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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:06:27 PM EDT
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Also, glad you got better! just trying to drop the 10lbs i gained.. 
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:09:15 PM EDT
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Sure, but now we're on to proprietary bolts and mags. I like how .300 BLK can take the mags I already have, and I don't have to hunt down a proprietary bolt. Plus I can make .300 cases out of the surplus of .223 / 5.56 cases I have laying around in bags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it boring You probably don't NFA bro. I thought it was a fad caliber back when I thought cans and SBRs were overrated. My next build is a 9 or 10 inch .300 Blackout upper. (Hopefully put a 3rd form 1 in sometime in the future for a dedicated lower.) I already put a Dead Air Armament Sandman L in jail just for it. I dabble in some NFA. Just think there are much better options out there. If you want to go supersonic, 6.8, Grendel, and wolverine are better. If you want to shoot subs there are better options in PCCs with cheaper plinking and HP (that is actually designed to perform at sub velocities) ammo off the shelf. Smaller sbr packages in the PCCs too. Sure, but now we're on to proprietary bolts and mags. I like how .300 BLK can take the mags I already have, and I don't have to hunt down a proprietary bolt. Plus I can make .300 cases out of the surplus of .223 / 5.56 cases I have laying around in bags. I agree those are pluses. They are just the only ones I see. If you approach the caliber from that budget and low entry standpoint on adapting an existing AR, what do you get out of the blackout as a subsonic platform? Ammo wise It is not really that cheap to reload or buy off the shelf. And with all those offerings you are just getting a .30cal hole with no bullet performance on target. Reusing 5.56 brass doesn't save you much if you have to stuff a 208gr amax or something similar in it. A .45acp AR or Kriss or forthcoming LWRC will shoot just as heavy factory subsonic for 1/2 the price. Less if you are comparing to specialty projectiles like the ones in this thread. Even less if you are reloading .45 like you would be in BO to reuse 556 cases. With any appreciable amounts of shooting the entry point to a new platform or new AR build is overcome quickly. Like I said, I agree with your point on it being a plus to just swap the barrel to a BO. But in a conversation about spending the time and money for two tax stamps, a suppressor, and expanding subsonic bullets, the savings on a blackout conversion seem kind of minor to me. If I was on a tight budget and wanted better medium game hunting performance out of an AR with off the shelf ammo, supersonic blackout would be my caliber. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:13:39 PM EDT
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I like my 208gr amax's traveling at about 2800-2900fps...
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:19:16 PM EDT
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I like my 208gr amax's traveling at about 2800-2900fps... Sorry. 300blk doesn't do that. It doesn't need to do that. That velocity totally defeat the purpose of sub-sonics.... 
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:20:20 PM EDT
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I've always been in love with rifles that shoot pistol rounds The 300 blk is the ultimate pistol round shooting rifle I think the subsonic version is awesome the supersonic version is meh, not enough velocity if they could magically come up with a way to get the 300 blk supersonic version to around 2500 fps, that would turn it into a truly ideal cartridge I hate the 300 blk fan boys, what a bunch of idiots. Fan boys are always annoying as fuck, but 300 blk fan boys are a real bunch of slobbery fan-tards. they pretend that the subsonic round is quiet as a dial tone and the supersonic round is a bad-ass sniper round stupid so that's my assessment of the round: suppressed = truly awesome supersonic = lame, just shoot 223 instead fanboys = pathetic as usual Checked out the .277 Wolverine? Sub or supersonic with a mere barrel change. Check the AR-15 section under AR variants. You can also buy the ammo from Jb's in the Wolverine forum for about a buck a round. 90 gr at about 2700fps.(18 inch barrel) Subs available too. For reloaders the parent case is .223. |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:29:40 PM EDT
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It doesn't need to do that. That velocity totally defeat the purpose of sub-sonics.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like my 208gr amax's traveling at about 2800-2900fps... Sorry. 300blk doesn't do that. It doesn't need to do that. That velocity totally defeat the purpose of sub-sonics.... And shooting them subsonic kind of defeats the purpose of a projectile designed around rifle velocities
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:54:23 PM EDT
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220gr of my own creation. will expand at 750 fps. How many Shekels for the boolits? |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 10:57:36 PM EDT
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I like my 208gr amax's traveling at about 2800-2900fps... Sorry. 300blk doesn't do that. Out of what a 300WM? |
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Posted: 10/4/2015 11:40:34 PM EDT
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220gr of my own creation. will expand at 750 fps. How many Shekels for the boolits? that's what im working on now.. trying to get the price down to an easy to swallow number. |
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Posted: 10/5/2015 10:16:44 PM EDT
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Also, glad you got better! |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 11:46:57 AM EDT
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ya and you missed out when you were down here. I had 4 boxes set aside for you..  But no! you got wrapped up in seejays wedding..Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did you make more of the subs? http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/daffy_fapping.gif ya and you missed out when you were down here. I had 4 boxes set aside for you.. But no! you got wrapped up in seejays wedding..I ended up staying up here to be with a buddy who had cancer surgery. Maybe work will send me that way soon. Otherwise I'll just have to get em shipped. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 1:31:21 PM EDT
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BSR bullets are Best bullets for this sexy round....
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:36:42 PM EDT
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I was very excited to get a 300 blk until I realized that the excellent ballistic coefficient wouldn't help anything at subsonic velocity you might as well just shoot a hot loaded 45 acp The whole conversation can be reduced to the following: The limiting factor on shooting with a suppressor is the need to keep the ammo velocity subsonic if the ammo is supersonic, it adds a good 20 db of bullet crackling sound to the shot, which defeats the point of shooting with a suppressor subsonic ammunition is limited to the speed of sound (obviously), which is somewhere around 1000 feet per second 1000 fps velocity is what you would call +P level pistol ammo velocity no matter what shape the bullet is, or no matter how heavy it is, you're still limited to a medium to heavy pistol round it's not even a magnum pistol round. a 300 blackout or 308 whiteout or 287 greenout is all the same, it's about as powerful as a nice +P 45 acp round a subsonic 300 blackout is no more magical than a 45 acp round, they are more or less ballistically equivalent a supersonic 300 blackout round is underpowered, it's inferior to the excellent 223 hunting rounds available if you wanted a suppressed hunting rifle, a better choice would be a 308 bolt gun then you could load 240 grain bullets down to 1000 fps for suppressed use and still be able to reach out 600 yards with the full power 168 grain loads |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:38:51 PM EDT
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The whole conversation can be reduced to the following: The limiting factor on shooting with a suppressor is the need to keep the ammo velocity subsonic if the ammo is supersonic, it adds a good 20 db of bullet crackling sound to the shot, which defeats the point of shooting with a suppressor subsonic ammunition is limited to the speed of sound (obviously), which is somewhere around 1000 feet per second 1000 fps velocity is what you would call +P level pistol ammo velocity no matter what shape the bullet is, or no matter how heavy it is, you're still limited to a medium to heavy pistol round it's not even a magnum pistol round. a 300 blackout or 308 whiteout or 287 greenout is all the same, it's about as powerful as a nice +P 45 acp round a subsonic 300 blackout is no more magical than a 45 acp round, they are more or less ballistically equivalent a supersonic 300 blackout round is underpowered, it's inferior to the excellent 223 hunting rounds available if you wanted a suppressed hunting rifle, a better choice would be a 308 bolt gun then you could load 240 grain bullets down to 1000 fps for suppressed use and still be able to reach out 600 yards with the full power 168 grain loads haha .45acp = 300BLKOUT BC how the fuck does it work....
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:40:47 PM EDT
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Glad you are doing better.
Now get to producing the magic bullets! 
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:43:27 PM EDT
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haha .45acp = 300BLKOUT BC how the fuck does it work.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The whole conversation can be reduced to the following: The limiting factor on shooting with a suppressor is the need to keep the ammo velocity subsonic if the ammo is supersonic, it adds a good 20 db of bullet crackling sound to the shot, which defeats the point of shooting with a suppressor subsonic ammunition is limited to the speed of sound (obviously), which is somewhere around 1000 feet per second 1000 fps velocity is what you would call +P level pistol ammo velocity no matter what shape the bullet is, or no matter how heavy it is, you're still limited to a medium to heavy pistol round it's not even a magnum pistol round. a 300 blackout or 308 whiteout or 287 greenout is all the same, it's about as powerful as a nice +P 45 acp round a subsonic 300 blackout is no more magical than a 45 acp round, they are more or less ballistically equivalent a supersonic 300 blackout round is underpowered, it's inferior to the excellent 223 hunting rounds available if you wanted a suppressed hunting rifle, a better choice would be a 308 bolt gun then you could load 240 grain bullets down to 1000 fps for suppressed use and still be able to reach out 600 yards with the full power 168 grain loads haha .45acp = 300BLKOUT BC how the fuck does it work.... you guys spend so much time being an expert about everything that you never learn anything when the bullet is leaving the barrel at 1000 fps, the BC doesn't matter much |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:53:58 PM EDT
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Ballistics Results for 300 blk BC = 0.500
Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils Muzzle 1000 511 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0 25 990 500 2.3 -8.6 -2.5 0 0 0 50 980 490 3.8 -7.2 -2.1 0 0 0 75 971 481 3.1 -3.9 -1.1 0 0 0 100 962 472 0 0 0 0 0 0 125 953 464 -5.4 4.1 1.2 0 0 0 150 944 456 -13.2 8.4 2.4 0 0 0 Ballistics Results for 45 acp BC = 0.200 Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils Muzzle 1000 511 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0 25 975 486 2.4 -9.3 -2.7 0 0 0 50 953 464 4.1 -7.8 -2.3 0 0 0 75 932 444 3.3 -4.2 -1.2 0 0 0 100 913 426 0 0 0 0 0 0 125 895 409 -5.8 4.5 1.3 0 0 0 150 878 394 -14.4 9.2 2.7 0 0 0 At 150 yards, the 45 acp bullet has 6% less velocity, 14% less energy and 1.2 inches more drop than the 300 blackout the 45 acp rises 0.3 inches higher above the line of sight at 50 yards when using a 100 yard zero at 100 yards, the 45 acp is 5% slower than the 300 blk for all practical purposes, the two rounds are equal MATH, HOW DOES IT WORK? The 300 blackout suppresses to around 135 db, same as every other subsonic pistol round The only difference between the 45 acp and 300 blk is the cost, factory ammo for the 300 is twice as expensive there's nothing wrong with the 300 blk, but endless slobbering over it really isn't justified it really doesn't do anything magic the subsonic version is just a +P pistol round and the supersonic version is like a really weak 30-30 load or a real hot 30 M1 carbine load |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:55:18 PM EDT
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Not really, reminds me of .30 carbine.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 4:57:08 PM EDT
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg?
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:16:01 PM EDT
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:25:49 PM EDT
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300 BLK is a cartridge, not a bullet.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:35:47 PM EDT
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300 BLK is a cartridge, not a bullet. A.W.D. not when I load it in my clip it aint |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:57:27 PM EDT
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I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain Minister of misinformation, you are. My suppressed subs are so quiet, it is almost surreal. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 5:59:04 PM EDT
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now everyone is shaking with rage and pain No, I'm pretty sure it is just you. You seem to find alot of petty things to fly into internet rages over. 
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:02:15 PM EDT
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300 BLK is a cartridge, not a bullet. A.W.D. not when I load it in my clip it aint True enough A.W.D. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:04:01 PM EDT
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Ballistics Results for 300 blk BC = 0.500 Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils Muzzle 1000 511 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0 25 990 500 2.3 -8.6 -2.5 0 0 0 50 980 490 3.8 -7.2 -2.1 0 0 0 75 971 481 3.1 -3.9 -1.1 0 0 0 100 962 472 0 0 0 0 0 0 125 953 464 -5.4 4.1 1.2 0 0 0 150 944 456 -13.2 8.4 2.4 0 0 0 Ballistics Results for 45 acp BC = 0.200 Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils Muzzle 1000 511 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0 25 975 486 2.4 -9.3 -2.7 0 0 0 50 953 464 4.1 -7.8 -2.3 0 0 0 75 932 444 3.3 -4.2 -1.2 0 0 0 100 913 426 0 0 0 0 0 0 125 895 409 -5.8 4.5 1.3 0 0 0 150 878 394 -14.4 9.2 2.7 0 0 0 At 150 yards, the 45 acp bullet has 6% less velocity, 14% less energy and 1.2 inches more drop than the 300 blackout the 45 acp rises 0.3 inches higher above the line of sight at 50 yards when using a 100 yard zero at 100 yards, the 45 acp is 5% slower than the 300 blk for all practical purposes, the two rounds are equal MATH, HOW DOES IT WORK? The 300 blackout suppresses to around 135 db, same as every other subsonic pistol round The only difference between the 45 acp and 300 blk is the cost, factory ammo for the 300 is twice as expensive there's nothing wrong with the 300 blk, but endless slobbering over it really isn't justified it really doesn't do anything magic the subsonic version is just a +P pistol round and the supersonic version is like a really weak 30-30 load or a real hot 30 M1 carbine load Do you even shoot at night bro? Night vision, suppressors, ir lasers, and subsonic 300BLK are an awesome combo. Have you ever hunted at night with 300BLK? I think not. If you had, you might comprehend one of the reasons 300BLK is useful. Works great on coyotes out of an 8" barrel, and I had a .223 sbr that was too loud so all I needed was a new barrel. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:06:50 PM EDT
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I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain I no expert, but I bet the sectional density is much higher with .300 BLK and will therefore penetrate much better. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:11:39 PM EDT
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I know there are a lot of night time hog hunters on Arfcom, and I'm not sure how sub-sonic 300BLK would do on something that large, but all the coyotes I've nailed were one shot drops, so I'm happy with the cartridge, even though I've been told in this thread that I should hate it.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:17:03 PM EDT
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I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain How dare you interject facts and data into a Fat_McNasty GD shill thread. He's trying to sell bullets! |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:18:14 PM EDT
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How dare you interject facts and data into a Fat_McNasty GD shill thread. He's trying to sell bullets! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain How dare you interject facts and data into a Fat_McNasty GD shill thread. He's trying to sell bullets! Disputing things no one here actually said is interjecting facts now? |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:22:22 PM EDT
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain How dare you interject facts and data into a Fat_McNasty GD shill thread. He's trying to sell bullets! Disputing things no one here actually said is interjecting facts now? There's a disconnect between reality and perception with this cartridge. The numbers break down the same for the effective range of both cartridges with the caveat being that F_M isn't going to gain much traction pimping "sexy" .45ACPs here in GD. I admire his entrepreneurial spirit but he should be sent packing to shill his wares in the EE. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:22:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:28:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember when word got out that Fatnasty got sick. Bad times. News that the leading innovator of everything .300 blk. was down. Good to hear that things are looking up and here's to continued improved health. QFT. Mr Fat_McNasty is back.  |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:32:56 PM EDT
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Ballistics Results for 300 blk BC = 0.500 Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils Muzzle 1000 511 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0 25 990 500 2.3 -8.6 -2.5 0 0 0 50 980 490 3.8 -7.2 -2.1 0 0 0 75 971 481 3.1 -3.9 -1.1 0 0 0 100 962 472 0 0 0 0 0 0 125 953 464 -5.4 4.1 1.2 0 0 0 150 944 456 -13.2 8.4 2.4 0 0 0 Ballistics Results for 45 acp BC = 0.200 Range (yards) Velocity (fps) Energy (ft.-lb.) Trajectory (in) Come UP in MOA Come UP in Mils Wind Drift (in) Wind Drift in MOA Wind Drift in Mils Muzzle 1000 511 -1.5 0 0 0 0 0 25 975 486 2.4 -9.3 -2.7 0 0 0 50 953 464 4.1 -7.8 -2.3 0 0 0 75 932 444 3.3 -4.2 -1.2 0 0 0 100 913 426 0 0 0 0 0 0 125 895 409 -5.8 4.5 1.3 0 0 0 150 878 394 -14.4 9.2 2.7 0 0 0 At 150 yards, the 45 acp bullet has 6% less velocity, 14% less energy and 1.2 inches more drop than the 300 blackout the 45 acp rises 0.3 inches higher above the line of sight at 50 yards when using a 100 yard zero at 100 yards, the 45 acp is 5% slower than the 300 blk for all practical purposes, the two rounds are equal MATH, HOW DOES IT WORK? The 300 blackout suppresses to around 135 db, same as every other subsonic pistol round The only difference between the 45 acp and 300 blk is the cost, factory ammo for the 300 is twice as expensive there's nothing wrong with the 300 blk, but endless slobbering over it really isn't justified it really doesn't do anything magic the subsonic version is just a +P pistol round and the supersonic version is like a really weak 30-30 load or a real hot 30 M1 carbine load Ballistic Coefficient is the Joke...because the round is so versatile if you reload it.... you also have to add... sectional density terminal performance bullet performance in game etc..etc and us "Experts" don't limit our selves to factory loaded ammo I get a rifle that gives me great versatility out of an easy to shoot and maintain platform but go on and keep up with the hate... |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:33:59 PM EDT
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I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain a 31 shot 30-30 with great performing bullets
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:39:33 PM EDT
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There's a disconnect between reality and perception with this cartridge. The numbers break down the same for the effective range of both cartridges with the caveat being that F_M isn't going to gain much traction pimping "sexy" .45ACPs here in GD. I admire his entrepreneurial spirit but he should be sent packing to shill his wares in the EE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't you have some dirty license plates to report, Cyborg? I don't report them those bad apples know who they are here's the big problem that I have: everyone was talking and talking about their 300 blackout, how magical it is so I looked up the actual stats for the round and I saw that it was not magical it doesn't suppress "quiet as a typewriter", it suppresses "quiet as a loud chainsaw" it doesn't penetrate to the core of the earth after circling the globe 5 times, it's ballistically equal to a 45 acp round or it can be hot-rodded to a really sucky version of a 30-30 now everyone is shaking with rage and pain How dare you interject facts and data into a Fat_McNasty GD shill thread. He's trying to sell bullets! Disputing things no one here actually said is interjecting facts now? There's a disconnect between reality and perception with this cartridge. The numbers break down the same for the effective range of both cartridges with the caveat being that F_M isn't going to gain much traction pimping "sexy" .45ACPs here in GD. I admire his entrepreneurial spirit but he should be sent packing to shill his wares in the EE. There's no disconnect for people who enjoy using this cartridge within it's capabilities and who like to experiment with reloading this very versatile round. What I do see in this thread, are retarded rants and strawman arguments pooped out by people that don't have much experience using the round. I also like to see the innovation and evolution from members that are improving the capabilities of the bullets available (sub-sonic expanding .30 cal bullets are neat). Your posts in this thread are just negative and a little bit nasty, and are of 0 value. I'm not sure why you would even bother posting in this thread other then you felt like trolling a certain member, for whatever lame reason. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:51:27 PM EDT
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300 Blackout can do everything.....unfortunately it is not very good at anything.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 6:54:28 PM EDT
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If he's going to offer his product, the least he could do, is do it in the correct manner. He's trying to drum up business, but vieled advertising is just that.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:14:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:21:17 PM EDT
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300 Blackout can do everything.....unfortunately it is not very good at anything. I had a 300 BLK AR-15, but quickly figured out that it is really just a gimmick. I would rather have a few different weapons that perform their particular role very well. The real question is whether it can do it 'well enough' for >95% of the populace. And that is where it is for me. Due to cervical vertebrae problems from pulling on those bariatric/morbid obese patients(aka land whales) for 20 years, I no longer can handle the recoil from a 12GA shotgun. This opened my eyes that a 12GA shotgun isn't the best thing for HD/SD but the AR platform is. I've got an 8.5" Sig braced AR pistol for that duty now. I'm getting a suppressor for it also. There are other calibers that are compromises also, something I just ran across and am now building my second one is a .277 Wolverine which is best described as a 6.5mm SPC Kurz. Out to 300 meters, it will do most all that a 6.8SPC II can do but does it with standard components. Which means all I do is change out the upper and I'm there. Doesn't throw as heavy a bullet subsonic nor does Mr. Fat_McNasty make bullets for that caliber but it works. Yeah, it is a compromise but one that I'm willing to accept in that I get 'good enough' down range super sonic ballistics for what I do anymore without having to invest in different bolts and mags. I've got the .300 BLK for subsonics/suppressed and HD/SD; and the .277 WLV for supersonic hunting. One of the interesting things I ran across was the # of hunters in north west Louisiana that now hunt with a .300 BLK AR pistol with subsonic ammo. I don't know your needs and setup; maybe the .300 BLK doesn't fit with what you do. But it is 'good enough' for me & a bunch of other people. 
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:24:08 PM EDT
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Just like grampa's old 30-30. This is a great idea. While the 30-30 can't replace the 300 BO in an AR SBR , the 300 BO would be a great lever gun cartridge to replace the 30-30. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:24:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:28:17 PM EDT
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I wanted to hunt with an AR, 300 BLK was more intriguing than 6.8SPC. So I built one.
Thinking about a 25-45 Sharps next.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:40:44 PM EDT
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Everything in life is a compromise. Someone can sharp shoot any of your decisions decrying them as 'a compromise & there are better for that role'. Then there is the typical libtard tactic of throwing out wild ass scenarios of high improbability/possibility just as straw man argument. The real question is whether it can do it 'well enough' for >95% of the populace. And that is where it is for me. Due to cervical vertebrae problems from pulling on those bariatric/morbid obese patients(aka land whales) for 20 years, I no longer can handle the recoil from a 12GA shotgun. This opened my eyes that a 12GA shotgun isn't the best thing for HD/SD but the AR platform is. I've got an 8.5" Sig braced AR pistol for that duty now. I'm getting a suppressor for it also. There are other calibers that are compromises also, something I just ran across and am now building my second one is a .277 Wolverine which is best described as a 6.5mm SPC Kurz. Out to 300 meters, it will do most all that a 6.8SPC II can do but does it with standard components. Which means all I do is change out the upper and I'm there. Doesn't throw as heavy a bullet subsonic nor does Mr. Fat_McNasty make bullets for that caliber but it works. Yeah, it is a compromise but one that I'm willing to accept in that I get 'good enough' down range super sonic ballistics for what I do anymore without having to invest in different bolts and mags. I've got the .300 BLK for subsonics/suppressed and HD/SD; and the .277 WLV for supersonic hunting. One of the interesting things I ran across was the # of hunters in north west Louisiana that now hunt with a .300 BLK AR pistol with subsonic ammo. I don't know your needs and setup; maybe the .300 BLK doesn't fit with what you do. But it is 'good enough' for me & a bunch of other people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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300 Blackout can do everything.....unfortunately it is not very good at anything. I had a 300 BLK AR-15, but quickly figured out that it is really just a gimmick. I would rather have a few different weapons that perform their particular role very well. The real question is whether it can do it 'well enough' for >95% of the populace. And that is where it is for me. Due to cervical vertebrae problems from pulling on those bariatric/morbid obese patients(aka land whales) for 20 years, I no longer can handle the recoil from a 12GA shotgun. This opened my eyes that a 12GA shotgun isn't the best thing for HD/SD but the AR platform is. I've got an 8.5" Sig braced AR pistol for that duty now. I'm getting a suppressor for it also. There are other calibers that are compromises also, something I just ran across and am now building my second one is a .277 Wolverine which is best described as a 6.5mm SPC Kurz. Out to 300 meters, it will do most all that a 6.8SPC II can do but does it with standard components. Which means all I do is change out the upper and I'm there. Doesn't throw as heavy a bullet subsonic nor does Mr. Fat_McNasty make bullets for that caliber but it works. Yeah, it is a compromise but one that I'm willing to accept in that I get 'good enough' down range super sonic ballistics for what I do anymore without having to invest in different bolts and mags. I've got the .300 BLK for subsonics/suppressed and HD/SD; and the .277 WLV for supersonic hunting. One of the interesting things I ran across was the # of hunters in north west Louisiana that now hunt with a .300 BLK AR pistol with subsonic ammo. I don't know your needs and setup; maybe the .300 BLK doesn't fit with what you do. But it is 'good enough' for me & a bunch of other people. You really should not be posting in GD, as your response is well thought out and rational. I agree that everything is a compromise, and I do mean everything. However my point is that 300 BLK is just too much of a compromise, and the libtard ridiculous scenario is usually applied in favor of the 300 BLK. If you could only have one rifle, a 300 BLK AR-15 would probably be one of the best choices, but that is not very realistic. I can appreciate that you are employing it, but I feel there are better solution in most scenarios. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 7:44:14 PM EDT
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.300 BLK is basically an MP5SD and a Krinkov in the same package; but with AR modularity and ergos - and you can switch between the two with nothing more than a mag change. That's the glory of it.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:16:19 PM EDT
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If he's going to offer his product, the least he could do, is do it in the correct manner. He's trying to drum up business, but vieled advertising is just that. If he's going to discuss the technical merits of the round versus shilling then there's other forums for that but it's difficult to quantify "sexy" in a tech forum. he doesn't sell bullets anymore... ITAR fees are a bitch |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:36:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: I mean, can you really argue with something this Yummy in looks! http://i1370.photobucket.com/albums/ag263/Bsr_Bullets/IMG_1341_zpsqadtsg2s.jpg Now THIS is yummy.  Please start making loads for the 458 |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:41:01 PM EDT
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Mass produce please. |
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Posted: 10/6/2015 8:55:14 PM EDT
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In this thread we find those who neither SBR nor suppress.
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Posted: 10/6/2015 9:41:43 PM EDT
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I dabble in some NFA. Just think there are much better options out there. If you want to go supersonic, 6.8, Grendel, and wolverine are better. If you want to shoot subs there are better options in PCCs with cheaper plinking and HP (that is actually designed to perform at sub velocities) ammo off the shelf. Smaller sbr packages in the PCCs too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I find it boring You probably don't NFA bro. I thought it was a fad caliber back when I thought cans and SBRs were overrated. My next build is a 9 or 10 inch .300 Blackout upper. (Hopefully put a 3rd form 1 in sometime in the future for a dedicated lower.) I already put a Dead Air Armament Sandman L in jail just for it. I dabble in some NFA. Just think there are much better options out there. If you want to go supersonic, 6.8, Grendel, and wolverine are better. If you want to shoot subs there are better options in PCCs with cheaper plinking and HP (that is actually designed to perform at sub velocities) ammo off the shelf. Smaller sbr packages in the PCCs too. This is certainly true. I have 9mm ARs and 5.56 ARs. However, nothing does both jobs as well. In short, the 300 BO is a 45 ACP and a 7.62x39 in one. |
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