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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:49:22 PM EDT
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I live in a place that looks fairly conservative. We currently have no elected democrats in office at the county level and will vote about 94% for Trump.
But looks can be deceiving. The no elected democrats is not really true. Many were originally elected as democrats, only to change shirt color as trends changed. When our county judge resigned, the county commissioners voted to replace him with a "republican" who had only voted in a republican primary once in their life. When the republican party chose a different candidate to represent us in the election (by precinct chair vote, as it was too late to hold a primary), he not only has failed to endorse the republican candidate, but attacked him, gone on public record that the system that failed to nominate him (the precinct chairs) is corrupt. Then funded a democratic challenger with a side deal that the democrat will step down so the commissioners can put him back on the bench. My next door neighbor is the neighboring county's sheriff - he went out of his way to get me to endorse this democrat with a red shirt. This son of a bitch interim judge is going to get us a democrat in the highest political elected office in the county - because corrupt democrats are good and honest republicans are "corrupt". --- I only have one issue with the republican candidate. While he is pro gun - he is actively against citizens organizing to protect themselves. I think his quote is - that is the last thing we need, a bunch of men running around with guns playing militia. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:49:33 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Proving my point that guy most likely to win is the guy with the least to lose Not at all. The point is not about who wins but about who acts and when. Eventually, when pushed enough, even the most timid accountant can go full H.L. Mencken. Then, the winning and losing falls on different parameters. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Target #1 is the person with bullhorn directing the mob to do mob things. Evacuate the brain case for maximum psychological effect. IIRC this is sniper 101 for the Marine sniper school. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:51:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is, what I surmise, the newb wants people to say. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just won't say what I'm thinking should my posts be brought up in court. Which is, what I surmise, the newb wants people to say. Negative, I just get tired of the repetitive goofy shit I read in these threads, especially when it’s paired with the endless Monday morning quarterbacking of someone like Rittenhouse, or even the McCloskeys. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:53:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Oh, the Israeli model works for them. Gut shoot the guy with the Molotov. Wait till he shows up at a hospital. Then interrogate him till he leads you up the ladder. After he outs everyone, then he can get medical attention.
I don't think we will ever be doing that in America. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You speak with extreme certainty and zero knowledge of individual circumstances. I have one person in my neighborhood that I can count on.. the rest are either old, cranky liberals or young, BLM-signs-in-the-yard liberals. All this talk of organized fire teams having each other's backs is higher fantasy than the original scenario. And no, "just move" isn't a realistic response. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hogwash. First off, the violent ones will be dead. Second, the entire neighborhood will be on watch. Ever heard of something called "Neighborhood Watch"? There's a reason they call it that. Duh. You speak with extreme certainty and zero knowledge of individual circumstances. I have one person in my neighborhood that I can count on.. the rest are either old, cranky liberals or young, BLM-signs-in-the-yard liberals. All this talk of organized fire teams having each other's backs is higher fantasy than the original scenario. And no, "just move" isn't a realistic response. This. I have little interest in joining a "militia" with a bunch of strangers. But I would like to have an organized response ahead of time if my neighborhood looks to become Mostly Peaceful (tm). That's impossible with my central Austin neighbors for the most part. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So...if someone in the crowd pops say... a smoke grenade, or 10 of them. In the ensuing confusion gunfire is heard and when the smoke clears there are bodies everywhere. Who fired the shots? The fairy fuckin ' godmother. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative, I just get tired of the repetitive goofy shit I read in these threads, especially when it’s paired with the endless Monday morning quarterbacking of someone like Rittenhouse, or even the McCloskeys. But what’s also repetitive and goofy is the old “you’re just an angry keyboard warrior in your basement who won’t do anything” meme. We get it. You’re edgy and a super operator. Thanks for letting us all know. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem. If you fight that battle and win (drop a dozen and the rest GTFO), the law will see to it that your life is over. If you fight that battle and lose, the mob will ensure that your life is over. You're better off not fighting that battle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. That's the problem. If you fight that battle and win (drop a dozen and the rest GTFO), the law will see to it that your life is over. If you fight that battle and lose, the mob will ensure that your life is over. You're better off not fighting that battle. ^ you're saying you'd let them burn your house down? Question, as you run out into the street and they start beating you, your wife, and kids, at what point will you fight back? |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:57:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Suppressed 22 in the balls from cover not attributable to your home.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:58:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did not see many people running for their lives in the Kenoshaw videos. They are growing more and more accustom to gunfire it appears - perhaps that is why the powers that direct them are having them explode fireworks - so when guns start going off they will not realize the shit just hit the fan. --- I personally have worried a bit about arson. I have had a shit load of stuff stolen from my ranch over the years. It has all been "entitlement" thefts so far. He is not using it, so who will care if we steel it - we deserve the money more than he does. Most were old tractor implements stolen for scrap iron), or stuff from a mostly deserted ranch house. If I did get some game cams and got good pictures, odds are nobody would go to jail for long - but the chance of a random fire would go up 100 fold. As for "random" fires, we had over 100 tons of feed burn one Thanksgiving. At least I am completely sure that one was not intentional, but having gone through 2 fires - I tend to believe arson would be a simple crime for an asshole to get away with. Arson is never a default determination. If there isn't positive eyewitness, confessional, or clear physical evidence left for the fire marshal who is usually a sworn police officer and detective, as well as a firefighter, cannot declare it arson. So it is actually pretty easy to get away with. And then even if it's clearly arson, connecting it to a particular suspect is a whole other level of difficulty to surmount. What saves most arson investigations is that nutty firebugs and crazy revenge arsonists aren't all that smart and aren't running on careful planning software in any case. Someone who wasn't nutty and emotionally invested in fire-setting because they are nuts, but was setting shit on fire dispassionately and with purpose, could conceivably get away with it for a long, long time or even forever. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:59:09 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. We've already learned that the magic number of rioters you need to shoot before they back off is three. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all. The point is not about who wins but about who acts and when. Eventually, when pushed enough, even the most timid accountant can go full H.L. Mencken. Then, the winning and losing falls on different parameters. “Eventually” is a very common refrain. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:59:45 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative, I just get tired of the repetitive goofy shit I read in these threads, especially when it’s paired with the endless Monday morning quarterbacking of someone like Rittenhouse, or even the McCloskeys. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just won't say what I'm thinking should my posts be brought up in court. Which is, what I surmise, the newb wants people to say. Negative, I just get tired of the repetitive goofy shit I read in these threads, especially when it’s paired with the endless Monday morning quarterbacking of someone like Rittenhouse, or even the McCloskeys. So stop reading them. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:00:34 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. You pop a few, the rest will scatter. They aren't brave. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:02:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Eventually” is a very common refrain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not at all. The point is not about who wins but about who acts and when. Eventually, when pushed enough, even the most timid accountant can go full H.L. Mencken. Then, the winning and losing falls on different parameters. “Eventually” is a very common refrain. Eventually is that point when the cost of doing nothing becomes greater than the cost of doing. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:02:31 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But what’s also repetitive and goofy is the old “you’re just an angry keyboard warrior in your basement who won’t do anything” meme. We get it. You’re edgy and a super operator. Thanks for letting us all know. Agreed, both are repetitive and goofy. No argument from me on that. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:03:02 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem. If you fight that battle and win (drop a dozen and the rest GTFO), the law will see to it that your life is over. If you fight that battle and lose, the mob will ensure that your life is over. You're better off not fighting that battle. North Dakota represent! You pretty much typify every ND'er I met while I was there. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:03:26 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. Drop more than a few instead then? I mean if they have you surrounded it's not like evacuating is all that great a plan conversely. Not to mention, last time I checked the only time you can have too much ammo is when you are drowning or on fire, and well , it sounds like they plan to light you on fire so you may as well get rid of as much of it as you can as quickly as you can (may as well start with loaded mags for ease of course) 
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So stop reading them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just won't say what I'm thinking should my posts be brought up in court. Which is, what I surmise, the newb wants people to say. Negative, I just get tired of the repetitive goofy shit I read in these threads, especially when it’s paired with the endless Monday morning quarterbacking of someone like Rittenhouse, or even the McCloskeys. So stop reading them. It’s pretty much all that gets posted around here since March. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:03:34 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Negative, I just get tired of the repetitive goofy shit I read in these threads, especially when it’s paired with the endless Monday morning quarterbacking of someone like Rittenhouse, or even the McCloskeys. Welcome to the internet? Maybe a newspaper is what you seek. You have to wait a day. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:04:13 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You pop a few, the rest will scatter. They aren't brave. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. You pop a few, the rest will scatter. They aren't brave. There have been plenty of instances over the last four months when that has proven to be demonstrably false. Never under estimate your opponent. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:04:36 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: just remember after you deal with the mob, prepare to deal with the Armored troop carriers and full stack of the local, state, and federal swat teams coming through your door. First one goon squad, then another... |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:05:32 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There have been plenty of instances over the last four months when that has proven to be demonstrably false. Never under estimate your opponent. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. You pop a few, the rest will scatter. They aren't brave. There have been plenty of instances over the last four months when that has proven to be demonstrably false. Never under estimate your opponent. No kidding. The Kenosha Kid shot a few and they just kept coming. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:06:22 PM EDT
[#25]
Bring it on
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:06:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:07:16 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. You call Billy Bob and his friends and invite them over for a party. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:07:31 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lighting a molotov cocktail would be demonstrating capacity, capability and intent, yes? Correct me if I'm wrong, buuut that's a green light, yes? Damned right. It would be an indisputable defense in most cases. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:08:08 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s pretty much all that gets posted around here since March. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just won't say what I'm thinking should my posts be brought up in court. Which is, what I surmise, the newb wants people to say. Negative, I just get tired of the repetitive goofy shit I read in these threads, especially when it’s paired with the endless Monday morning quarterbacking of someone like Rittenhouse, or even the McCloskeys. So stop reading them. It’s pretty much all that gets posted around here since March. Yet, after five months of reading this repetitive goofy crap, you decided to make an account. Makes sense to me.  |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:09:48 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One man vs a mob is retarded, just bad tactics. But if that's how you chose to take your stand, that's what you get. Better approach is having local quick response teams of friends that can flank the mobs and get at them from other angles if things go sideways. To paraphrase an earlier post; "How do you assault that objective? You just threw a Molotov, and now *someone* just shot you in the pelvic girdle from a random direction and *someone* else is now picking off anyone who pulls out a firearm" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. There is some truth here. a single house is very difficult to defend realistically without a team. all it takes is one cocktail getting on the roof. One man vs a mob is retarded, just bad tactics. But if that's how you chose to take your stand, that's what you get. Better approach is having local quick response teams of friends that can flank the mobs and get at them from other angles if things go sideways. To paraphrase an earlier post; "How do you assault that objective? You just threw a Molotov, and now *someone* just shot you in the pelvic girdle from a random direction and *someone* else is now picking off anyone who pulls out a firearm" Tactics win the day. Must be nice to have friends in neighborhood who've got your back 
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:11:37 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. What we have seen is that when some get shot, the others start to take it seriously. When Kyle starting laying them out the others decide not to close distance. However, the right answer is community defense, where the armed men of the community (and some of the more capable women) take up arms as a group. The other factor is the DAs and LEOs, who often seem more interested in protecting rioters than stopping riots. It seems to me a community response is needed to deal with them as well. Note that the left has decided on the mob. We didn't decide that, but at some point it naturally becomes mob vs mob. And at some point it makes sense to become proactive. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:11:41 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you imagine how effective a few belt fed 12ga implacments with 00 buck would be at crowd control? I've got a pistol grip classic 11-87 that holds 11 rounds of 00 2 3/4 and it's pretty fast loading. Keep a cylinder choke in it unless I'm turkey hunting. 
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:12:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem. If you fight that battle and win (drop a dozen and the rest GTFO), the law will see to it that your life is over. If you fight that battle and lose, the mob will ensure that your life is over. You're better off not fighting that battle. You won't fight to protect your family and home. What kind of a wimp would do such a thing? |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:13:19 PM EDT
[#34]
Very interesting conversation being had here tonight.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:13:37 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Christ I hope I never have to count on you in a fight.... He'd shoot you in the leg to slow you down while he ran off. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:13:39 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Atlanta in the South? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Notice how they arent pulling this shit in the South? No coincidence. Is Atlanta in the South? Routine stuff that would have been a complete non-incident a year ago, not even worth adding a third or fourth sentence to a police report, could now easily become the next flashpoint and rallying cry for these groups carrying out these mob actions. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:13:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. I love the reference. Hopefully their buddy catching a round in the face changes their mind. Sooner or later this is going to happen. 10-15 dead terrorists, and 1 dead homeowner whose wife and kids will perish in the ensuing arson fire. Then all bets are off. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:17:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem. If you fight that battle and win (drop a dozen and the rest GTFO), the law will see to it that your life is over. If you fight that battle and lose, the mob will ensure that your life is over. You're better off not fighting that battle. Time to change your panties, pussy boy. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:17:58 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rural South has guns and backhoes and plenty of places to dig holes. And i run both quite well... |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:18:27 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet, Kenosha... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. Hardly. These aren't Japanese banzai soldiers awaiting glory by dying for the Emperor. Unless you somehow draw the short stick of confronting the hardest or the hard leftists, these are the same guys who call the police when their shoes catch on fire and get their lines busted up by four cops bum rushing them. Yep. These aren't hardened warriors who have watched buddies die with pieces of them missing. When they see a comrade screaming in pain rolling on the ground holding a wouded body part they are not likely to have the training or motivation to stand there and take it themselves. Maybe after many many engagements, but not right now. And yet, Kenosha... |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:19:51 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a flammable liquid that won't melt water balloons? Alcohol, I suppose, but it won't burn dramatically. 95% alcohol burns with an invisible flame during daylight. It's every bit as dramatically aflame as gasoline would be, even more in a sense, but you can't see it except some wavery heat distortions. You can easily be running and run right into your own personal reprise of the Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego story without the miracle protection. You can shape and blow soda glass with a little perfume bottle alcohol lamp; it burns way hotter than gasoline in STP situations. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:21:09 PM EDT
[#42]
Yeah. It’s gonna be extremely clear which side I’m on.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:21:13 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Other problem being that was a fucking movie. At any rate, Wyatt had 3+ pals watching his ass the whole time. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:23:23 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed, both are repetitive and goofy. No argument from me on that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But what’s also repetitive and goofy is the old “you’re just an angry keyboard warrior in your basement who won’t do anything” meme. We get it. You’re edgy and a super operator. Thanks for letting us all know. Agreed, both are repetitive and goofy. No argument from me on that.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:27:52 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fairy fuckin ' godmother. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So...if someone in the crowd pops say... a smoke grenade, or 10 of them. In the ensuing confusion gunfire is heard and when the smoke clears there are bodies everywhere. Who fired the shots? The fairy fuckin ' godmother. I guess they got miracled dead, gunny. 
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:29:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off, but you never know. I would be shocked if all the cases of self defense prosecuted get off. And even if they do, they'll be in deep debt and ruined. No consequence for the DA's and people attempting these lynchings so they'll keep doing it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How do you even deal with a mob that size threatening to burn you out? You can drop a few, but they're just going to Zergling rush you. You drop a few, they will leave. For that night, sure.. but now I'm jammed up, possibly in custody, and my wife is home alone for the reprisal wave. These fucks don't learn and they don't take 'no' for an answer. I'm not saying I won't fight that fight, just saying there are not a lot of good outcomes here. Complete and utter nonsense. You think you'll be alone in this fight? How many million has Kyle's defense team been able to raise? How many patriots are willing to stand up for you and protect your wife? More than they have, that's for damn sure. Besides, my wife is more likely to start pulling the trigger and not stop until there's nobody left to shoot at. Kyle was alone fighting and he is alone in jail. Maybe he gets some money thrown his way now. Little late for that. He lost his freedom, he may or may not get it back. I am sure of the many charged there will be some convictions. Yes I think if it comes to it, I'll be alone. There is many like us, sure but we aren't united and organized. He was alone because the concept of a battle buddy and team tactics weren't impressed upon him. Besides, while he may be incarcerated, he is absolutely NOT alone. He's got millions of well wishers (and people donating to his cause). He will be freed most likely sooner than later. He's the poster boy for the right to self defense, he won't get convicted of anything. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off, but you never know. I would be shocked if all the cases of self defense prosecuted get off. And even if they do, they'll be in deep debt and ruined. No consequence for the DA's and people attempting these lynchings so they'll keep doing it. A lot of you guys need to get over this wank fantasy that your life is going to fade off beautifully into the sunset on 100 acres and a private pond surrounded by grandkids with cane poles and ice cream cones. If that's you right now then congratulations, enjoy it because you earned it. If you think that's going to be you in 25 years then you have a big old nasty pill to swallow because we've only been doing this shit for 7 months and look where we're at. You won't be allowed to pursue that future for yourself, facist. It's becoming more and more obvious that we are going to have to secure that dream for our kids because our job is going to be one of restoration. "I'm in debt, I'm ruined boo fucking hoo hoo." None of that matters when being a rich old happy fat fuck isn't an option anyway. You're in debt? You're ruined? GOOD. That's when it's time for YOU to take the fight to THEM. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:30:03 PM EDT
[#47]
And to think people here laughed about having Beta-Mags and D60s just 8 months ago.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:33:30 PM EDT
[#48]
let them burn it down, I'll get my insurance money and GTFO of town.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:39:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I felt scared. They were threatening to burn my house down. I thought me and my family were going to die. I want to speak to my lawyer. End of statement. IANAL, but I don't think that part would be wise. If you are not sure about what happened, then how do you defend your actions? |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:39:54 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love the reference. Hopefully their buddy catching a round in the face changes their mind. Sooner or later this is going to happen. 10-15 dead terrorists, and 1 dead homeowner whose wife and kids will perish in the ensuing arson fire. Then all bets are off. Nvm but ya |
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