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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:13:05 PM EDT
[#1]
KUSA KP9 hands down
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:13:37 PM EDT
[#2]
All of them.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:22:09 PM EDT
[#3]
I like my Foxtrot Mike FM9
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:23:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:26:31 PM EDT
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OP: Do you carry a 9mm pistol and, if so, what kind. (If you don't mind me asking.)
Your response to this question doesn't weigh heavily in some folks' answer to your original question (and that's fine), but it always has for me. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:27:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:31:50 PM EDT
[#7]
Glock mag Stribog. Its got all the goodies: glock mags, roller delayed, awesome trigger, folding stock, price, etc.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:33:09 PM EDT
[#8]
AR9
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:33:40 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: MP5 |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:40:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Turkish MP5 (MKE AP5) clones are awesome and there's a huge thread on them Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: MP5 https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/OFFICIAL-ARFCOM-MKE-AP5-Thread-Do-YOU-need-one-/5-2573221/ 
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:47:12 PM EDT
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If you are not concerned with a true SMG, and yes a own a couple...
I would go PSA AR-V or even AK-V. I have the AR-V and love it. Same manual of arms as an AR-15, purpose built "from the ground up" to take only CZ Scorpion mags. The trigger is way better than the CZ Scorp and it looks right to me. Form and function. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:48:45 PM EDT
[#12]
Scorpion or MP5. I like the PTR's, some guys swear by the Turks.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:50:52 PM EDT
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Pistols are pistols,rifles are rifles. Fucks pcc's. Have you seen how long a threat stays a threat after being poked with a pistol? Way too long for comfort. Pistols are a tool of convenience.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:50:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AR style. There’s something to be said for similar manual of arms and muscle memory. There's also something to be said for gas in your face when shooting suppressed.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:52:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll agree with that completely, but in full auto, the rate of fire is too fast and it's kinda chattery......not very smooth. The trigger of course is typical HK and completely sucks ass....worse than a Glock. And the extractor/spring design is complete shit. But hey, it sure looks cool and if you want to hang with the cool kids, its a must have. I don't disagree with you often, but can't say I find the MP5 in full auto to be as you describe it. The other criticisms are valid points, though. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:53:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: B&T APC9 Some purest here will likely say not a carbine, but whatever. The Pro version is an awesome PDW... and currently my favorite thing to shoot.  But you aren't getting it hooked up for less than 2K. I've easily spent twice that on what's pictured, without factoring in that suppressor or spare mags. Or the spare Glock lower I have for it. And all those mags. And the Wolfman in jail.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:54:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a fucking loser Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: shootin' shit, WTF do you think? oh wait, we do have some rump wranglers in GD, so nevermind, sorry sir. What a fucking loser Yer brave enough, aincha? 
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Posted: 9/15/2022 7:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a poor, so I just have a 9mm AR and not a MP5.  You can be a poor with an mp5 clone with the prices of imports these days. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:01:37 PM EDT
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If you have any interest in staying away from potential pistol/brace issues, then the CX-4 is definitely worth looking at. Even as a legal rifle it's really compact, mags everywhere, and proven reliable. Not to mention its a ton of fun.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:02:35 PM EDT
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I dont own one yet, but i might learn towards the sig.. It supposedly has a more muted recoil like an mp5... the scorpion is more 'violent' in its recoil, but still a fine modern weapon, unless you want all metal, then go sig.. Mp5/ap5/sp5/ isn't a bad idea, but they are a 60 year old design and a little harder to 'trick out' (but still possible).
Be aware the sigs have some issues with accuracy and 'non brand' sig suppressors.. something to do with harmonics and their whacky threading they use... |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOnce you own one you always recognize it 
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:06:15 PM EDT
[#22]
MP5 is hard to beat unless your willing to swing for an SD or your willing to pony up for a Best MM MP5. Not going to lie though. My MP5SD I built is my absolute favorite rifle.
 Failed To Load Title Watch out for the Glock mag gayness It has an application but honestly something that gets shot a lot isn’t one of them. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Turkish MP5s are good quality and at current prices it's hard to recommend anything else I just bought the Turkish MKE AP5. It was perfectly zeroed out of the box and runs like a raped ape. Now I want an AP5K, also. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:13:40 PM EDT
[#24]
B&T GHM9, LOVE mine.
 
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySame as mine. H&K tattoos. They reload and reshoot just fine. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:19:14 PM EDT
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I have a AP5-P and it’s more fun to shoot than anything else I have. It has its drawbacks, but it also makes me smile big when I’m shooting it. Anything else without delayed blowback would be a let down.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:21:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:23:05 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can be a poor with an mp5 clone with the prices of imports these days. When the Zenith-imported clones were selling for over $2000, I just said "Well, maybe some day". When Century started importing them and Atlantic was listing them at $1100, it was "Add to Cart". |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:25:37 PM EDT
[#29]
If you’re going to compete, save up for a JP5. Shoots so soft.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:45:21 PM EDT
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I'll talk to the Turkish and HK MP5s. Great guns. But you have to remember
THE HK TAX EVERYTHING is more expensive. Mags - German - $80 ($70 on sale) Turkish - $50 Mount a light - Surefire Forend $500+ Stock $500+ Plus NFA $200 Tax Sight - Does the gun come with a Mount? If not $150 plus the Sight and Co Witness is a TOUGH ask Great guns, accurate, little recoil, but EXPENSIVE. --------------------------- Kel Tec Sub 2000 I have a Gen 1 - Gen 2 Easier to mount a (1) Light and (2) Sight Mags Glock ($25-33) Recoil - a bit more due to direct blow back but you can get a recoil buffer to help with it. Simple and efficient action - like a WW2 British Sterling SMG. If you want a truck gun - this is the way. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:46:06 PM EDT
[#31]
MP5, because it's the best?
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:51:48 PM EDT
[#32]
One of my personal answers to that question.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 8:59:47 PM EDT
[#33]
MP5 variant in your choice of barrel length.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 9:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't want the AR style... CX4 Ruger PC9 |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 10:00:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2022 10:18:36 PM EDT
[#36]
A genuine HK SP5 made by Germans on up-to-date German tooling would be a better option than multiple throwaway MKE range toys. Would you rather have 1 good toy, or 3 crappy toys?
If I was only buying 1 pistol and my budget was under $2,000, I would go B&T. Too many people on the HK forums have had problems with MKEs. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 10:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had two Scorpions and really liked them but then started to see damaged ones on the web, could not get it out of my mind. I understand 99.9 percent will never have a failure like this but I decided to let my plastic upper receiver gun go. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/263282/16EF725F-1F6C-4441-B733-BF51C2EE9CD3_jpe-2527506.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/263282/A516FD33-5C58-40E4-8FEB-378781271506_jpe-2527507.JPG Given that the Scorpion was designed/sold as a SMG to foreign markets first, and then became a PCC later, I am having a hard time believing that catastrophic failures are commonplace with good ammo. Military buyers would not accept that. CZ is not known for making marginal or unsafe firearms. I bet the failures you posted are due to poor quality ammo, more than anything else. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:05:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CMMG Banshee in 10mm Does everything 9mm can do and then some. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/512425/Screen_Shot_2022-09-15_at_5_38_33_PM-2527472.png Me Likey |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:09:14 PM EDT
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I have a PTR MP5 clone that has been SBR’d, and it is my favorite gun…
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A genuine HK SP5 made by Germans on up-to-date German tooling would be a better option than multiple throwaway MKE range toys. Would you rather have 1 good toy, or 3 crappy toys? If I was only buying 1 pistol and my budget was under $2,000, I would go B&T. Too many people on the HK forums have had problems with MKEs. 
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:10:29 PM EDT
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New 3+ is sooooo sick. Other than new magazines it's the best in every regard over the previous Gen.
And 30rd mags are readily Available already and cheap and magpul is gearing up for the newer style Just got mine for $1100  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:18:11 PM EDT
[#42]
The CMMG RDB system is great for the AR platform.
Im contemplating selling a complete short upper, might be on the EE soon. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:27:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: B&T APC9K Pro Glock Oh wait, sub $2k. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:29:02 PM EDT
[#44]
MP5
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:34:02 PM EDT
[#45]
I enjoy my MPX, but if I did another PCC again it would be some variation of the roller-locked action. I shot one integrally suppressed (with happy switch) and it was incredibly controllable. The MPX is smooth but not that smooth.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:34:25 PM EDT
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Stribog
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:36:21 PM EDT
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Literally any MP5 clone.
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:36:52 PM EDT
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Watch this, Dependable yes I believe so.
If a CZ works after this,it certainly deserves consideration. I did shoot a striebog Glock mags ,this weekend, nice trigger though. |
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Posted: 9/15/2022 11:37:40 PM EDT
[#49]
Sig or one of the Zenith MP5’s
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Posted: 9/16/2022 2:44:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: I am currently looking at 2 PCC in 9mm. I am open to others, if my choices are not optimal. If you disagree with my 2 options, sub $2000, then please respond with a different choice. Thanks Sig MPX too spendy and tends to get unsupported when the next gen arrives. I can only afford 1 mag. MP5, way too spendy for an actual, but my .mil time with them was FUN. We kept one as a truck gun and we didn't know what that meant. Controls not the easiest to use in a stressful situation and lack of LRBHO are annoying when compared to more modern weapons. Copy guns seem to be not near as reliable and wouldn't trust my life with one. PSA AR7, looked promising until you read the countless FTF issues with HP ammo. I want a self defense PCC 100% reliable with HP. Also heavy. B&T, I'm poor and would keep one in the safe if owned. CMMG Banshee. This one seemed to check all my boxes. In-person it somehow feels a lot heavier than it should to me and the AR buffer tube sucks for length. Expensive, but it seems very quality almost too pretty to be a work gun. Thought about a cheapo Extar, but the new version proprietary non-collapsing crap brace ruins it for me. Too long and looks like something I'd use for ice climbing. Foxtrot Mike FM9, seems ok and maybe an option? Blowback AR9 operation sucks and not sure how well it would supress when I jb weld an oil filter on during end days in Minecraft. Stribog SP9A3S. Seems neat and maybe my #1, but I haven't seen one in the wild. Unfortunately it looks like it needs to be modified like the entire lower replaced, which isn't on my to-do list. Also, plenty of reviews showing it hates HP ammo. I voted and bought a CZ Scorpion. Then decided I'm too lazy to modify it before even shooting it. It's one of those guns that needs a few things to feel normal in my opinion. I know, just grip and safety for starters. So I have a NIB FDE Scorpion pistol that I'd like to maybe sell. What's it worth face to face sale in Dallas area? I've never sold a gun. Lol. My Scorpion looks like this because this is where I bought it: 
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