it looks like the leading edge of the wing where it connects to the fuselage also took an impact; it looks a little crumpled. I wonder how much stress a damaged wing can take before it fails in mid air, especially at that location. The hardest fix will be repairing the scab patch on the fuselage when they fly it back to a heavy base. Last time I did that we had to shore up the whole plane and change out the entire skin section, to high stress of an area for any sort of patch. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:36:09 PM EDT
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Looks like a complete puncture to the fuselage skin.
Edit: how does a cowling failure punch a hole through the fuselage. My first guess would have been a (fan) blade out but it looks like they are all there (and as I stated, even a fan blade is supposed to contain). Barring that unlikely scenario, simple structural failure of the inlet; either a crack that went unnoticed until catastrophic or some form of external damage due to something like a bird strike. As for puncturing the fuselage: my guess is it would take a piece of fan blade (although it looks like only the tips are missing) to have enough mass to penetrate like that. The relatively thin, light weight sheet metal and soundproofing in the inlet isn't going to do that. The inlet is an integral part of the blade out containment system but if the inlet is missing and/or causes blade damage, all bets are off. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:40:34 PM EDT
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Oh dear God no!!! Exactly this! I thought I was being paranoid... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Delta_Airlines_Flight_1288_Engine_Failure.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Great - every time I sit in a seat next to the engine, all I can think about is the engine breaking apart with bits and pieces penetrating the fuselage decapitating me. This doesn't help. You mean like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_1288 Oh dear God no!!! Exactly this! I thought I was being paranoid... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Delta_Airlines_Flight_1288_Engine_Failure.jpg That was due to a fan disk failure...and that's probably never going to contain. Again, don't sit in the plane of rotation. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:41:45 PM EDT
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Get the speed tape! And half a dozen new seat cushions. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:42:39 PM EDT
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Bet it was compressor stalling like a mother... Airflow into the engine had to be all jacked up. TC ETA: smiling bandit beat me to it. Don't know if a compressor stall would bend that metal but that metal might cause a compressor stall. I'm sure it stalled after the failure; failure due to a stall is highly unlikely. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:43:20 PM EDT
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I take comfort in the fact that I will be blown up, cut to pieces, drown, die from lack of air, eaten by a shark, freeze to death or eaten by wolves in my next plane ride.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 6:44:55 PM EDT
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Wonder if it had an inlet replaced very recently? Or never. If you forced me to guess, fatigue crack in the inlet. Once a chunk of it came out, the rest quickly followed. |
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