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Posted: 5/9/2023 10:14:14 PM EDT
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i agree but i bet he would have been one fun motherfucker to hang out with
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Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today.
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True. But he was a big loudmouth who could back it up.
So, average guy says “That T.R. is a helluva guy. I’m Voting for him!!” |
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progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history.
trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. |
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He was a dichotomy…
In one sense he was a progressive. In another sense he saw the reality that the industrial age was going to fuck the average man hard and wreck the natural world in the process. In that sense he was a visionary. “Ted Kaczynski was right” -Teddy Roosevelt (probably) |
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Quoted: progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history. trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. View Quote So unprecedented Gov expansion? |
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We'd have been better off if both Roosevelts were set adrift on the Atlantic instead of made president. Especially as the state they came from was run entirely by the mob.
Then again, that's kind of true of a number of presidents. Teddy at least had some populist sympathies. His nephew, on the other hand, was a corrupt authoritarian subversive traitor who should have been shot. |
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Misreading history is a GD tradition. He'd be considered right of Pinochet by today's standards. WTF is wrong with y'all?
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Quoted: progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history. trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. View Quote All true. But he did not send mean tweets. That makes him trash to 87% of GD. |
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He really pushed himself into the Spanish American war. Whatever his reasoning he definitely backed it up.
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He's been canceled by New York so he couldn't have been too bad.
They completely scrubbed him from the Natural History museum. |
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If you hunt, you have Teddy Roosevelt to thank for much of your opportunity.
Whatever you think of the rest of his policies, he was a visionary when it came to conservation. |
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Quoted: Progressive 100+ years ago is not the same thing as progressive today. View Quote This. He was a badass, and backed it up with his actions. No nonsense, no bullshit, and no whining. Motherfucker was shot during a speech, laughed it off, and continued speaking! Few could ever claim to be as iconic an American as Theodore, and they’re all dead. |
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Quoted: He did a shitload of good things. He did some bad stuff too, just like you and me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: you can't judge him by now, you've got to judge him from then you know, the opposite of what the left likes to do He did a shitload of good things. He did some bad stuff too, just like you and me. the difference here is that nothing bad i've done can be used as a stepping stone to fuck up the country even moar |
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Quoted: Quoted: progressive ? yes. most progressive president in history. trash. thats gotta be a troll post. he was the most popular president in history. his progressive agenda had to do with things like ending child labor, breaking trusts and similar stuff. he built up american military prior to wwI. he was one of the great men of his age. So unprecedented Gov expansion? for its time yes. american business was dominated by a few very powerful, rich men who made the rules. all the rules. you wanted to work, or sell you produce as a farmer, you took what the big guy offered and you were screwed regardless. you want your kids to spend 60 hours a week working in bad conditions? that was what went on at the time. you were a farmer? either you took what the big guy charged to get your product to market or it rotted in the field. life is a balance. what do you think would have eventually happened if someone like tr hadnt done things to break up the big trusts? revolution, as in marxist revolution. marxist ideas were already a thing in this country. using the government to somewhat level the playing field prevented things for swinging wildly the other way eventually. some folks believe in absolutes. like no government intervention at all. if you adhere to such nonsense, your are naive. this is not to say things have swung to far in the other way currently. |
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Quoted: Complicated subject. Preface: My view is the government is only good to stop the tragedy of the commons. View on trustbusting: Breaking up the Standard Oil trusts was probably over all a bad move. As, the government replaced standard oil trying to balance the oil industry’s boom and bust cycle: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/148484/B643C93B-B226-4C7C-8749-051596ED00F3-2663325.jpg That being said, its later usage is good. Monopolies are not a great thing. That being said, government created duopolies or oligarchies in business are not that great either. That is where we’re at. Creation of the national forests and parks: Hands down the best thing anyone has done in the last 120 years or so. Arguably the defining point of being “American” in a way, rugged individualism. Having space, to go practice that. Creation of labor laws: As someone who’s business, was actually in business then - creation of some labor laws is good. That being said, like anything government can ruin anything. Slippery slope and all. But, mine safety, child labor, etc. separates us from third world shit holes. Build up of the military: Completely depends on your view of the military. I personally think pre-WW2, it was a good thing. However now, again - slippery slope - things go down hill. Military industrial complex has also taken over in a way. View Quote Well stated, I agree 100%. |
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Quoted: Discuss View Quote Theodore Roosevelt and the Progressive Era: Sample from Tom Woods's Liberty Classroom Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. ETA: the man screwed up the office of the presidency and made it matter far more than it ever should have. It's only gotten worse since. |
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Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-yboiw0d8 Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. View Quote Tom Woods on arfcom? Based. |
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Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-yboiw0d8 Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. Tom Woods on arfcom? Based. I have my disagreements with him ideologically, but the history stuff he puts out is pretty good. |
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Quoted: I have my disagreements with him ideologically, but the history stuff he puts out is pretty good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-yboiw0d8 Teddy was ... to be polite ... a real piece of work. Do not like that man at all. Tom Woods on arfcom? Based. I have my disagreements with him ideologically, but the history stuff he puts out is pretty good. Agreed. I'm not a libertarian but he is definitely worth paying attention to. I feel the same about Tucker. |
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Quoted: He was awesome View Quote I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. |
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Quoted: I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. View Quote Like the love affair some have with Putin |
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He wasn't progressive relative to the progressives of his time
98% of conservatives today are gay libtards compared to him |
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He helped get the CMP established because the Spanish American war illustrated how bad our soldier's marksmanship was.
Establishment of the CMP. |
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Quoted: I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He was awesome I have seen an awful lot of this over the years. Seems to conform to the idea that if you act like you aren't a wimp, you can trample the hell out of cotus and sanity, and some conservatives will love you for it, because they pay attention to your bluster and ignore whatever else you do. This and he was doing things that the idiots thought were benefitting them but in fact onky benefitted his pals. He grew govt and was no conservative Calvin Coolidge is about as good as it gets re conservatives |
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I bet this pisses y'all off. This is my Teddy Roosevelt Commemorative Winchester model 94.
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I think you have to view Roosevelt in the context of his era.
In a lot of ways, him cracking down on big oil and rail would be like Trump cracking down and breaking up Facebook and Twitter. In once sense it’s a violation of free enterprise. In another sense, it’s absolutely warranted in the context of the situation. He was a conservative that was faced with the reality that small government libertarianism didn’t seem to work in the industrial era. We hadn’t yet seen that neither did socialism. We’re still trying to figure it out. |
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Quoted: Quoted: All true. But he did not send mean tweets. That makes him trash to 87% of GD. Expanding the Fed gov did that. You could argue that George Washington, leading an Army to force citizens to pay unfair taxes, (Whisky Rebellion)was a large expansion of Government power |
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Quoted: I bet this pisses y'all off. This is my Teddy Roosevelt Commemorative Winchester model 94. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/124978/win94_jpg-2811627.JPG View Quote i wanted to be pissed, i really did but i'm not, not even a little. do better. |
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