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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:27:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would floor drains be needed? Matt Graver found some other effective methods that didn't require any water.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUbfGwY4FcoQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Missing the rooms with floor drains. Why would floor drains be needed? Matt Graver found some other effective methods that didn't require any water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUbfGwY4FcoLooks expensive. Water is cheaper. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You... you really asked for someone to post that info on a public forum. I can’t even come up with a snarky response. You’ve rendered me temporarily incapable of higher level thought. Yes. How in the world are these blacksites in keeping with the idea of the consent of the governed?  Sneakers "no more secrets" The very idea that Americans are supposed to vote, live, and hold elected officials accountable when the most significant and important things being done are completely concealed from them is an exercise in lying and getting normal people to accept abuse. I can't meaningfully consent to a relationship with someone who is married, has multiple STDs, is sleeping with me to blackmail me, and will have a crazy spouse hunt me for doing doing so if I'm not told. Any criticism of the deep state that doesn't begin with the Gladio type operations done in American's names, with all the blowback that comes from them and how things evolved from that is simply misinformed and wrong. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Treadstone site. They shut that down though. No longer needed. Naw, those are always pretty basic and located within an office building.....except the training/test sites in the wilderness. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:30:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/yQOEgRw-67.gif Extraordinary Rendition is one hell of a way to meet new people in places you never thought you'd get to travel to. Fuck it! Travel is travel. 
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen a weapon locker that looks anything like that. It's something else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Data center doesn't explain the lockers on the inside of the door. Weapons lockers? Even secure data centers I've been in didn't require me to leave my phone. the good news is, looks like you're getting a hell of a generator! I've never seen a weapon locker that looks anything like that. It's something else. the bar under it? what's it for? handcuffs? shackles? or hearing protectors for the sound from the mainframes? |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:31:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree. You can see the tile popper in one picture. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This was an AT&T data center. It was built into a neighborhood because it was a rare geographic location in the DFW area that had the capability to hook the building into two completely separate power grids. Take the tin foil off. Agree. You can see the tile popper in one picture. 10-4 agree. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:35:32 PM EDT
[#7]
Cool place for a high end car collection and to work on them
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:37:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ITT we find people trying to shame others for not being familiar with outdated, niche applications and laughing that they're not among the <.5% of the population who've ever had any experience with them, and laughing at people for not having insanely obscure niche experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In this thread we learn who's never been in an AT&T legacy datacenter. This is like a much scaled down version of Datasite Orlando, a former $30M AT&T datacenter. Just missing the moat out front. ITT we find people trying to shame others for not being familiar with outdated, niche applications and laughing that they're not among the <.5% of the population who've ever had any experience with them, and laughing at people for not having insanely obscure niche experience. Or, just maybe those people who think their ignorance gives them the expertise to identify a "CIA Blacksite." Maybe that. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:38:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or, just maybe those people who think their ignorance gives them the expertise to identify a "CIA Blacksite." Maybe that. Lol, unless you're gonna post pictures of CIA blacksites and help us identify real ones, then this is just stooges of the intelligence community flexing and believing they're better than people who are ignorant, not stupid. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:40:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or, just maybe those people who think their ignorance gives them the expertise to identify a "CIA Blacksite." Maybe that. I saw the "CIA Blacksite" on 4chan prior to this being posted on GD. Guessing just a C/P |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:40:11 PM EDT
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I work in the telcom business and have been a few data centers. That building is a unique, but a little dated, attempt at a discreet data center or communication hub. I wonder how much fiber is going in there and from which directions. I am sure they are picking up some along the interstate corridor, but I don't see an other obvious meetups nearby. I honestly wish we had something like that for sale here; my company could use a smallish data center like that. That building to the north is a little odd as well...
Edit: Yup, the unit in 13352 Blossomheath Lane is another near identical unit. I see AT&T fiber flags in the area which is probably marking the underground fiber feeds for both sites. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:41:24 PM EDT
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Covert server farm
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They do but that's not what this is... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just a pumping station. That is how they hide them in residential areas. I helped build a couple of those in the mid-eighties, they were much smaller than that building. |
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:51:54 PM EDT
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Isn't their a zoning issue with something like this?
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Posted: 7/28/2021 11:56:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or, just maybe those people who think their ignorance gives them the expertise to identify a "CIA Blacksite." Maybe that. Lol, people know a thing exists and is hidden from them and have imperfect knowledge and their speculation is wrong. These people are stupid and should never speculate about that which they know exists but do it wrong. Fuck asking about mysteries like god, the meaning of life, philosophy, or science for that matter. Democritus was a fucking dumbfuck for coming up with atomic theory but getting specifics wrong. I mean, ffs, he thought there were SHARP atoms! Fucking dumbass. Peasant. Disgusting. Aristotle was a fucking 'tard. I mean sure, he gave us the basis of much of modern philosophy, but he gave us the idea of "humors" which impacted medical science and led to retardation of medical progress for millenia. Fucking DUMBASS. And the theory of miasma or bad air transmitting disease? Fucking PATHETIC. I mean sure, there is in fact disease spread by droplets and in fact through the air, and sure the swamps and stenches were in fact coincident with bad plumbing, and the indications of bad drainage was coincident with standing water and mosquitoes and malaria in Italy that wasn't solved until Mussolini, but anyone that attempts to solve a problem they know exists but gets any specific wrong is a fucking peasant jackass retard that should be shat upon by all involved. Trying to understand anti-democratic covert activities by the intelligence community? Sit back Cletus, and let your betters collect their GS salaries and forget scrutiny. You're a fucking paypig peasant. Don't you DARE question your betters. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 12:01:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, people know a thing exists and is hidden from them and have imperfect knowledge and their speculation is wrong. These people are stupid and should never speculate about that which they know exists but do it wrong. Fuck asking about mysteries like god, the meaning of life, philosophy, or science for that matter. Democritus was a fucking dumbfuck for coming up with atomic theory but getting specifics wrong. I mean, ffs, he thought there were SHARP atoms! Fucking dumbass. Peasant. Disgusting. Aristotle was a fucking 'tard. I mean sure, he gave us the basis of much of modern philosophy, but he gave us the idea of "humors" which impacted medical science and led to retardation of medical progress for millenia. Fucking DUMBASS. And the theory of miasma or bad air transmitting disease? Fucking PATHETIC. I mean sure, there is in fact disease spread by droplets and in fact through the air, and sure the swamps and stenches were in fact coincident with bad plumbing, and the indications of bad drainage was coincident with standing water and mosquitoes and malaria in Italy that wasn't solved until Mussolini, but anyone that attempts to solve a problem they know exists but gets any specific wrong is a fucking peasant jackass retard that should be shat upon by all involved. Trying to understand anti-democratic covert activities by the intelligence community? Sit back Cletus, and let your betters collect their GS salaries and forget scrutiny. You're a fucking paypig peasant. Don't you DARE question your betters. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Or, just maybe those people who think their ignorance gives them the expertise to identify a "CIA Blacksite." Maybe that. Lol, people know a thing exists and is hidden from them and have imperfect knowledge and their speculation is wrong. These people are stupid and should never speculate about that which they know exists but do it wrong. Fuck asking about mysteries like god, the meaning of life, philosophy, or science for that matter. Democritus was a fucking dumbfuck for coming up with atomic theory but getting specifics wrong. I mean, ffs, he thought there were SHARP atoms! Fucking dumbass. Peasant. Disgusting. Aristotle was a fucking 'tard. I mean sure, he gave us the basis of much of modern philosophy, but he gave us the idea of "humors" which impacted medical science and led to retardation of medical progress for millenia. Fucking DUMBASS. And the theory of miasma or bad air transmitting disease? Fucking PATHETIC. I mean sure, there is in fact disease spread by droplets and in fact through the air, and sure the swamps and stenches were in fact coincident with bad plumbing, and the indications of bad drainage was coincident with standing water and mosquitoes and malaria in Italy that wasn't solved until Mussolini, but anyone that attempts to solve a problem they know exists but gets any specific wrong is a fucking peasant jackass retard that should be shat upon by all involved. Trying to understand anti-democratic covert activities by the intelligence community? Sit back Cletus, and let your betters collect their GS salaries and forget scrutiny. You're a fucking paypig peasant. Don't you DARE question your betters. Damn son, National Geographic has less issues than you. Some photos of some old comms center for some old utility or such has really got you riled up. Maybe they are trying to get to your precious bodily fluids. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 12:04:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't their a zoning issue with something like this? Zoning and such is probably 110% why it looks like a house and not a concrete block. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 12:16:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn son, National Geographic has less issues than you. Some photos of some old comms center for some old utility or such has really got you riled up. Maybe they are trying to get to your precious bodily fluids. Lol if you think the government is hiding bad things from you you're just being paranoid. Who hurt you Bubba? Sounds awfully like a conspiracy theory.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 12:16:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I helped build a couple of those in the mid-eighties, they were much smaller than that building. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 6:14:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Datacenters need gun lockers and interview rooms? Those aren't gun lockers and what makes an office an "interview room"? A window? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 6:22:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the bar under it? what's it for? handcuffs? shackles? or hearing protectors for the sound from the mainframes? Looks like a conduit line, not a weight baring "bar". |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 6:28:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the bar under it? what's it for? handcuffs? shackles? or hearing protectors for the sound from the mainframes? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Data center doesn't explain the lockers on the inside of the door. Weapons lockers? Even secure data centers I've been in didn't require me to leave my phone. the good news is, looks like you're getting a hell of a generator! I've never seen a weapon locker that looks anything like that. It's something else. the bar under it? what's it for? handcuffs? shackles? or hearing protectors for the sound from the mainframes? Probably a coat hanger or something similar. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 7:10:34 AM EDT
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The raised floor does not have any cooling tiles/rows.
Could be they replaced them to remove the old equipment out I suppose. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:05:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The raised floor does not have any cooling tiles/rows. Could be they replaced them to remove the old equipment out I suppose. All depends on when the raised floor was built. Was in several in the early 2000s that had all cooling handled above the floor as below the floor was a nightmare of cables. Thankfully Google/Facebook/Amazon started some good data center standards around 2005 or so that other companies actually picked up and used. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:11:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: definately NSA The yellow corner protectors give it away. https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/ed61e564e36c1c4b5285f2588b55952e-cc_ft_384.jpg If this was built by AT&T they would not have put the yellow posts, but since it was a govt contract the yellow posts are mandatory. This, they types of bollards in Arlington tend to give away federal office buildings. I'm surprised the windows aren't green glass. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:17:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or, just maybe those people who think their ignorance gives them the expertise to identify a "CIA Blacksite." Maybe that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In this thread we learn who's never been in an AT&T legacy datacenter. This is like a much scaled down version of Datasite Orlando, a former $30M AT&T datacenter. Just missing the moat out front. ITT we find people trying to shame others for not being familiar with outdated, niche applications and laughing that they're not among the <.5% of the population who've ever had any experience with them, and laughing at people for not having insanely obscure niche experience. Or, just maybe those people who think their ignorance gives them the expertise to identify a "CIA Blacksite." Maybe that. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:20:29 AM EDT
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Quoted: Tell me that's not what this is. A zero bedroom, one bathroom "house" that looks like this. It glows. From the chans. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/CIA1_jpg-2031012.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/CIA2_jpg-2031015.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/CIA3_jpg-2031016.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61337/CIA4_jpg-2031017.JPG https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/13229-Southview-Ln-Dallas-TX-75240/118222349_zpid/ Now realize that these are everywhere. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:34:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #1 if it was a server farm or an att site, why are there no anchor holes for threaded rod in the floor tiles for cabinets unless the tiles were replaced. We always anchored cabinets unless it was a r&d lab. #2 most att sites in that area had halon fire suppression systems. They didn’t use water sprinkler fire suppression as I know. If the fire alarm went off while in the facility, you unassed the AO immediately. I worked Telecom for Nortel, Ericsson and even worked R&D for Ericsson over 15 years. Most always at ATT properties. Some collocates. Never saw anything like this house exterior. Definitely interesting. Halon has been out of use for 30 or so years. FM200 is what was used when I dealt with those type facilities. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:34:29 AM EDT
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There's two of those buildings next to each other on a huge north/south road which is also near a interstate. I used to do DoD/fed facilities infrastructure and A/E work CONUS and OCONUS and also teleco in my early career. That looks more like a utility monitoring/comms/laydown type facility. They also stick out like a sore thumb compared to the age/size of the residential houses there.
There would be way more than 4 lockers or electronics cubbies if that was a classified lab/SCIF. If I was going to have a blacksite and I was CIA I sure as hell wouldn't have it on US soil. If I needed some sort of facility not part of my normal federal offices if I was some other type of IC/FLEO I sure as hell would have it in more inconspicuous surroundings. Tons of office parks around the country with leased space you can snag if you need to setup shop for awhile if I needed to be airgapped. Looks like a big expensive piece of fucking shit to me for anything other than another utility company picking it back up. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:36:27 AM EDT
[#30]
It’s funny listening to all these know it all’s trying to sound cool and knowledgeable over something that’s already been confirmed as a retarded data center…. All these arm chair Jason bournes
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:00:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm half a mile from there, guess I'll go check it out tomorrow get lots of pics. 
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:10:12 AM EDT
[#32]
 And why do you guys think a black site would be sold? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:24:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Interesting structure for sure.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:28:15 AM EDT
[#34]
But why is it in the middle of the neighborhood?
If it was a server farm it could certainly be located in a commercial area a whole lot easier and cheaper. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:31:18 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:Data center doesn't explain the lockers on the inside of the door. Weapons lockers? Even secure data centers I've been in didn't require me to leave my phone. the good news is, looks like you're getting a hell of a generator! The ones for the Department of Defense you certainly are removing your smartphone and watch if you want to enter. Those are similar to the lockers I've used to lock up my phone and laptop while visiting a classified location. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 9:31:31 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But why is it in the middle of the neighborhood? If it was a server farm it could certainly be located in a commercial area a whole lot easier and cheaper. Copper/Fiber distribution. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:02:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whose secure data centers are you entering? The ones for the Department of Defense you certainly are removing your smartphone and watch if you want to enter. Those are similar to the lockers I've used to lock up my phone and laptop while visiting a classified location. Not even just classified, but any location that is trying to minimize vectors for tech attack. The security aspects of this location are pretty meh. Got some security booths with bulletproof glass for the on site attendants, and a pretty standard looking setup to secure PEDs. Makes sense tapping into two grids and having a monster backup generator. My only question is what the mirrored glass on the rooms is for? That seems an odd thing to have in a discrete data processing center. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:06:42 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whose secure data centers are you entering? The ones for the Department of Defense you certainly are removing your smartphone and watch if you want to enter. Those are similar to the lockers I've used to lock up my phone and laptop while visiting a classified location. What's odd is there are no built in locks on the lockers, looks like you would use a regular combo or pad lock. Most weapons lockers or other lockers have built in locks with keys. The setup reminds me more for stashing personal property (pocket contents, cell phone, small bag) in lockers that employees would provide their own lock for. The bar underneath the locker would probably hold some hangers for coats and jackets. The sign on one of the doors located at what appears to be the checkpoint indicates that in the event of an emergency the doors automatically unlock. The fire guys that do inspections can correct me if I'm wrong but that would mean that for "life safety" exits are tied into the fire alarm system. When a pull station is activated, the doors automatically un lock. You can see the pull stations in several of the photos. You are not going to have a secret site that people can escape out of or let people into by pulling a fire pull station. You don't see those features in prisons or jails and you wouldn't see it in any "black site". |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:11:39 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not even just classified, but any location that is trying to minimize vectors for tech attack. The security aspects of this location are pretty meh. Got some security booths with bulletproof glass for the on site attendants, and a pretty standard looking setup to secure PEDs. Makes sense tapping into two grids and having a monster backup generator. My only question is what the mirrored glass on the rooms is for? That seems an odd thing to have in a discrete data processing center. I don't think that window is actually mirrored. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:16:17 AM EDT
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What is confusing about the equipment room pictures is the lack of everything below or evidence that something like that ever existed. The picture is from a T-Mobile switching center.
There is a ton of power to the facility but very little conduit inside room or coming through the walls. No opening the walls for incoming data/signal lines. No ceiling support structure for hanging anything other than the lights.  Even in a reduce footprint design like this, the thick black lines are for power and tie into what is shown in the following picture.   |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:19:39 AM EDT
[#41]
Well... Grow room...
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:22:50 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn. The property taxes are less than I pay for a split-level ranch here.  All that income/sales tax freedom comes at a cost 
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:34:25 AM EDT
[#43]
Historical aerials has 7 different pictures from various years over the last 20 years. Only one picture clearly shows a vehicle and it is in the side drive.
This is from 2001.  From 2014, those could be vehicles in the back lot. Someone that is better at reading pixels can make that determination.  |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:46:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is confusing about the equipment room pictures is the lack of everything below or evidence that something like that ever existed. The picture is from a T-Mobile switching center. There is a ton of power to the facility but very little conduit inside room or coming through the walls. No opening the walls for incoming data/signal lines. No ceiling support structure for hanging anything other than the lights. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/datacenter_JPG-2031770.jpg Even in a reduce footprint design like this, the thick black lines are for power and tie into what is shown in the following picture. https://www.pioneercep.com/index_htm_files/5198.png https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/data_power_JPG-2031783.jpg A while back code changed that required people abandoning a site to remove all the wiring or in this case they relocated it to the 'house' behind it. I've got similar pictures from an old cable company site, that is a like a time line of equipment because as new network equipment was brought on line they just abandoned the old stuff in place. ETA...found the pics  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 10:59:57 AM EDT
[#45]
This was most likely a telecon hub that had to build to "neighborhood standards," instead of the usual 4 solid brick walls, per local zoning.
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Posted: 7/29/2021 11:09:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does a data center need a sally port with bullet proof glass and gun lockers? The dual power grid thing is probably why it is where it is. AT&T likes to do that. The former phone exchange facility here in South Central WI is like that. Two grids to connect to means less requirements for generators and batteries/UPS devices. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 11:12:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a couple repeat calls to a house that was melting electrical service cables and transformers. It was constantly running at 400amps even, which is extremely high. A normal 400 amp service rarely pulls 200 continuous. Every time I went there, there was nobody home. Yard maintained, no furniture, no access, nobody returned calls. I could see that the thermostat was at a normal temp through the back window, so that wasn't a factor. It was in one of the wealthiest towns in the US also. Always figured it was a spook site. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 11:25:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the bar under it? what's it for? handcuffs? shackles? or hearing protectors for the sound from the mainframes? |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 12:44:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not seeing enough cooling for any heavy duty hardware in here. Crack units? Ducting? Crack unit hall? Chiller yard? That was my thought. If you stacked that shit full of servers it would cook to death |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 12:56:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its for electronics devices. That looks like one of many secured comms/SCIF server rooms I've done. I'd bet a paycheck it was a comms facility. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lockers could be for your cell phone. But, they sure do look like lockers for a sidearm. I'm digging the fake windows. Its for electronics devices. That looks like one of many secured comms/SCIF server rooms I've done. I'd bet a paycheck it was a comms facility. I don't think you have to worry about paying out either. (I agree with your assessment). |
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