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Don’t tune your ammo, tune the buffer.  It’s super easy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241349/BE7BEDEC-6452-4B8C-A607-ADAB76C65411_jpe-2537514.JPG

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357 mag unless you are hunting. Really big stuff.
My rossie 357 stomped a couple of 125# hogs on my back rode.  Bang flop.

H110 and a cast and powder coated 158 grain bullet moving 1700 fps is no slouch.

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Sorry somehow I thought I was in the lever gun thread at least diameters are the same for the most part l

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The Turkish MP5s are good quality and at current prices it's hard to recommend anything else

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Just ordered the PSA AKV w 10 mags deal. That's right we got the poors over here come at me.

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MPX is great, but to you, is it worth 2x - 3x as much as other lower cost options?

If money is no option, get a B&T or an MPX.  Both are GREAT.

If value enters into your decision, there are a lot cheaper options that work well, and start as low as $700.

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Yes!  Yes, it certainly is.  The MPX is the way to go, OP.

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Don't get a scorpion.   They REALLY suck.  I have one that never gets shot because it's such a piece of shit.  Trigger is terrible.  Action sucks.  I can't say enough bad things about it.  

I've never shot a MPX, but it almost can't be worse.

I would prefer an AR15 pistol in 9mm or whichever caliber you seek.  

MP5's are cool.  The recoil is amazing,  but I prefer the ergonomics of an AR.

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Doggone you guys!  In spite of all the other PCCs I already have (more than I'll ever need), y'all made me go ahead and order an AP5 now that they have come down in price.  I'll no doubt SBR the thing as soon as I wring it out enough to check the reliability of mine.  Already ordered several mags and have started looking for a Surefire forend.

Shame on you all...  

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Sig MPX too spendy and tends to get unsupported when the next gen arrives.  I can only afford 1 mag.  

MP5, way too spendy for an actual, but my .mil time with them was FUN.  We kept one as a truck gun and we didn't know what that meant.  Controls not the easiest to use in a stressful situation and lack of LRBHO are annoying when compared to more modern weapons.  Copy guns seem to be not near as reliable and wouldn't trust my life with one.

PSA AR7, looked promising until you read the countless FTF issues with HP ammo.  I want a self defense PCC 100% reliable with HP.  Also heavy.

B&T, I'm poor and would keep one in the safe if owned.  

CMMG Banshee.  This one seemed to check all my boxes.  In-person it somehow feels a lot heavier than it should to me and the AR buffer tube sucks for length.  Expensive, but it seems very quality almost too pretty to be a work gun.  

Thought about a cheapo Extar, but the new version proprietary non-collapsing crap brace ruins it for me.  Too long and looks like something I'd use for ice climbing.  

Foxtrot Mike FM9, seems ok and maybe an option?  Blowback AR9 operation sucks and not sure how well it would supress when I jb weld an oil filter on during end days in Minecraft.  

Stribog SP9A3S.  Seems neat and maybe my #1, but I haven't seen one in the wild.  Unfortunately it looks like it needs to be modified like the entire lower replaced, which isn't on my to-do list.  Also, plenty of reviews showing it hates HP ammo.  

I voted and bought a CZ Scorpion.  
Then decided I'm too lazy to modify it before even shooting it.  It's one of those guns that needs a few things to feel normal in my opinion.  I know, just grip and safety for starters.  

So I have a NIB FDE Scorpion pistol that I'd like to maybe sell.  What's it worth face to face sale in Dallas area?  I've never sold a gun.  Lol.  

My Scorpion looks like this because this is where I bought it:

https://i.postimg.cc/85phvsXb/Screenshot-20220726-203528-Chrome.jpg

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The Extar is probably the best value, but in a land of homely guns, the Extar is truly pitiful.

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Suppressed - full auto - 9mm Sterling L34A1 Mk5

I do own a Sterling L2A3 conversion into semi auto carbine...but the collapsible butt stock is a con. If I had the wampum, I'd buy the full auto suppressed - about $10,000 - $15,000 range.

WARNING!!! - Danger of OOB's occurring if a Sterling 34 round magazine is used in a STEN submachinegun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgeWYGh3S_E

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Stribog Gen3 - roller-locked goodness for less.
As cool as MP-5 clones are, you’ll end up sinking more than $2k on it (customizing…)

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Replying to my own post. :)
Did some more research.  

I'm considering the B&T GHM9-K now, despite the price.  Need to handle one in person first.

Seems to offer most of the APC9, but for less money?  The reciprocating charging handle appears to be the only notable difference.  Looks more compact and less weight as well.  

B&T mag lower or Glock lower?  I don't own a Glock anymore.  

Appears they feed HP ammo which the originals did not, nor do any Stribogs or many others.  HP feeding reliability seems to be a common PCC issue not many people talk about as I guess most are just range toys.  Wouldn't be acceptable at all in a handgun.  

Although blowback, they have a hydraulic buffer.  

The K has a short barrel, but the overall length isn't very compact with a lot of gun behind the grip.  Looks odd to me.  

The B&T telescoping brace adapters are $580! .. if you can find one.  The tailhook butt would add another $160 ... if you can find one.  Are these even going to be legal next year? That's $740+ just for a brace!  Wtf.  Turns a $1600 gun into $2340+.  Maybe I'm not considering it anymore. :/  

https://i.postimg.cc/Gm8Vnb2t/c02abdd39239184d090ebe4791a64969.jpg

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The Gen2 Extar doesn't look so bad anymore UNTIL you get to the extra long proprietary buffer tube and ice climbing pick looking brace.  No collapable brace option you can retrofit I'm aware of.  Ruins the entire gun for me.  Otherwise people seem to really like them for the price moreso than any other "AR9".  Probably looks and feels cheap in person, but I've never seen one off the internets.  

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