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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:25:13 PM EDT
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They can probably afford to make a few dozen of them. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:27:24 PM EDT
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I hate when I click in a joglee thread by mistake
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:28:33 PM EDT
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I hate when I click in a joglee thread by mistake 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:30:31 PM EDT
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Yes, but if you read what Russia says this does...It's everything Milley gave as a reason for the ICSR. /joglee thread |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:30:44 PM EDT
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Arfcom has serious issues thinking outside the box when it comes to their view of arms theory.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:31:37 PM EDT
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if they existed, which they dont. What you have there is the equivalent of some guy at dragoncon taking pictures of a guy cosplaying Ironman and calling it the next US Army powered armor initiative. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:32:29 PM EDT
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Arfcom has serious issues thinking outside the box when it comes to their view of arms theory. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:32:41 PM EDT
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Fucking dumb.
Russian Land Warrior? Excuse me.... Ahem.....BwahHahahahahHhhhHHhHAahahahahaa........Ahahahahabahahahahsabahshshahaaha. Ok, I'm done. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:33:39 PM EDT
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If this is actually the reason why then Milley is fucking retarded. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:35:24 PM EDT
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He thinks we'll have a ground war with Russia? Talk about delusional
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:38:43 PM EDT
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What if we were to take something like the M1, and rechamber it for 7.62 NATO?
Maybe tweak the gas system some and make it use detachable magazines, make it select-fire even. I think that could be a real winner. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:39:46 PM EDT
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lol.
He should lay off the CoD: Infinite Warfare for a bit. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:41:38 PM EDT
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What round for Spartans? 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:49:34 PM EDT
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Wow, the Russians are as good at fake soldier systems as we are. I am impressed. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:50:34 PM EDT
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None of this will materialize. Some higher up needs to stop this. Waste of money.....  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:51:03 PM EDT
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How many cabbages does it take to purchase one of those?
I bet they'll be able to field at lease 3 country wide. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:53:05 PM EDT
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This. Putin's Russia is nothing more than a LARP state with nukes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if they existed, which they dont. What you have there is the equivalent of some guy at dragoncon taking pictures of a guy cosplaying Ironman and calling it the next US Army powered armor initiative. It is just fucking hype. Sadly, we have a fucking CoS who cannot even grasp that. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:55:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 9:58:51 PM EDT
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Meh. It's nice to see the .mil anticipating new threats instead of waiting to get down range and lose a few hundred before TTP's and gear start to change.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:00:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:04:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:05:15 PM EDT
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Meh. It's nice to see the .mil anticipating new threats instead of waiting to get down range and lose a few hundred before TTP's and gear start to change. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:08:37 PM EDT
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lol.....is about all that suit rates. But it does like like it'd go well with an Iranian cardboard stealth fighter. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:11:05 PM EDT
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Technology isn't there to warrant a change, IMO. They're reducing our capabilities with the heavier rifle and ammo to counter a boogeyman. Can anyone seriously justify this change? 
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:13:29 PM EDT
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Airforce...whining about rifle and ammo weight... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/310196/laughing-hard-gif-1-293123.gif |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:13:31 PM EDT
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Technology isn't there to warrant a change, IMO. They're reducing our capabilities with the heavier rifle and ammo to counter a boogeyman. Can anyone seriously justify this change? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meh. It's nice to see the .mil anticipating new threats instead of waiting to get down range and lose a few hundred before TTP's and gear start to change. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:15:21 PM EDT
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The Army Chief of Staff has seriously justified it. Does that count? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:16:05 PM EDT
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Heh, cool argument. Carried one every day of my 11 years in and every day for 4 thereafter. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:17:25 PM EDT
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Meh. It's nice to see the .mil anticipating new threats instead of waiting to get down range and lose a few hundred before TTP's and gear start to change. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:17:58 PM EDT
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I was an 03 for 8 years. Save that bullshit "carried every day for so and so years". Grunts don't carry rifles every day. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:20:09 PM EDT
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Full retard,guess were going there in 9 days
Wonder who the lowest bidder will be this time |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:20:19 PM EDT
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Wasn't a grunt, hombre. Just a guy that carried a rifle every day. You would rather have a 7.62 battle rifle? Just joining the discussion. Please point out where I am wrong. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:20:32 PM EDT
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The Army Chief of Staff has seriously justified it. Does that count?  Yes, seriously. The ACS justification is why the program exists, and continues to progress.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:20:34 PM EDT
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Yup. Russia is one of the least advanced "modern" States in the world. It is just fucking hype. Sadly, we have a fucking CoS who cannot even grasp that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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if they existed, which they dont. What you have there is the equivalent of some guy at dragoncon taking pictures of a guy cosplaying Ironman and calling it the next US Army powered armor initiative. It is just fucking hype. Sadly, we have a fucking CoS who cannot even grasp that. Next we will need a AAA system to deal with giant quad copters with dual 30mm gatling guns.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:21:36 PM EDT
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Hah, seriously? Congress told him you will have your money. And now submissions for the ICSR are to be delivered by Sept 6th, 2017 for Phase I testing. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:21:56 PM EDT
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Humped a 240. Not every day like a space shuttle door gunner. Preferred it to 5.56. Would prefer a 7.62 rifle as well. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:22:35 PM EDT
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I rented this movie at Blockbuster Video back in '93. JVCD may have been involved.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:25:43 PM EDT
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Yes, seriously. The ACS justification is why the program exists, and continues to progress. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:26:36 PM EDT
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While it
"May be happening" I don't believe it would be due to Russia. That doesn't even make sense. Molot just went bankrupt Concern Kalashnikov is basically out of the small arms business US sanctions have badly hurt their small arms industry. If the US stopped purchasing ammunition from Russian companies for use by Coalition Forces and friendlies, and if they were cut off from the US commercial market that would take a nose dive. I'm going to say OP is wrong on this and the more logical threat is China The Chinese are fielding modern small arms with AP ammunition across the board and developing new and better body armor. I'd consider them before Russia |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:31:32 PM EDT
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I'm going to say OP is wrong on this and the more logical threat is China |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:33:22 PM EDT
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So your little tantrum is based on your perception of my service or lack therof compared to your badass Devil Dog self? Cool, now that that's out of the way. How about producing an argument with merit? |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:42:45 PM EDT
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That RatNik shit suit looks like some kind of Cosplay shit. Nice costume, komrade.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:43:53 PM EDT
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Nah man, you're right. We should not improve our capabilities since we are currently fighting jihadi's running around in blackhawk vests and man jammies. We should keep doing it the same way we always have. Fight tomorrows war with yesterdays gear and TTP's. It's always worked out for those of us downrange. Does a 7.62 rifle increase our capabilities across the entire spectrum of it's possible employment over a 5.56 versus an armored target enough to warrant a change on such a large scale? What about ammo in prolonged exchanges, rate of effective fire, blast effects indoors, firing from imperfect positions or on the move and the ever present effects of WEIGHT  when it comes to overall effectiveness and the ability of the average Soldier, Marine or even pussy ass Airmen. When exactly is the 7.62 beneficial? There are many more factors that are more important 99% of the time, IMO.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:44:41 PM EDT
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While it "May be happening" I don't believe it would be due to Russia. That doesn't even make sense. Molot just went bankrupt Concern Kalashnikov is basically out of the small arms business US sanctions have badly hurt their small arms industry. If the US stopped purchasing ammunition from Russian companies for use by Coalition Forces and friendlies, and if they were cut off from the US commercial market that would take a nose dive. I'm going to say OP is wrong on this and the more logical threat is China The Chinese are fielding modern small arms with AP ammunition across the board and developing new and better body armor. I'd consider them before Russia We aren't in a new Cold War against China, but we are against Russia, where in E. Europe we have numerous BCTs opposing the Russian Army, not the PLA. Milley is using Operation Atlantic Resolve to justify a threat credible enough that Trump and Congress might kick up more funding, or at least have less argument saying no. "President Trump, is it true the Chief of Staff of the Army wants a new X because of the Russian threat but your administration is denying our deployed troops this necessary equipment? Is your decision related to Mr. Mueller's investigation on collusion with Putin and Russia?" |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:45:48 PM EDT
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Pfft. Just wait till the U.S. fields my avatar in response. Commies gonna need .50 BMG Raufoss or better.
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:51:03 PM EDT
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Pfft. Just wait till the U.S. fields my avatar in response. Commies gonna need .50 BMG Raufoss or better. https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7d/d5/7a/7dd57af53e82892ac9b24b06dc97fb1b--videogames-power-armor-fallout.jpg |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:54:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:55:40 PM EDT
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Nah man, you're right. We should not improve our capabilities since we are currently fighting jihadi's running around in blackhawk vests and man jammies. We should keep doing it the same way we always have. Fight tomorrows war with yesterdays gear and TTP's. It's always worked out for those of us downrange. Also, describe new TTPs that allow you as an infantryman to fight Russians infantry, without arty, tanks, fights, bombers, subs, and missile silos fighting one another? If all those happen, you aren't going to want a 7.62 rifle, you are going to want a davy crockett nuclear recoilless rifle. New TTPs don't work because after ever COIN proxie war the Army promises it won't fight them again, instead trying to prep for a near peer MCO fight in which the Army actually plays only a minor tole because of emphasis on strategic weapons. Then, because the near peer war can't happen we end up in another COIN proxie war and we have to spend years relearning how to fight them. And the only reason is because near peer MCO pays the defense industry a lot more than COIN. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 10:58:36 PM EDT
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Humped a 240. Not every day like a space shuttle door gunner. Preferred it to 5.56. Would prefer a 7.62 rifle as well. MK262 can even mimic a 7.62 NATO trajectory. So even a well made 5.56 round can level with shitty ass 7.62 NATO. That cartridge is a shit show, it does nothing dramatically better than 5.56. And in testing 5.56 has shown to be more lethal than 7.62 You are also limited not by your cartridge range. You are limited by how soon you can spot the enemy. And most of the time, unless you glue a pair of binos, you cannot see a camouflaged enemy beyond 200 meters. So guess what? You are using a heavy ass, crappy capability round, for 99% of the time engaging targets no further out than 200 meters. |
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Posted: 8/28/2017 11:06:16 PM EDT
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7.62 NATO is aweful. It's almost 3 times as heavy as 5.56. And all that extra weight, buys you just 200-250 meters. 550 point target range vs 800 point target range. MK262 can even mimic a 7.62 NATO trajectory. So even a well made 5.56 round can level with shitty ass 7.62 NATO. That cartridge is a shit show, it does nothing dramatically better than 5.56. And in testing 5.56 has shown to be more lethal than 7.62 You are also limited not by your cartridge range. You are limited by how soon you can spot the enemy. And most of the time, unless you glue a pair of binos, you cannot see a camouflaged enemy beyond 200 meters. So guess what? You are using a heavy ass, crappy capability round, for 99% of the time engaging targets no further out than 200 meters. |
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