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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:27:45 PM EDT
[#1]
We just need to bring back the $50 carbines I remember as a kid and the rest will work itself out. For a $100 bill you could get a really nice one...
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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:29:25 PM EDT
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I always thought something along the lines of a HK MP7 in 30 carbine would be cool
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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:32:22 PM EDT
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I want the reverse. A M1 Carbine Rifle firing 357 and 38. And yes I know its the rim that prevents this but Damn it I want one
If the Coonan Can do it as well as the deagle it has to be possible. 22 Mag , 22 TCM , 5.7 , 327 I wish these all would get fitted to the M1 Carbine. Its the ammo that has slowed the rifle down as all the surplus is gone and prices on new 30 carbine are up |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, they are. Inland M1 Advisor Add polymer furniture, a couple rail sections, some QD sockets and a Maxim-ish PDW brace.  |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:41:15 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/257918/30_carb_&_223_with_mags-472182.JPG For those unfamiliar with M1 Carbines, that mag on the left holds 15 rounds of .30 Carbine. That PMAG holds 10. Do you have a picture of a 20 round PMAG for comparison? Edit: or even a 20 round USGI magazine |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:43:12 PM EDT
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I don’t get it. What does it do that 10mm auto (loaded hot or down to 40 S&W) can’t? It seems like an underachieving cartridge, at best. .30 Carbine is just under 1,000 ft-lbs, and you can fit more ammunition in a smaller magazine. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:46:44 PM EDT
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I handled a .22 mag Levermatic at the local pawn shop but the owner took it for his collection. I've never seen the .30 carbine version in the wild.....And yes the .22 mag Levermatic has a very short throw. LOL....A .30 Enforcer in a AR type of stock with a side-folding pistol brace would be interesting.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......and Marlin made the Model 62 Levermatic for a short period of time in the '60s. I've never seen a Levermatic in person, but they have a nice short throw. LOL....A .30 Enforcer in a AR type of stock with a side-folding pistol brace would be interesting. I might be waiting for a long time to find one. 
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Posted: 3/5/2018 2:49:39 PM EDT
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i'de like a 1022 in 30 carbine  |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:19:54 PM EDT
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Do you have a picture of a 20 round PMAG for comparison? Edit: or even a 20 round USGI magazine Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/257918/30_carb_&_223_with_mags-472182.JPG For those unfamiliar with M1 Carbines, that mag on the left holds 15 rounds of .30 Carbine. That PMAG holds 10. Do you have a picture of a 20 round PMAG for comparison? Edit: or even a 20 round USGI magazine I think I see where you're going with that as a 20 round magazine still only has one follower, one spring, and one floor plate, so space utilization gets proportionally better with higher capacity. Still, the AR mags are bigger than the M1 Carbine mags in every dimension. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:33:31 PM EDT
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It seems like a 10-22 in 30 M1 Carbine, is so similar to an M1 carbine, that one might as well just get an M1 carbine.
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:34:08 PM EDT
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I think something simplified with the original action like a Winchester model 100 would be ideal. It's a lot like a 10/22. Then you can shroud it in all the polymer and wood you can stand. I love the idea of a semi-tactical Magpul mannlicher stock. I wish someone would make one.
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:36:53 PM EDT
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I have been saying for years .30 carbine is a better pdw round than anything out there as is with just regular JSP bullets. If someone were to improve on it a little bit as a .30 mk2 round with more modern bullet design and perhaps a bit higher pressure it would be pretty cool.
Imagine a .30 carbine in a p90 sized package with similar velocity and perhaps a spitzer bullet with a hardened penetrating core. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:38:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most 10mm defensive loads produce between 650-800 ft-lbs of muzzle energy from a carbine length barrel. .30 Carbine is just under 1,000 ft-lbs, and you can fit more ammunition in a smaller magazine. And the amount of length you are talking about is insignificant. The mag will be shorter in other measures, and lighter to boot. Actually useful loadings are available also. A PCC loaded in 10mm would be superior IMO. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:40:38 PM EDT
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I enjoy my .30 carbine pistol.
The top one. 
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:46:20 PM EDT
[#15]
OP missed one ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=dominican+republic+m1+carbine&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjM9KyvhNbZAhWGdN8KHa5zD_0Q_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=662#imgrc=pUGS8rz0DO6GqM: |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:49:18 PM EDT
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It seems like a 10-22 in 30 M1 Carbine, is so similar to an M1 carbine, that one might as well just get an M1 carbine. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:54:07 PM EDT
[#17]
I'd like to see more .30 carbine options
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:54:17 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Muzzle energy is an almost useless metric, but I'm seeing >1,200 out of a 16" barrel... And the amount of length you are talking about is insignificant. The mag will be shorter in other measures, and lighter to boot. Actually useful loadings are available also. A PCC loaded in 10mm would be superior IMO. I hope Ruger comes out with different chamberings in the PCC What mags for 10mm though ? Glock ? Proprietary ? |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 4:56:48 PM EDT
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I want to build a PS90 based gun in .30carbine. I've even played with some mag designs to feed like a P90 
One day I may get some pieces 3d printed for testing. 
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Posted: 3/5/2018 5:00:54 PM EDT
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You're right, more choices in bullet weights and styles I hope Ruger comes out with different chamberings in the PCC What mags for 10mm though ? Glock ? Proprietary ? How sexy would that be? |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 5:08:54 PM EDT
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It seems like a 10-22 in 30 M1 Carbine, is so similar to an M1 carbine, that one might as well just get an M1 carbine. My partial wishlist for features would probably be something like: Side ejection Optics rail Iron sights tall enough to co-witness with a small reflex sight like an RMR, Venom, or Fastfire. Synthetic stock Total weight under or around 5lbs. There are other things that might be nice like a threaded muzzle, takedown options, or maybe a non-reciprocating charging handle. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 5:14:10 PM EDT
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It's kinda of weird.
A few days ago I saw a vid on YouTube about the M1/M2 carbine and have been looking into it ever since. And now the OP's post here on arfcom. I do like what it offers and it's something new and exciting relative to all the tacticool ARs and etc out there. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 5:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn... If you have never seen one in the wild... I might be waiting for a long time to find one. Over the course of 25 years at the shop he has amassed a half dozen 22 mags and a couple .256 but no 30 carbine Which is odd because as I understand it the 256 is a much rarer gun than the 30 Once the internet came around be just bought one on GunBroker |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 5:22:31 PM EDT
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Muzzle energy is an almost useless metric, but I’m seeing >1,200 out of a 16” barrel... And the amount of length you are talking about is insignificant. The mag will be shorter in other measures, and lighter to boot. Actually useful loadings are available also. A PCC loaded in 10mm would be superior IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Most 10mm defensive loads produce between 650-800 ft-lbs of muzzle energy from a carbine length barrel. .30 Carbine is just under 1,000 ft-lbs, and you can fit more ammunition in a smaller magazine. And the amount of length you are talking about is insignificant. The mag will be shorter in other measures, and lighter to boot. Actually useful loadings are available also. A PCC loaded in 10mm would be superior IMO. 
First you describe .30 Carbine as an "underachieving" cartridge, and then you say kinetic energy doesn't matter. Here's what BBTI has on 10mm: 
If those loads are any indicator, 1,200 ft-lbs must be one hell of a 10mm load. .30 Carbine defensive loads are made by Hornady, Speer, and Buffalo Bore, and more basic SP hunting cartridges are made by PPU, S&B, Federal, and Remington. My old niche cartridge is more historically relevant and more useful than your old niche cartridge. 
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Posted: 3/5/2018 5:28:18 PM EDT
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Because people here will not be interested in buying an m1 that is not usgi. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems like a 10-22 in 30 M1 Carbine, is so similar to an M1 carbine, that one might as well just get an M1 carbine. I have an IBM and a Universal. I bought the Universal so I'd have a beater to keep the wear and tear off the IBM. The thing is, that Universal is basically bottom of the barrel for M1 Carbines, and it doesn't run well at all. I'm not sure if the Universal can be fixed, or if it's just destined to be untrustworthy. A big part of me wants to sell it and upgrade to another post-war replica, but I'm not sure what I'd want to get. The Auto Ordnance guns seem to have mixed reviews. I haven't seen much feedback on the new Inlands, but those are pushing a price that it might be better to just get a beat up USGI. The Fultons are even more extreme. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 5:50:24 PM EDT
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I have a 16” AR barrel chambered in .30 carbine. FatMcnasty made it for me. It “sort of” works. The case head is only a little smaller than 556. The round nose bullet design gets caught on the feed ramps sometimes and I get blown primers if I don’t use crimped primer pocket ammo.
I experimented loading light .308 bullets into 30 carbine cases. But back burnered the project and the barrel sits on a shelf. All I need is a .30 carbine AR bolt and a little opening up of the feed ramps and I’d have a .30 carbine AR. The gas system worked fine. So did 556 AR mags, though I’m sure a new follower and spacer would improve the system. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 6:18:26 PM EDT
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First you describe .30 Carbine as an "underachieving" cartridge, and then you say kinetic energy doesn't matter. Here's what BBTI has on 10mm: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/10mm.png If those loads are any indicator, 1,200 ft-lbs must be one hell of a 10mm load. .30 Carbine defensive loads are made by Hornady, Speer, and Buffalo Bore, and more basic SP hunting cartridges are made by PPU, S&B, Federal, and Remington. My old niche cartridge is more historically relevant and more useful than your old niche cartridge. 
And your own graph shows that 10mm has up to 1k ME (disproving yourself), which once again is pointless. 30 carbine is underpowered when it comes to terminal ballistics and is essentially a longer, heavier, 10mm auto. What you shoot with it isn’t going to be able to tell the difference and if you want to step up from 10mm you should just jump up to a real rifle. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 6:25:01 PM EDT
[#28]
Couldn’t agree more
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Posted: 3/5/2018 6:57:49 PM EDT
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Who cares about historical relevance
And your own graph shows that 10mm has up to 1k ME (disproving yourself), which once again is pointless. 30 carbine is underpowered when it comes to terminal ballistics and is essentially a longer, heavier, 10mm auto. What you shoot with it isn’t going to be able to tell the difference and if you want to step up from 10mm you should just jump up to a real rifle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First you describe .30 Carbine as an "underachieving" cartridge, and then you say kinetic energy doesn't matter. Here's what BBTI has on 10mm: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/mepngs/10mm.png If those loads are any indicator, 1,200 ft-lbs must be one hell of a 10mm load. .30 Carbine defensive loads are made by Hornady, Speer, and Buffalo Bore, and more basic SP hunting cartridges are made by PPU, S&B, Federal, and Remington. My old niche cartridge is more historically relevant and more useful than your old niche cartridge.
And your own graph shows that 10mm has up to 1k ME (disproving yourself), which once again is pointless. 30 carbine is underpowered when it comes to terminal ballistics and is essentially a longer, heavier, 10mm auto. What you shoot with it isn’t going to be able to tell the difference and if you want to step up from 10mm you should just jump up to a real rifle. Energy either matters, or it does not. Based on that question, one of the following statements is true: 1) Energy DOES matter, and .30 Carbine has ~30% more energy with less recoil, therefore .30 Carbine is better than 10mm Auto. OR 2) Energy DOES NOT matter, and .40S&W does everything else as well as 10mm Auto while fitting standard frames and being much more affordable, therefore, there’s no reason for 10mm Auto to even exist. So, which is it? Also, .30 Carbine ammo is lighter than 10mm Auto ammo. 10mm is .599 oz per cartridge while .30 Carbine is .447 oz per cartridge, so a 30 round mag of 10mm would be over 1/4 pound heavier than a 30 round mag of .30 Carbine. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 7:02:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My partial wishlist for features would probably be something like: Side ejection Optics rail Iron sights tall enough to co-witness with a small reflex sight like an RMR, Venom, or Fastfire. Synthetic stock Total weight under or around 5lbs. There are other things that might be nice like a threaded muzzle, takedown options, or maybe a non-reciprocating charging handle. yes yes yes yes |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 7:45:26 PM EDT
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Great little rifles. Perfect for small-framed shooters with minimal upper body strength.
The round is hot enough that it will crater mild steel targets designed for use with pistol rounds. Found that out the hard way.
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Posted: 3/5/2018 8:33:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2018 8:36:13 PM EDT
[#33]
.30 Carbine is a great self defense round for usage against people.
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Posted: 3/5/2018 8:39:53 PM EDT
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The magal was a huge failure.
Olympic catalogued an AR in 30 carbine during the ban, but it was vaporware. I think the round's greatness is 90% the gun, not the round. They say that with modern buck-per-round ammo it equals a 357 mag out of a levergun, but in that envelope, I think hst's out of the 9mm Ruger PC are a better choice all around for every reason - cost per round, capacity, terminal effectiveness, recoil, etc. This dream of more 30 carbine platforms - one I share - is truly an answer in search of a question. During the federal ban, I hear ya. Tons of pre ban mags, and ban proof rifles, and cheap plinking ammo galore. Now? Nope. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 8:40:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That one load represents a significant statistical outlier, and I’d question whether or not it’s within spec. Energy either matters, or it does not. Based on that question, one of the following statements is true: 1) Energy DOES matter, and .30 Carbine has ~30% more energy with less recoil, therefore .30 Carbine is better than 10mm Auto. OR 2) Energy DOES NOT matter, and .40S&W does everything else as well as 10mm Auto while fitting standard frames and being much more affordable, therefore, there’s no reason for 10mm Auto to even exist. So, which is it? Also, .30 Carbine ammo is lighter than 10mm Auto ammo. 10mm is .599 oz per cartridge while .30 Carbine is .447 oz per cartridge, so a 30 round mag of 10mm would be over 1/4 pound heavier than a 30 round mag of .30 Carbine. 30 carbine FTW! I can’t wait till they come out with one in an AR10 platform and some super long boolits. It’s going to be rad
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Posted: 3/5/2018 8:47:51 PM EDT
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OP missed one ... https://www.google.com/search?q=dominican+republic+m1+carbine&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjM9KyvhNbZAhWGdN8KHa5zD_0Q_AUICygC&biw=1366&bih=662#imgrc=pUGS8rz0DO6GqM: |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 8:53:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:20:09 PM EDT
[#38]
The m1 Carbine is such a fun easy enjoyable rifle to shoot, I can’t believe there isn’t a reasonably priced modern option.
If ruger offered a new production m1 Carbine in the 4-500$ range I’d buy one immediately. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:38:44 PM EDT
[#39]
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The magal was a huge failure. Olympic catalogued an AR in 30 carbine during the ban, but it was vaporware. I think the round's greatness is 90% the gun, not the round. They say that with modern buck-per-round ammo it equals a 357 mag out of a levergun, but in that envelope, I think hst's out of the 9mm Ruger PC are a better choice all around for every reason - cost per round, capacity, terminal effectiveness, recoil, etc. This dream of more 30 carbine platforms - one I share - is truly an answer in search of a question. During the federal ban, I hear ya. Tons of pre ban mags, and ban proof rifles, and cheap plinking ammo galore. Now? Nope. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:50:55 PM EDT
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Universal made an M1 Carbine in 256 Winchester. Also a pump version in 44 Magnum.
There is also a necked down 22 cal version. 3000 fps with a 40 gr bullet. Years ago I built one up in 357 Auto Mag. 2000 fps with a 158 gr bullet. The 30 M1 Carbine is a good self defense weapon out to 150 yards with soft/hollow point ammo. I think a rimless 357 Magnum could work in the action with a little work. Kimbal made a 30 Carbine caliber pistol. Wasnt too good. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 9:59:55 PM EDT
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I want a semi auto tube mag .30 carbine.
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Posted: 3/5/2018 10:00:29 PM EDT
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It seems like a 10-22 in 30 M1 Carbine, is so similar to an M1 carbine, that one might as well just get an M1 carbine.
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Posted: 3/5/2018 10:09:26 PM EDT
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I need a carbine to go with the box of ammo I have.
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Posted: 3/5/2018 10:33:27 PM EDT
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.30 Carbine defensive loads are made by Hornady, Speer, and Buffalo Bore, and more basic SP hunting cartridges are made by PPU, S&B, Federal, and Remington. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 10:49:43 PM EDT
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I load .30 carbine projectiles in my 300 black out cases and get 2600 FPS out of a 9" barrel.
Does that count? |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 10:55:38 PM EDT
[#46]
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The m1 Carbine is such a fun easy enjoyable rifle to shoot, I can’t believe there isn’t a reasonably priced modern option. If ruger offered a new production m1 Carbine in the 4-500$ range I’d buy one immediately. The M1 carbine is pretty darn close to the perfect personal defense carbine. Light, easy to use, reliable. I'd like an inexpensive modern version just to add some tactical stuff to. A light, red dot, etc. Without trashing a WW2 gun. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 11:02:57 PM EDT
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It seems like a 10-22 in 30 M1 Carbine, is so similar to an M1 carbine, that one might as well just get an M1 carbine. the m1 carbine is an old, outdated and unreliable firearm you and everyone else should stay far, far away from them on the EE, gunbroker or anywhere else you might encounter them |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 11:09:28 PM EDT
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A P90 is .30 Carbine would rock!
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Posted: 3/5/2018 11:13:59 PM EDT
[#49]
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The m1 Carbine is such a fun easy enjoyable rifle to shoot, I can’t believe there isn’t a reasonably priced modern option. If ruger offered a new production m1 Carbine in the 4-500$ range I’d buy one immediately. |
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Posted: 3/5/2018 11:20:37 PM EDT
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IMI makes an SP round too. My M1 loves it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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.30 Carbine defensive loads are made by Hornady, Speer, and Buffalo Bore, and more basic SP hunting cartridges are made by PPU, S&B, Federal, and Remington. |
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