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Posted: 6/14/2022 10:47:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We lost the Tom Miner bridge earlier today.  https://patch.com/montana/across-mt/video-shows-yellowstone-bridge-washed-away-amid-record-flooding @Third_Rail did you see the video of the house fall in at Gardiner and later hit the bridge at Corwin Springs? |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 10:55:21 AM EDT
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Those houses in Gardiner were built way too close to the river, and it was just a matter of time.
Those V-shaped river channels don't have a lot of room for the water to spread out. Double the volume in the river, and it'll be almost twice as high. It ain't rocket science..... |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:06:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have two co workers with places in RL. One has water in his basement, not sure about the other. Not sure if this will play for the people without FB but its an amazing video. https://fb.watch/dEfBwj9AKE/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Flooding is insane right now in Montana. The rain is doing wonders for my place, but some of this is heartbreaking. A bunch of guys were gone from work today to help family with houses or cabins that were in danger. I have two co workers with places in RL. One has water in his basement, not sure about the other. Not sure if this will play for the people without FB but its an amazing video. https://fb.watch/dEfBwj9AKE/ When I was there in RL drilling water wells . 2 a day. Water at 16' |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:11:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Third_Rail did you see the video of the house fall in at Gardiner and later hit the bridge at Corwin Springs? I haven't.... 
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:12:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those houses in Gardiner were built way too close to the river, and it was just a matter of time. Those V-shaped river channels don't have a lot of room for the water to spread out. Double the volume in the river, and it'll be almost twice as high. It ain't rocket science..... I hope it starts to recede soon. Gardiner is surrounded by water and the water main has broken, so they are in a mess. Silver Gate and Cooke City are surrounded by water and isolated from each other. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:14:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Third_Rail did you see the video of the house fall in at Gardiner and later hit the bridge at Corwin Springs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We lost the Tom Miner bridge earlier today. https://patch.com/montana/across-mt/video-shows-yellowstone-bridge-washed-away-amid-record-flooding @Third_Rail did you see the video of the house fall in at Gardiner and later hit the bridge at Corwin Springs? I didn't! That sounds awful. I hope the folks weren't home for it. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:15:30 AM EDT
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Welp...crap. Have reservations at Canyon Campground from June 25th to 30th, gonna have to see what happens.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:22:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't! That sounds awful. I hope the folks weren't home for it. You're about to lose the bridge at Point of Rocks. River cut the road in two right at the bridgehead. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:28:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're about to lose the bridge at Point of Rocks. River cut the road in two right at the bridgehead. We're looking at losing a lot of bridges and stretches of road. It's a mess and more water is forecast.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:28:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Welp...crap. Have reservations at Canyon Campground from June 25th to 30th, gonna have to see what happens. I'm gonna say that there won't be any campgrounds or hotels open even in the southern loop of the park for weeks, possibly months. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:33:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm gonna say that there won't be any campgrounds or hotels open even in the southern loop of the park for weeks, possibly months. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Welp...crap. Have reservations at Canyon Campground from June 25th to 30th, gonna have to see what happens. I'm gonna say that there won't be any campgrounds or hotels open even in the southern loop of the park for weeks, possibly months. I have the distinct impression that people aren't yet grasping the magnitude of this situation. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:33:52 AM EDT
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We have an airBnB booked near Cody for the second week in August. Will be watching this with interest. If you own property that is affected, put your insurance carrier on notice.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:34:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @RikWriter When is it supposed to crest? I'm hearing 50,000 cfs. My friends in the area are having a hell of a time. I know my little corner of the world in Paradise Valley is a mess. They are concerned about the bridges from Gardiner to Big Timber. (Edit: bridge on hwy 89 at point of rocks cut off and undermined) I'm afraid there Will be more.. Lots of lives and business disrupted by this. I just booked my car yesterday for 17 days in paradise valley. I just hope I can drive into the valley in August. There's supposed to be more rain in the next couple of days, though not nearly as heavy. I think by August, you may be able to get into the Paradise Valley. Everything is just fucked in Cooke City, Silver Gate and Gardiner, though. I would be shocked if it's even possible to reach Cooke City or Silver Gate by road for months. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:34:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have res at a Cody campground for 6 days over July 4 holiday. Been looking for another campground on west side after that. Wife said she read Yellowstone was closing for the season! Can anybody confirm? I guess we’ll be making changes in our itinerary. @evofxdwg Spoke to my friend in Cody. Did not sound bad there. While u are in Cody check out the firearms museam. Rodeo is a big deal that weekend if u didn’t already know.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:36:06 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We have an airBnB booked near Cody for the second week in August. Will be watching this with interest. If you own property that is affected, put your insurance carrier on notice. Cody is fine. Just don't expect to go beyond Norris Junction in the park, even by August. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 11:50:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The continental divide says no. The continental divide does cross Yellowstone NP, but it seems like the heaviest rain is on the north side which ultimately drains east. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 12:45:32 PM EDT
[#17]
Handy website. https://water.weather.gov/ahps/forecasts.php
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Posted: 6/14/2022 12:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The continental divide does cross Yellowstone NP, but it seems like the heaviest rain is on the north side which ultimately drains east. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The continental divide says no. The continental divide does cross Yellowstone NP, but it seems like the heaviest rain is on the north side which ultimately drains east. The Dutton's and some dynamite can fix that. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 1:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Will any of this reach the Colorado river basin? Powell and Meade sure could use it. The continental divide runs through Yellowstone. All the flooding you are seeing here drains into the Yellowstone, which drains to the Missouri, which drains to the Mississippi, which drains to the Gulf of Mexico. So no, none will reach where all those people built cities out in the desert. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 1:02:30 PM EDT
[#20]
If it keeps fat, pasty tourists out we all win.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 1:03:50 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One things for sure, I damn sure wouldn’t be driving up Firehole Canyon Road with those water levels, just to get video footage. That road is sketchy AF in a couple areas and wayyy down if that road gives way Quote HistoryQuoted: One things for sure, I damn sure wouldn’t be driving up Firehole Canyon Road with those water levels, just to get video footage. That road is sketchy AF in a couple areas and wayyy down if that road gives way IMO, that road is so high up for the majority of it, the river would have to rise to insane, Noah type levels to realistically cause that sort of a worry I was there last year, along with a number of other parks, and bemoaned the fact that so many of the landscape shots i wanted to take at a number of places were less than spectacular, almost to the point of being worthless, because of how smoky it was. At least the waterfall shots i got were pretty good. I have a number of the Firehole. The water level, while not crazy, is significantly higher in that video. What was more surprising to me was just how flooded out Madison Junction is. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 1:15:14 PM EDT
[#22]
Flying pig rafting in Gardiner us seeming optimistic that they will be back up and running end of June.
Hope that's the case, but after watching the videos..... I'm thinking not |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 1:20:00 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wondering if Lake Meade, will get any of that runoff? All this water is headed to the Gulf of Mexico. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 1:29:27 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have the distinct impression that people aren't yet grasping the magnitude of this situation. 100% correct. I lived year round in Yellowstone Park for 12 years. All the logistical support for all the lodges are based out of Gardiner. All the food comes from Gardiner. All the linen/laundry comes from Gardiner. That road is gone. It will not be open again ion weeks, or months. Then there is the missing stretch of road from Tower to the NE entrance. I have not seen pics but I have heard there is now a stretch of road gone south of Canyon in Hayden Valley. The incredibly short roadwork season, combined with all the planning and environmental impact assessments, I doubt those roads will be operational by this time next year. It is a crazy bad deal. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 1:33:10 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 100% correct. I lived year round in Yellowstone Park for 12 years. All the logistical support for all the lodges are based out of Gardiner. All the food comes from Gardiner. All the linen/laundry comes from Gardiner. That road is gone. It will not be open again ion weeks, or months. Then there is the missing stretch of road from Tower to the NE entrance. I have not seen pics but I have heard there is now a stretch of road gone south of Canyon in Hayden Valley. The incredibly short roadwork season, combined with all the planning and environmental impact assessments, I doubt those roads will be operational by this time next year. It is a crazy bad deal. I've only heard that there was a danger of a washout on the road down by Canyon Junction, not that it had actually been damaged. Haven't heard of anything in the Hayden. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 3:14:52 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've only heard that there was a danger of a washout on the road down by Canyon Junction, not that it had actually been damaged. Haven't heard of anything in the Hayden. I saw a picture last night that was in Hayden Valley that showed part of the road underwater. While it's impossible to tell what's going on under the surface, it didn't look nearly like the type of situation that leads to severe erosion like we've seen in the photos/videos from 212 and 89 on the Soda Butte, Lamar and Yellowstone. Can't find that photo now, but it was more of a standing water scenario than a raging torrent. I saw a picture near the picnic area on Soda Butte creek that made me shake my head because i was eating lunch there with my family about a year ago in the same location. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 3:34:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a picture last night that was in Hayden Valley that showed part of the road underwater. While it's impossible to tell what's going on under the surface, it didn't look nearly like the type of situation that leads to severe erosion like we've seen in the photos/videos from 212 and 89 on the Soda Butte, Lamar and Yellowstone. Can't find that photo now, but it was more of a standing water scenario than a raging torrent. I saw a picture near the picnic area on Soda Butte creek that made me shake my head because i was eating lunch there with my family about a year ago in the same location. Oh yeah, there's definitely flooding all along the river, just no road washouts. The only problem I'd heard about that road was either a mudslide or rockslide own near Canyon Junction. I've heard that the NPS is going to reopen the southern loop in something like 5-7 days, but they'll be controlling the number of people they let in that way and there'll be no services whatsoever. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 4:51:00 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a picture last night that was in Hayden Valley that showed part of the road underwater. While it's impossible to tell what's going on under the surface, it didn't look nearly like the type of situation that leads to severe erosion like we've seen in the photos/videos from 212 and 89 on the Soda Butte, Lamar and Yellowstone. Can't find that photo now, but it was more of a standing water scenario than a raging torrent. I saw a picture near the picnic area on Soda Butte creek that made me shake my head because i was eating lunch there with my family about a year ago in the same location. I didn't see the picture you're referring to but that makes sense. There is a section of road in Hayden near the river and its pretty low and not built up on much of a road base. The river is shallow and straight there cause I've seen bison fording it with calves. I could see the river up out of the bank there and washing over that section of road without ripping it apart. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 5:07:12 PM EDT
[#29]
 Rock Creek Flood Event in Red Lodge, Montana June 13, 2022  Devastation From Rock Creek Flood Event in Red Lodge, Montana - 4K - 6/14/22 |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 5:12:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Almost had a drone to drone midair at 2:53 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idUuWdbbHv4 |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 5:14:35 PM EDT
[#31]
The little one lane gravel road north out of Mammoth to Gardiner will be getting a workout in the coming months. As much damage as the main road looks to have it will be months if not years before that is passable again.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 5:43:53 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The little one lane gravel road north out of Mammoth to Gardiner will be getting a workout in the coming months. As much damage as the main road looks to have it will be months if not years before that is passable again. State of Alaska ain't to bad either. Will be interesting new channels on the rivers. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 5:52:18 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The little one lane gravel road north out of Mammoth to Gardiner will be getting a workout in the coming months. As much damage as the main road looks to have it will be months if not years before that is passable again. Whatever they do, there will need to be a road to Cooke City etc because in the winter it is the only way to get in or out of that area. The road long the north part of the park is the one open all winter for that reason. IT would not surprise me if they build a new road along that old dirt road. It was, after all, the original entrance road into the park. Fixing that area along the Gardiner River is going to be a major undertaking. As to that house that fell into the river it was originally quite a distance from the river bank. There is a campground along the river there too. That has been evacuated too. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 6:13:13 PM EDT
[#34]
So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"?
I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 6:15:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. Closed means closed. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 6:27:57 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. Backpacking in the rain? 
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Posted: 6/14/2022 6:57:17 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. hello Lewis and/or Clark |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 6:59:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever they do, there will need to be a road to Cooke City etc because in the winter it is the only way to get in or out of that area. The road long the north part of the park is the one open all winter for that reason. IT would not surprise me if they build a new road along that old dirt road. It was, after all, the original entrance road into the park. Fixing that area along the Gardiner River is going to be a major undertaking. As to that house that fell into the river it was originally quite a distance from the river bank. There is a campground along the river there too. That has been evacuated too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The little one lane gravel road north out of Mammoth to Gardiner will be getting a workout in the coming months. As much damage as the main road looks to have it will be months if not years before that is passable again. Whatever they do, there will need to be a road to Cooke City etc because in the winter it is the only way to get in or out of that area. The road long the north part of the park is the one open all winter for that reason. IT would not surprise me if they build a new road along that old dirt road. It was, after all, the original entrance road into the park. Fixing that area along the Gardiner River is going to be a major undertaking. As to that house that fell into the river it was originally quite a distance from the river bank. There is a campground along the river there too. That has been evacuated too. Is that the road that goes up to the cell tower now? |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:03:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. You're going to have to wait until they open the east, west and/or south entrances. Should be between 5 days to a week. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:09:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. YNP is basically just a big ass square, there are a number of public roads that go near the square and it’s not like there’s a big fence around it all. That said by the time you could get anywhere of note on foot, they’ll probably have at least a few of the 5 majors entrances open. If you want to see Yellowstone without any people go in late September. The weather is better than summer and if you get a little lucky you can almost have the park to yourself. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:10:52 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: YNP is basically just a big ass square, there are a number of public roads that go near the square and it’s not like there’s a big fence around it all. That said by the time you could get anywhere of note on foot, they’ll probably have at least a few of the 5 majors entrances open. If you want to see Yellowstone without any people go in late September. The weather is better than summer and if you get a little lucky you can almost have the park to yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. YNP is basically just a big ass square, there are a number of public roads that go near the square and it’s not like there’s a big fence around it all. That said by the time you could get anywhere of note on foot, they’ll probably have at least a few of the 5 majors entrances open. If you want to see Yellowstone without any people go in late September. The weather is better than summer and if you get a little lucky you can almost have the park to yourself. This year you should certainly be able to, since most people who had booked visits will be cancelling them. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:11:28 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. I’m sure you could go backpacking in Gallatin NF and “get lost.” There aren’t fences around the park, and it’s pretty remote. It actually seems like it could be a cool adventure, not that I would condone suck destructive lawbreaking. 
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:19:17 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that the road that goes up to the cell tower now? Just search for Old Gardiner Road on google earth. The cell tower road is west of it a few hundred yards |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:33:06 PM EDT
[#44]
Serious question, after this event, is most of Montana and Wyoming still in a drought status?
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:38:08 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So is there a way to backpack into the park, without going through an "entrance"? I'd like to get in there while there's almost no people there. There are quite a few trails that start outside the park boundary. Example would be the Eagle Creek pack trail on the east side. I haven't looked at the closure orders to see if they affect trails, or just the entrance roads. So maybe it would be OK to backpack in. BUT most of those trails are in creek bottoms and have bridges, so I wouldn't recommend it. There are plenty of other places to go hiking that will be drier. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:41:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m sure you could go backpacking in Gallatin NF and “get lost.” There aren’t fences around the park, and it’s pretty remote. It actually seems like it could be a cool adventure, not that I would condone suck destructive lawbreaking. You could hike down the raft ramp in Gardiner and wade the Gardiner River at the confluence of the Yellowstone. Hump it up and over that hill and walk across that flat to the rescue creek trail parking lot. They would probably find you twisted up in a treetop against a bridge piling down at Emigrant or Mill Creek. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:42:06 PM EDT
[#47]
We just got back from there. Totally bananas! It did rain/snow on us the whole time we were there though. We flew to SLC and rented an SUV to make the rounds then back.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 7:43:02 PM EDT
[#48]
I just saw it's now snowing in Yellowstone.
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Posted: 6/14/2022 8:03:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, after this event, is most of Montana and Wyoming still in a drought status? Southern Wyoming is. I doubt Montana is. |
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Posted: 6/14/2022 8:20:38 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Serious question, after this event, is most of Montana and Wyoming still in a drought status? Yes. https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap/StateDroughtMonitor.aspx?MT A lot of the water came in over a week ago and that data is from the 7th. |
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